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#1 grg

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 12:35

where do you start from ..

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#2 GTX

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 14:46

Some people simply can't apreciate what they have...
First of all you have Martin, someone that trully knows what is going on (at least most of the time), you have Martin's grid walkabout, you have people that KNOW what they say and that are actually there, you have drivers talking to ITV live, you have a channel that trully coverts live the event and many many more that I'm simply not gonna bother to write about. I've lived in the UK for 7 years where I learned to love the sport through Murray and Martin, during the last year I came back to my home country, Greece. Here the channel that covers f1 has two presenters that have probably never attended a Grand prix, that know about 1/1000 of what Martin knows about the sport and most of the time you simply want to mute the TV not to hear the stupidities they dare to say!
So how about that?
Do you still want to comment on a few mistakes the ITV presenters did? or about the commercial brakes that cannot be avoided? Or about the time when they had to interrupt the scrap between alonso and shoumi to show the commercails that were unavoidable again!

I don't see any point in continuing this thread unless there is someone wanting to comment on the excelent (as I hear) coverage of CBS in the states ;)

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 15:07

And as someone who has just moved to the UK from Australia, I must also add that the ITV coverage is excellent!

In Australia we have ad breaks but don't miss any of the race, however it is no consolation compared to watching it live. They take ITV commentary, but don't show any of the ITV race build up, interviews or Martin's grid walk or post race analysis. In Australia we only ever see qualifying during the first race of the year. All the European races started at 10:30-11:30pm on Sunday night.

For the first time ever this year I was able to watch the race and simultaneously watch live timing on formula1.com too.

This weekend I think I might even listen to the BBC radio commentary to see what it is like!

#4 grg

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 15:08

Dear GTX,

IS IT NOT TRUE THEN, THAT IN GREECE THEY SHOW PRACTICE SESSIONS LIVE ???????

sorry for shouting, but the F1 audience in this country is as much as the population
of Greece.

At the moment ITV has 3 channels from which 2 are being used to advertise itv1
most of the time

I agree that Martin and the others add value but the problem does not seem to lie with them.

They have openly expressed their frustration about their airtime and advtrs before.

the thread's subject is ITV not Martin

#5 Paul Parker

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 15:46

While we are on the subject of ITV's F1 coverage thus.

How about the filler from MB that discusses how similar current F1 cars are physically and how you could not tell them apart sans paint and sponsors decals. To illustrate how things have changed MB describes how different cars were in the 1950s, the only problem being that the film used is of the 1938 Tripoli GP and shows Mercedes Benz W154s.

I have seen this twice now. There can be no excuse and this is what happens when you have a specialist subject being at leastly partly controlled by persons who have no idea what they are looking at. It reminds of the way that latter day motoring magazines are written, tabloid style, with short sentences, inappropriate use of inadequate adjectives, as few words as possible and aimed at 14 year olds.

For goodness sake its simple enough. Surely ITV can conjure some 1950s GP footage without breaking the bank or infringing some poxy copyright.

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 15:58

Did anyone else get slightly upset when ITV mentioned the vote on what qualifying should be next year, but instead of giving directions to the FIA website, where they could vote for FREE, they gave out two PREMIUM RATE phone numbers and asked the viewers to call to vote.

Also the Jenson Button fanboyism has got out of hand. And they said during the British Grand Prix that Alonso would be the fans second favourite driver, behind Button - WHAT ABOUT COULTHARD!

I know we could have it worse, but we could have it so, so much better.

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 16:02

Originally posted by grg
Dear GTX,

IS IT NOT TRUE THEN, THAT IN GREECE THEY SHOW PRACTICE SESSIONS LIVE ???????


Lucky Greece


sorry for shouting,


Thats alright


but the F1 audience in this country is as much as the population of Greece.


So?


At the moment ITV has 3 channels from which 2 are being used to advertise itv1
most of the time.


And?


I agree that Martin and the others add value but the problem does not seem to lie with them.


Martin Brundle is fantastic, James Allen I could take or leave.


They have openly expressed their frustration about their airtime and advtrs before.


Indeed they have.


the thread's subject is ITV not Martin


We already have several threads about ITV's coverage of F1. Are you saying you would like ITV to cover practice live. Is that it? Or should the Greeks not be allowed to watch F1?

I'm a bit confused you see.

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 16:02

I get both the ITV and Star Sports feeds here in Malaysia, usually both live. I choose the ITV feed EASILY over the star sports coverage. Sometimes i've watched the race live on the ITV feed and then later bits on Star Sports and just say THANK YOU to the local channel that shows the ITV feed - the commentators are SO much better.

ITV is good :up: - maybe the ads aren't over there... here we get really short ad breaks, not in sync with ITV.

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 16:25

zac510 have to agree with you there. Been living out in aus for the last 3 years & am so pleased to no longer have to put up with Bill Woods & some bloody touring car driver & his "expert analysis". Honestly, I am so relieved to be back to ITV, although still long for the sky digital days & John Watson.

With the aussie commentary it's hilarious how offended they get whenever Martin or James makes a negative remark about Webber. They spend about 10 mins in the race analysis going on about how wrong they were & how Webber is the second coming. Forget about the race winner, lets blab on about how great Webber is.

Mind you, ITV's Jenson bias is beginning to get very annoying!

Stop being whingeing Pom's, it could be a lot worse...

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 16:27

Originally posted by jonb1

Stop being whingeing Pom's, it could be a lot worse...


Exactly.

You guys need to watch just ONE broadcast from America - CBS is worst, but Speed will do - and you'll never cut down James Allen again.

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 16:35

Wow - how positive. The message seems to be "your's may be shit, but our is (considerably) more shit, so just put up with it, and don't strive for better".

That is a rather strange attitude. I am sorry to hear so much of the world's coverage is even worse than our own - but really, week after week of that **** Allen and that c*nt Rosenthal is NOT good enough, irrespective of their counterparts in other countries.

Sure, Martin Brundle (All hail Martin! All hail Martin!) is absolutely superb, but that does not excuse the rest of the whole sorry affair. ITV may be the "best", but the best still needs to get a whole lot better.

(And if that means the tragic death of Allen or Rosenthal, so be it!)

#12 grg

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 16:37

am respectfully replying to BorderReiver

1. Lucky greece indeed

2. --- but the F1 audience in this country is as much as the population of Greece. ---

= SO ?? It means that there should be no comparison between our expectations in the UK
and whatever happens in greece - i mean: here we should have 1st class /extended /
uninterrupted coverage/ pit walks / the dogs bollocks. If the greek tv channel can afford such extra features - then what abt here with all that audience/market to exploit ???

3. --- At the moment ITV has 3 channels from which 2 are being used to advertise itv1
most of the time.---

=THEY COULD use them to respect the abovementioned FACT

4. --- grg: They have openly expressed their frustration about their airtime and advtrs before.
BR: Indeed they have. ---

= am hearing they have some new tv programe director this year ?

5. you do not have to participate in this thread if you do not wish. However, in order to
ease your confusion, I am saying that F1 is a weekend event and not a race and this is not
beeing reflected by the coverage at the moment at all. There is a number of extra features
that could be spread across the itv network to come up to standard.

#13 GTX

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 18:48

Originally posted by grg
Dear GTX,

IS IT NOT TRUE THEN, THAT IN GREECE THEY SHOW PRACTICE SESSIONS LIVE ???????

sorry for shouting, but the F1 audience in this country is as much as the population
of Greece.

At the moment ITV has 3 channels from which 2 are being used to advertise itv1
most of the time

I agree that Martin and the others add value but the problem does not seem to lie with them.

They have openly expressed their frustration about their airtime and advtrs before.

the thread's subject is ITV not Martin


Sorry to disapoint you mate but the only live thing they show is the race. I would much prefer they showed live the quali and not show the practice at all, I wouldn't have to hide from my pc before each quali not to be tempted to see what happened. Also mind you they have only showed the practice for the last two grand prix.

Wow - how positive. The message seems to be "your's may be shit, but our is (considerably) more shit, so just put up with it, and don't strive for better".



No one said that, but imagine how frustrating it is for us to hear you whine about how poor the coverage of ITV is. Just imagine it please, that you have to sit every race weekend to listen to a bunch of loosers describe the race without having any clue about what is going on because they simply are in a studio watching the same thing as us (note here that it is a proven fact that they are not even aware of live timing!!!) Now I am asking you what would you think of people slagging off ITV if your only choice was this kind of coverage?

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 19:36

Originally posted by GTX


Sorry to disapoint you mate but the only live thing they show is the race. I would much prefer they showed live the quali and not show the practice at all, I wouldn't have to hide from my pc before each quali not to be tempted to see what happened. Also mind you they have only showed the practice for the last two grand prix.



No one said that, but imagine how frustrating it is for us to hear you whine about how poor the coverage of ITV is. Just imagine it please, that you have to sit every race weekend to listen to a bunch of loosers describe the race without having any clue about what is going on because they simply are in a studio watching the same thing as us (note here that it is a proven fact that they are not even aware of live timing!!!) Now I am asking you what would you think of people slagging off ITV if your only choice was this kind of coverage?



Sorry to interrupt, but that thing about live timing is not true. They have live timing in the studio (via laptop), it just took them about a year to discover it. :p Ever noticed the bald guy (Pournarakis) saying "the fastest cars at this phase of the race are the two McLarens, e.t.c." ? ;)

Anyway the most disturbing thing about these two is that they are obviously biased towards Schumacher, since ... well 10 years ago, and the other thing is that they talk too much about stuff someone can read easily on the net (zero other info), and they don't understand jack shit about what is going on when they see something happening.

Btw, nice to see a fellow greek McLaren fan (such as myself - I live in Thessaloniki)

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 21:13

Started off poor but they run a tight ship and a good show now. Shame about Allen & Ted but what can you do. Otherwise, good job. Jim has improved 1000%, and I respect him for that.

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 00:47

Originally posted by pRy
Started off poor but they run a tight ship and a good show now. Shame about Allen & Ted but what can you do. Otherwise, good job. Jim has improved 1000%, and I respect him for that.

Sorry. Let me just get this straight. You respect Jim Rosenthal?

Shurely shome mishtake?

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 07:44

ok - greece clarification noted - still though, they are showing MORE F1 than UK!!
[I mean more F1 action - not people talking about it]

It would be good to hear what coverage people enjoy in other countries -
ie anyone from germany??

I was at spa-f'champs 2004 gp and most of the [few] hours that we spent at the hotel
room - the belgian tv was constantly showing F1

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rosenthal - i dont know what to think abt the guy - I guess the most annoying thing
about him is that he pretends that nothing happened whenever they ****-up

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 08:12

The ITV coverage frustrates my quite a lot (especially James Allen & Jim Rosenthal) but...

Think back to how shocking the BBC's coverage was - F1 was consigned to highlights only at 11 o'clock on a Sunday night with the odd live race, it was only when ITV got the rights that the BBC started to show all the races live.

ITV moved the F1 show onwards an upwards in Britain, I wonder if it went back to the BBC would they be able to move it one further.

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 08:30

Originally posted by Paul Parker
How about the filler from MB that discusses how similar current F1 cars are physically and how you could not tell them apart sans paint and sponsors decals. ------ I have seen this twice now


for example rosenthal last week was announcing the abovementioned filler by MB
as BRAND NEW/FOR THE FIRST TIME etc...

In fact, as Paul Parker mentions, they had shown the exact same clip during
the build-up for the previous GP !

does rosenthal actually realise that he is shown on tv ??

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 08:46

Originally posted by Andy Davies
The ITV coverage frustrates my quite a lot (especially James Allen & Jim Rosenthal) but...

Think back to how shocking the BBC's coverage was - F1 was consigned to highlights only at 11 o'clock on a Sunday night with the odd live race, it was only when ITV got the rights that the BBC started to show all the races live.

ITV moved the F1 show onwards an upwards in Britain, I wonder if it went back to the BBC would they be able to move it one further.



That's not true, the BBC were showing all the races live for some years before they lost the contract.

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 08:59

Originally posted by DCult



Sorry to interrupt, but that thing about live timing is not true. They have live timing in the studio (via laptop), it just took them about a year to discover it. :p Ever noticed the bald guy (Pournarakis) saying "the fastest cars at this phase of the race are the two McLarens, e.t.c." ? ;)

Anyway the most disturbing thing about these two is that they are obviously biased towards Schumacher, since ... well 10 years ago, and the other thing is that they talk too much about stuff someone can read easily on the net (zero other info), and they don't understand jack shit about what is going on when they see something happening.

Btw, nice to see a fellow greek McLaren fan (such as myself - I live in Thessaloniki)


Indeed it's nice to see another fellow from Greece around here, regards to Thesaloniki :wave:

I totaly agree about their love for Schumacher and that they always keep on talking about things that most people already know for like the past ten years, they think that everyone watching has no idea whatsoever about F1. What amuses me the most though are their comments like when a car leaves the pits and they (and only they) suspect it has a problem and they go like "I think the gearbox didn't sound very well there..." you can't help it but laugh :lol:
As far as live timing honestly I haven't realised they use it, I've noticed the laptop but I though they use it to read the news from autosport because during the Indi GP as soon as anything was posted they were anouncing it (like DC's statement about the situation with the tyres etc.) Although they had no idea that the michelin cars never intended to race, when from what I've hear the ITV viewers knew that from the start of their coverage one hour before the red lights went out. During the race though they always wait for the TV feed to comment on the times when live timing shows them before that.

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 09:11

From a swedes point of view I must say the ITV coverage is vastly superior to ours. We get qualification and race live, which is great. But I really enjoy the pre/post material that ITV have, and I enjoy the commentaries much more than the swedish equivalent.

I download ITV coverage (naughty me) to view the pre/post for every race in addition to having watched it on swe coverage, and on occasion review the entire race for the commentaries alone. Only thing that's a tad annoying is the fact that they're heavily Jenson biased, but that's only natural and quite alright.

You guys have all the right to complain, but you probably have the best coverage of F1 out of all and I certainly enjoy the ITV feed.

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 09:17

Originally posted by pixelpunk
I download ITV coverage (naughty me) to view the pre/post for every race in addition to having watched it on swe coverage


where from ? - the greeks might be interested by the sounds of it

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 09:39

Originally posted by grg


where from ? - the greeks might be interested by the sounds of it


True. Where to you get from emule?

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 11:14

Originally posted by GTX


True. Where to you get from emule?



I d/l the ITV coverage too, via bittorrent. Better dont put any websites here, Google do the rest.

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 12:39

[QUOTEIn Australia we have ad breaks but don't miss any of the race[/QUOTE]

In Spain they also have ad breaks but continue to show the race, on a screen in the lower left hand corner. Why can't ITV do the same?
Nathan

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 12:20

Originally posted by jonb1
zac510 have to agree with you there. Been living out in aus for the last 3 years & am so pleased to no longer have to put up with Bill Woods & some bloody touring car driver & his "expert analysis".


hehe :lol:

To be fair they aren't the best, but they did run stories on Webber, and Casey Stoner etc. long before they won anything, so they are somewhat supportive. Though any "not paying cash to ten"/non-AVESCO motorsport does tends to dissapear down a black hole and not appear to exist... :lol:

10.30 (even 11.00 or 11.30) on big ratings day Sunday isn't such a bad time slot, they would catch a lot of casual viewers if only they didn't have "Bill Woods & some bloody touring car driver" babble on for half an hour before showing the race, argh. :drunk: :down:

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Posted 31 July 2005 - 00:07

Oh hell.

It's the Hungarian Grand Prix AND we're stuck with Mark Blundell instead of Martin Brundle.

I may just turn the sound off altogether and listent to BBC Radio 5 instead.

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Posted 31 July 2005 - 00:38

Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
Oh hell.

It's the Hungarian Grand Prix AND we're stuck with Mark Blundell instead of Martin Brundle.

I may just turn the sound off altogether and listent to BBC Radio 5 instead.



Please what frequency is it on?

Seems like I might need it.

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Posted 31 July 2005 - 00:38

and Rosenthal in shorts!!!!

I wanted to vomit.

I think Martin takes off each Hungary GP. Or maybe he just heard Rosentwatty was gonna be wearing hopelessly unsuitable clothing, and ran away accordingly.

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Posted 31 July 2005 - 07:29

Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
Oh hell.

It's the Hungarian Grand Prix AND we're stuck with Mark Blundell instead of Martin Brundle.

I may just turn the sound off altogether and listent to BBC Radio 5 instead.


After listening to Blundell's bland and boring commentary during qualifying I'm definitely going with the radio for the race - and without Brundle's influence Allen was even worse than usual...

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Posted 31 July 2005 - 07:45

Originally posted by RDM
and Rosenthal in shorts!!!!

I wanted to vomit.

I think Martin takes off each Hungary GP. Or maybe he just heard Rosentwatty was gonna be wearing hopelessly unsuitable clothing, and ran away accordingly.



Those pale pipe cleaner legs!!!! :rotfl:

Yep, it'll be Billy Blundell and his cockney barrow boy routine.

Yeah James. At the end of ver day, I fink vat ver boy done good knowarramean?

Not to mention it'll be an over the top Buttonfest without Martin keeping things in perspective.

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Posted 31 July 2005 - 11:16

Originally posted by xenna
Please what frequency is it on?

Seems like I might need it.


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#34 Dudley

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Posted 31 July 2005 - 11:18

Who the hell actually phoned in on these crappy polls?

#35 Dudley

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Posted 31 July 2005 - 11:22

[quote]Originally posted by pilota
[B][quote][/quote]

Because the price for adverts would plummet.

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Posted 31 July 2005 - 14:12

BTW. Here is the email I got back from Ofcom after complaint about ITV's cutting of the end of the Imola GP where Alonso and Schumacher were duelling for first place.

Makes good reading for a F1 fan.

Formula 1 racing – San Marino Grand Prix
ITV1, 24 April 2005, 12:00

Introduction
126 viewers complained about various aspects of ITV’s coverage of this event and in particular the advertising break pattern.

The main complaint concerned the placement and length of the final break in the race. The break (lasting 2 minutes 30 seconds) occurred just as the race, by then a close contest between Alonso and Schumacher, was entering its closing stage and finished just before the final lap. The complainants argued that the location of the break and its duration were unacceptable, depriving viewers of live coverage of a vital part of the race and destroying the tension that had built up during the event. They suggested that the break could (and should) have been placed elsewhere, either within the race or preferably in pre/post race sections of the programme. Many also objected to the perceived differences between coverage of football and F1 in placement and frequency of breaks – likening the positioning of the final race break in this instance to cutting to advertising during a penalty shoot out.

They also complained about other aspects of the coverage and the pattern of advertising breaks. A number criticised the fact that a further break (also of 2 minutes 30 seconds) was taken very shortly after the finish of the race, saying that this simply compounded their impression that the advertising was taking precedence over programme integrity/quality. Others argued that a replay of the ‘missing’ three or so laps after the race was inadequate compensation for loss of live coverage at a crucial stage and also led to shortened coverage of the press conference, missing the appearance of the British driver Jensen Button. A number asked that the coverage be handed back to the BBC.

We wrote to the broadcaster querying how the coverage complied with its Rules on the Amount and Scheduling of Advertising and in particular Section 6.7(b), dealing with placement of breaks in sports coverage. This rule states that in live coverage of long continuous sporting events, breaks may be taken at points where the focus of coverage shifts from one point to another of the event.

Response

ITV accepted that the final break in the race had been in breach of RASA Section 6.7, having been taken at an inappropriate time. It assured us that it understood the requirements of this rule and took very seriously the need to ensure that the quality of the viewing experience was maintained at the highest standards.

It outlined the steps normally taken to ensure that breaks were taken at appropriate times during the race. The production team were in continual liaison with the teams’ pit crews to determine when drivers were to be called in for pit stops or other planned actions. This communication helped to ensure that breaks were not taken at crucial moments in a race. ITV argued that the San Marino Grand Prix had had an exceptional ending where, for the last 15 minutes, Michael Schumacher was vying to overtake Fernando Alonso. The production team would normally wait for the outcome of the situation to avoid being in a break at the crucial moment. As the race progressed, the point at which the last race break would normally be taken passed and a judgement call was required. To take a break before the situation was resolved could have resulted in missing the action. With time running out, the decision was eventually made to take the break. In retrospect the break should have been taken earlier but at the time it had been a difficult call to make.

ITV said that the analogy suggested by viewers between football & motor-racing comparison did not stand in terms of how breaks interrupted the Formula 1 coverage. The focus during a football match lay with the ball which was the same for the actual spectators at a match. In motor racing, spectators only saw brief glimpses of the action from static positions, whereas the television coverage shows many points of action and follows many different focus points showing, where possible, the most interesting and exciting action. This meant that coverage was switched from one action point to another and any exciting action not seen by viewers, whether due to the taking of a commercial break or from events of interest occurring at the same time, were always replayed as soon as practical.

The break taken shortly after a race finished was always taken after the last ‘points scoring’ car crossed the finish line but before the drivers got to the podium. The apparent issue in this case had stemmed from the previous break being taken very near the end of the race.

The replay of the last 3 laps had been required to provide viewers with the best coverage possible; the replay of events was an essential part of Formula 1 coverage where action has been missed for whatever reason. On this particular occasion this did reduce the time available for the press conference and post race analysis leaving no time to show the Jensen Button interview.

ITV also added that it undertook extensive research at the start of its coverage of Formula 1 and this had been the established break pattern for the last eight years based on the audience feedback.

Decision

We acknowledge the points made by ITV about its coverage of Formula 1 racing and recognise the problems it had faced in finding an appropriate point for the final race break due to the way the race had developed. We agree that the final race break was in breach of the Rules on the Amount and Scheduling of Advertising, having been taken during an ongoing focus on the battle between the lead drivers, where no natural break point had been present.

The output breached Section 6.7(b) (natural breaks in sports programming) of the Rules on Amount and Scheduling of Advertising



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Posted 31 July 2005 - 16:33

Originally posted by stylus


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Thanks

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Posted 31 July 2005 - 17:52

Originally posted by Dudley
Who the hell actually phoned in on these crappy polls?


rosenthal sed about 10000 people - didnt know there were so many wankers in
this country.

Did they actually NOT show the post-race press conference, just for rosenthal to
announce the result of his bullshit poll about button ??? :mad:
[and as per usuall practice - pretend that nothing happened]

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anybody know why martin doesnt attend budapest?

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 11:31

Originally posted by grg
anybody know why martin doesnt attend budapest?


I thought that last year it was related to the death of his father and was a one-off, but maybe that's not the case since he wasn't present this year either.

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 11:48

Like many F1 fans I'm aware that many of you don't like James Allen as race commentator. A Petition was started last night through discussion on another site to replace James Allen as ITV F1 commentator with either Ben Edwards (eurosport) or Bob Varsha (Speed, Espn).It also allowes for a three commentary team with both Bob and Ben joining the commentary team. I have nothing against the man James Allen, and his a great Pit Lane reporter, but as a commentator he just does cut it

http://www.petitiono...M/petition.html

Please Sign the Petition if you agree, also if you feel strongly please can you pass the link of the petition to other F1 site which might not have the link

Thanks

#41 Scudetto

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 11:55

You can't have Varsha. He's ours. Blow the dust of Muzza if you have to, but Bob stays on this side of the pond.

#42 xflow7

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 11:59

Originally posted by Scudetto
You can't have Varsha. He's ours. Blow the dust of Muzza if you have to, but Bob stays on this side of the pond.


Seconded. :wave:

#43 bear

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 12:18

James Allen can iritate that's for sure but Bob Varsha,Hobbs with all his werid nosies and ESPN is crap.

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#44 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 12:20

ESPN :confused:

#45 grg

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 12:29

prob related to above

#46 C.K.

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 12:30

Don't know nothing about either Ben Edwards (eurosport) or Bob Varsha (Speed, Espn). But I would love not to have to listern to james allen ever again.

#47 312 PB

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 12:31

Yes!!!! Please take Bob Varsha!!!!

Then when I have to watch Speed they can use Leigh Diffey :up:

#48 xflow7

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 12:33

Originally posted by 312 PB
Yes!!!! Please take Bob Varsha!!!!

Then when I have to watch Speed they can use Leigh Diffey :up:


Or...shudder...Rick DeBruhl. If Bob ever left, Diffey would be a good replacement, but it's not worth the risk. :)

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 12:36

(Sorry Ross) I meant SpeedTV, didn't Varsha used to work for ESPN?

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#50 PhilKerr

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 12:52

Allen is a perfectly good commentator far better than old fart Murray ever was :up:

Allen's fanboyism gets a little irritating at times but I think personally he is doing a very good job as commentator

Ben Edwards sounds like he has been inhaling helium and I have never heard Varsha but Allen does NOT need replacing