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#1 Mac Lark

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 01:22

Do I detect that Barry's model has been badly damaged?

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#2 David McKinney

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 06:21

Its accident left it in many pieces but Barry assured us it was just a matter of gluing the pieces back together :up:

#3 Barry Boor

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 07:24

The story goes like this....

I placed the model, on its base, on top of Ted's boxes of photographs at the back of the Ferret stand. No more than 2 minutes later, as Ted, Roger and myself were chatting, Ted exclaimed in an alarmed fashion "Where's your model gone?"

Looking around to the back of his tent, we could see a man looking through some pictures, having removed one of the drawers of Ted's boxes, but couldn't see the model. At first I thought the man was masking it but when I looked, sure enough, it had disappeared.

Next reaction was, somebody has run in an nicked it. Silly, of course, who on earth would want it????

So I peered around the back of the boxes and could just see the edge of the base, jammed down between the back of the boxes and the back of the tent. Around this time, the man put the drawer back and walked away - damage done.

Ted moved a few boxes and I was able to reach down and pick up the bits.

If it was a real car, the good news is that the chassis appears undamaged, but the nose is broken off, as is the engine/gearbox and the wheels are either now only partially attached or not attached at all. A sorry sight, I must confess.

Quite why this gentleman didn't at least mention the fact that he had pushed the thing off the boxes, I do not know. I'm sure it was an accident and accidents happen, but to ignore it was a rather.... well, I can't actually think of a word!

The REALLY ironic thing in all this is that Roger and I drove down to Essex on Saturday evening to spend the night with Peter Connew and his family. Peter was looking forward to seeing the model which he had only viewed before in photographs.

When I manage to get my upload programme working again, I will show you what he saw.

#4 Gary C

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 07:27

unbelievable! some people !!

#5 David Lawson

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 08:48

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Quite why this gentleman didn't at least mention the fact that he had pushed the thing off the boxes, I do not know. I'm sure it was an accident and accidents happen, but to ignore it was a rather.... well, I can't actually think of a word!


This is one of the signs of the times unfortunately, this ba&%*d showed complete disregard for someone else and their property.

I hope you can rebuild the model to its former glory.

David

#6 Vicuna

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:05

:mad:

#7 Patrick Fletcher

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:35

Originally posted by Barry Boor
The story goes like this....
Ted exclaimed in an alarmed fashion "Where's your model gone?"
Looking around to the back of his tent, we could see a man looking through some pictures, having removed one of the drawers of Ted's boxes, but couldn't see the model. At first I thought the man was masking it .............


"It must have been Tracchia, he thought he had the Coronado and JH to deal with .... again"

sincerely hope you get your model all back together

#8 ensign14

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 10:01

It was probably de Cesaris.

#9 D-Type

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 10:22

Originally posted by Vicuna
:mad:

Very well put
Barry, you have my sympathies :cry:

#10 eldougo

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 10:23

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#11 David Beard

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 11:53

The Connew's first serious accident? At least it happened at a racing circuit, at a high profile meeting....

I hope you can mend it without too much trouble, Barry.

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 12:28

Barry,

Very sorry to hear about the aciident to your model.
It certainly looked very impressive on its brief Cheshire outing on Friday.

I've e-mailed you a couple more pics.

#13 LittleChris

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 21:15

So sorry to hear about this Barry. Hope the old girl is up and running soon

#14 condor

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 21:20

I wondered what all the drama was about....it only seemed to have it's front end knocked off, though must admit because it was damaged didn't take much attention to it. :

i'm sure you can fix it quite soon :)

#15 Barry Boor

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 21:25

Well, Condor, it is a bit worse than that.

It went from this...

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to this...

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...in the blink of an eye.

#16 condor

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 21:28

Well you didn't use superglue did ya :lol:

#17 Barry Boor

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 21:30

Actually, the whole thing WAS held together with just that substance but a fall to the ground from about 5 feet up was too much even for Loctite's best!

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 21:37

No-one mentioned that poor Francois lost his legs in the accident................




Seriously, sorry this happened, and I agree with the folks reaction above about the clot who did it. It looks like you can rebuild it, is that right?

#19 Cirrus

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 21:37

The survival cell looks remarkably undamaged - a tribute to safety standards in the '70s!

Seriously, though - just like a real historic, it's better to have a car "Hors de Combat" than buffed up to within an inch of its life and hidden away in some museum.

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#20 Pils1989

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 21:38

It really doesn't look that bad! I was picturing small pieces of plastic for a complex puzzle.

#21 condor

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 21:42

Well at least it's all clean joint cuts ...so can be easily fixed :)

Though perhaps I'd suggest a 2-mix araldite glue instead....and proper cleaning of the model with acetone before you glue it together :)

I'm quite surprised the superglue didn't work.....my only thought is that the surfaces can't have been cleaned properly beforehand...some residual grease lurking somewhere :

but clean cuts are better than splinters :)

#22 Barry Boor

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 21:43

Initially putting the 3 major components back together (nose, chassis and engine/gearbox) is a simple task.

However, parts of the Tamiya McLaren M.23 suspension that connect the rear wheels to the gearbox are actually broken and in a couple of instances small pieces that actually make the connections are gone.

I suppose I ought to try to make the rear suspension more like the Connew was, but that would involve getting scale drawings that are currently buried deep and inaccesible in the Connew loft!

#23 Gary C

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 22:01

bluddy hell, Barry, that IS a lot of damge. Hope you can repair it in time

#24 condor

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 22:08

Originally posted by Gary C
Hope you can repair it in time


In time for what? :confused:

I've obviously missed out on the importance of this....but I'm sure so have a lot of others....and I was there :)

Perhaps Barry can explain to us, what looks like a fairly easy repair job .....is such a big deal :confused:

#25 Barry Boor

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 22:16

O.K. It's a five minute job and I shall not mention it again.

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 22:27

There's no need to get all upset about things...and it's obviously longer than a 5 minute job to fix....BUT - the damage looks to be clean cuts and not splinters, which would be a lot harder to fix.

#27 David Lawson

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 22:36

Barry

Tamiya still produce the 1/12 McLaren and also offer a spares service. It would be possible to buy the sprue that has the suspension components that are missing.

David

#28 Pils1989

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 22:38

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Initially putting the 3 major components back together (nose, chassis and engine/gearbox) is a simple task.

However, parts of the Tamiya McLaren M.23 suspension that connect the rear wheels to the gearbox are actually broken and in a couple of instances small pieces that actually make the connections are gone.

I suppose I ought to try to make the rear suspension more like the Connew was, but that would involve getting scale drawings that are currently buried deep and inaccesible in the Connew loft!


Ok, thanks, it's more serious than it looks like! Good luck!

#29 D-Type

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 22:57

Condor,

It's not that straightforward to repair.

The difficulty is that the model is mainly plastic. When plastic bits get broken, they always stretch slightly so you can't just stick them back together. As the glues that stick plastic (even superglue) do so by dissolving or softening it, sticking the plastic together distorts it slightly and weakens it at the joint so sticking it a second time always shows. So none of the breaks are 'clean' breaks like those in a bit of china.

I suspect acetone dissolves plastics and paint as well as grease. Remember that it's the main constituent of nail varnish remover!

Then once Barry has got it all back together he has the problem of repainting it. He will have to either paint around the decals or remove them and make new ones from scratch.

And no matter how skilful Barry is, he will always be able to see every repair even if nobody else can.

#30 condor

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 23:57

I'm still totally lost how a fall from about 5ft could separate it in so many pieces - the casual glance I gave it...was just of the cockpit front end which gave the appearance (to me...not an expert) of being wood....certainly recall some graining.
Never occurred to me that it might be mainly plastic...and of course, acetone would melt it.

Best wishes for your repair job :up:

#31 pilota

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Posted 03 August 2005 - 17:02

Barry
Sorry to see the damage to your model. As someone who has built many models over the years I can appreciate that its not just the damage, it's also having to do the work again, thanks to someone elses stupidity.
amazing that the wing mirrors survived - they would have been difficult.
Looks like a great model, and what an unususal subject. well done in the first place!!
Nathan

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Posted 03 August 2005 - 17:22

Originally posted by Barry Boor
However, parts of the Tamiya McLaren M.23 suspension that connect the rear wheels to the gearbox are actually broken and in a couple of instances small pieces that actually make the connections are gone.

I suppose I ought to try to make the rear suspension more like the Connew was, but that would involve getting scale drawings that are currently buried deep and inaccesible in the Connew loft!


Are all the Connew drawings there? If so, excavation of the loft sounds like a "must do" project!

And you really should have that unusual rear end correct, anyway ;)

#33 Barry Boor

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Posted 03 August 2005 - 18:00

Pilota, there is a reason why I chose this particular car to create a model of....

David, you are right, but as far as P.C. getting up into his loft goes, well, YOU tell him!

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 03:43

Unfortunately, Tamiya do not still produce the 1/12 McLaren M23, and on ebay, they are one of the more sort after Tamiya 1/12 kits, often going for large sums of money.

However, there is a strong rumour ( supported by 1 or 2 pics on the Tamiya website ) that it may be re-released... Although it could just be a very limited run of an undecaled version they will release at a trade show shortly, as they did with the 1/20 McLaren M23 a couple of years back.

#35 David Hyland

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 08:42

Originally posted by Mac Lark in post #1

Do I detect that Barry's model has been badly damaged?

Every so often, I see a thread like this one that seems to "start out of nowhere" - am I missing something?
(or is this a follow-on from another thread which I just haven't read?)

Thanks,
David.

#36 David McKinney

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 08:45

This can be annoying, can't it?
I suspect this one came out of:
http://forums.atlasf...&threadid=79515

#37 Rob Ryder

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 09:40

Originally posted by David Hyland

Every so often, I see a thread like this one that seems to "start out of nowhere" - am I missing something?
(or is this a follow-on from another thread which I just haven't read?)

Thanks,
David.


David
The original thread relating to Barry's model... :up:
http://forums.atlasf...y=&pagenumber=1

The disaster... Silverstone in the thread mentioned by David McKinney :down:
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#38 pilota

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 21:57

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Pilota, there is a reason why I chose this particular car to create a model of....

I appreciate/understand the reason, but it's still an unusual subject, (from my point of view - although obviously not from your viewpoint.)
Nathan

#39 Barry Boor

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 10:16

Following the desperately sad news about Francois two weeks ago I decided it was appropriate finally to make the effort to put the model back together.

This morning I glued the final bits together. There are a couple of decals that need to be replaced and of course, it can never be up to the standard of finish that it had back in 2005 at Silverstone but I feel very happy to see it standing on four wheels again.

Now for the real one..... (as if!)

For anyone to whom this is a complete mystery, You will find the story of the model here: http://188.65.115.17...-bin/model.html

and back in post #3 on this thread, the reason why it needed rebuilding.

Edited by Barry Boor, 12 February 2012 - 10:21.


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#40 David Lawson

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 14:42

I know just how p***ed off you were when the Connew was badly damaged and I'm glad that you now have the time and the energy to rebuild it, I look forward to seeing the repaired model.

David

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 12:40

Following the desperately sad news about Francois two weeks ago I decided it was appropriate finally to make the effort to put the model back together.

This morning I glued the final bits together. There are a couple of decals that need to be replaced and of course, it can never be up to the standard of finish that it had back in 2005 at Silverstone but I feel very happy to see it standing on four wheels again.

A fitting tribute :up:

Now for the real one..... (as if!)

I think we need to follow the Micheal Schumacher maxim here "Never Give Up" :wave: