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#1 ralt12

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 19:20

Does anyone know if Tyrrell 006 was damaged at BRIC? I had heard of an excursion at the Kink, but not a damage or injury report.

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#2 Gary C

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 19:26

what's BRIC?

#3 philippe charuest

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 19:28

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#4 Tmeranda

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 23:14

I was there and I think I heard it was transmission problems not chassis damage.

#5 David M. Kane

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 13:42

It was John Dimmer's Tyrrell which I believe is 001 or 003. Go to www.historicgrandprix.com, the info is there. He "only" broke his 5th Metatarsal...can't remember if it's right or left foot. He feels very lucky to have not sustained more serious injury. The car was heavily damaged on all four corners as well as the Hewland.

One does NOT pass in the Kink, I wouldn't do it in a Saloon, let alone an open-wheeler. It was a very ill advised move on the part of the other driver, in my opinion. I'm sure he's very sorry now that he did it. It's a shame because he's a really nice guy.

Fellow HGP driver, Erich Joiner, had brake failure entered turn 14 and hit the wall in his Chevron B36 at 140mph breaking the heel on his right foot and crushing a vertebrae which had to be fussed. I talked to him yesterday and he expects to fully recover. He was in very good spirits. He said it scared the crap out of him. He tried to get sideways, but he said when he got on the kitty litter the car skipped like a stone and it wouldn't turn.

There was also the huge Trans-Am shunt as well as some wheel climbing between a BT-29 and a BT-35, all in all a very hot, brain insane weekend!

#6 David M. Kane

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 13:51

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Sorry, I believe, 006 is kept and raced in England only by John Delane and his son Ryan. John also has 002 and the Tyrrell Transporter. Though the Delanes are Southern Califorians, they mostly race
in Europe.

They both are excellent drivers and Ryan is a 1st class race photographer.

#7 ralt12

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 17:14

There's more than one 006. According to John Delane's website, he owns 006/1, Tom Wheatcroft owns 006/2, and the whereabouts of 006/3 are not available--though I have been told it was written off at one point. I don't know if there's more than that number, as at that time Tyrrell started making greater numbers of chassis--supposedly there are seven 007's, seven P34's etc...

Again, according to John's site ( http://www.teamtyrre...ells/index.html ) John Dimmer owns 004, so perhaps John Dimmer was driving John Delane's 006 on that day.

I'm glad that injuries are fairly minor, as going off at the Kink can have you in another zip code in a hurry.


As an aside, sicne I've started to keep track of the Tyrrell owners, I can account for a little over 40 chassis, leaving more than 80 unaccounted for--if anyone knows of museum cars beyond the Donington Collection or any of the non-TGP cars in Europe or Asia, I'd be pleased to add them to the list.

#8 David M. Kane

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 17:26

:stoned:

Let me qualify the damage to the Tyrrell, they touched front wheel to front wheel, rear to rear at around 140-145mph. This caused significant damage to the suspension of the Tyrrell. It then roared into the right barrier almost unabated, approximately 140mph, totally destroying the right front suspension, then slide along the barrier damaging the right rear. Basically John said they ended up with three piles "of stuff". Pile #1 went straight into the trash, pile #2 was stuff that might be salvageable. Pile #3 was stuff that could be used for sure.

Since I am having to pay the bills on putting my March 741 back together, I can only assure you that putting Tyrrell back together is not cheap, but the lads at Bruce Dennison's are busting their butts to get the car together so they can do the HGP support races to the IRL events at Sears Point and Watkins Glen.

In the meantime John is playing golf in his walking boot, amazingly not skipping a beat.

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 19:25

David, how is your hand now? I hope to see you guys in Montreal again sometime.

#10 Gary C

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 19:39

' and the whereabouts of 006/3 are not available--though I have been told it was written off at one point.'
er..............................yes, that would have been in Francois Cevert's fatal accident.

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 19:59

I just posted today photos of the 006 seen at Goodwood the last 2 years but don't know which one it was, here :
http://www.gurneyflap.com

#12 David M. Kane

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 21:02

:drunk:

If you go to www.historicgrandprix.com, it is clearly 004.

#13 ralt12

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 21:41

and the whereabouts of 006/3 are not available--though I have been told it was written off at one point.'
er..............................yes, that would have been in Francois Cevert's fatal accident.


Yes. I was even there for that, as unpleasant as it was. But non-carbon cars sometimes find their way back to life, and I wasn't sure whether Cevert's car, in the intervening years, somehow found its way back into being....

#14 Gary C

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 21:53

' But non-carbon cars sometimes find their way back to life, and I wasn't sure whether Cevert's car, in the intervening years, somehow found its way back into being.... '
No way!!

#15 philippe charuest

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 22:18

the historic grand prix gang came 3 time at mont tremblant at the "sommet" including this summer i remember that there was a tyrell even two in 2002. but they were 1971-72 cars meaning 001-003. no 006

#16 Pedro 917

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 22:24

John Delane is at the Nürburgring right now, driving 006 and 002. The transporter is also there and can be visited. I will post pictures later as I just returned from the Ring. Sad ly, I couldn't stay for the whole week-end. Still took some 2000 pictures though....

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 02:53

Originally posted by ralt12
and the whereabouts of 006/3 are not available--though I have been told it was written off at one point.'
er..............................yes, that would have been in Francois Cevert's fatal accident.


Yes. I was even there for that, as unpleasant as it was. But non-carbon cars sometimes find their way back to life, and I wasn't sure whether Cevert's car, in the intervening years, somehow found its way back into being....



Have you ever seen frontal pictures of the car after the impact? It's completely torn apart. I seriously doubt that even the chassis plate made out in one piece. Part of the engine may have been able to be salvaged, but not much of the chassis itself.

However, that does not mean there is not a recreation of 006/3 somewhere...

#18 Ruairidh

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 03:20

Originally posted by Gary C
' But non-carbon cars sometimes find their way back to life, and I wasn't sure whether Cevert's car, in the intervening years, somehow found its way back into being.... '
No way!!


Considering the news a while ago that Jochen Rindt's Monza 72 was being rebuilt, nothing would surprise me anymore.

#19 David McKinney

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 05:47

For anyone who can't wait for Pedro's offering:
http://www.ogpracing...ag/dsc_0187.jpg

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 07:07

Whichever precise chassis Delane owns, I found it interesting to note at the recent historic meet that it is restored to its early 1973 spec as opposed to how it ended that season (or indeed, how it began 1974). In fact, it's turned out in the original 'deformable structures' specification, as first seen at the 1973 International Trophy.

By the '73 British GP, the pointy 'elephant's trunk' end to the airbox had gone, the rear wing endplates were a teardrop shape (replacing the earlier oblong ones) and the decking over the rear end had also been dropped. Soon to follow were the side radiators and their shrouds.

Of course it's not unusual for a chassis which underwent considerable modifications in its working life to be restored to its original spec - the Lotus 76s are a case in point - and I guess the Tyrrell in question was actually first built to the 'deformable structure' regs. But then you get others masquerading as chassis from from pre-April '73, but still fitted with their d.s. elements. There's a Lotus 72 liveried in Gold Leaf yet still fitted with the distinctive deformable structures down its flanks, which looks plain stupid to my eye! And then there's its rear wing...

#21 stuartbrs

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 13:35

Didnt Doug Nye say in a thread here awhile back that the Cevert Tyrell was put in the crusher?

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 00:01

Friday, John Delane drove Tyrell 002 on the Nordschleife. Being on slicks, that must have been quite an experience :

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And here he is in 006 :

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and another picture of the Leyland / Tyrrell transporter :

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The Gold Leaf Team Lotus transporter was also there and drew a lot of attention.
I will post more pictures in the transporters thread.

#23 David M. Kane

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 00:11

;)

Pedro 917:

Fantastic shots! John Delane that with 006 being short wheelbase it's not nearly as nice to drive as his other Tyrrell, it's more edgy; but it sure is neat looking!

The Lotus Transporter is own by Johannes Willenpart who also use to race with HGP. He just recently moved back to Austria from Easton, Maryland. He also own the ex-Rindt F2 Lotus 69 as well the Lotus 49 Jochen won the 1969 USGP at Watkins Glen.

#24 Pedro 917

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 00:21

Thanks David! I took a lot of pictures from that car too. Here he is on the old track paying tribute to Jochen :

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I'll put up some of my best shots in a new thread soon.

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 19:04

Tyrrell 006/3 was the car in which Cevert sustained fatal injuries during qualifying for the 1973 USGP at Watkins Glen. At the time of the accident, he was holding the pole position. Out of respect for Cevert and the entire team family, Tyrrell withdrew his other two drivers - Sir Jackie Stewart and Chris
Amon, from the event. Tyrrell later personally cut up the crashed car so that it
would never again be driven.

This text comes from a page on The internet I not remember where

#26 Bill Wagenblatt

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 20:24

I talked with John Delane at the 2004 Monterey Historic about the Tyrrells. His car is 006 which is the car the Cevert drove throughout most of 1973. Cevert was involved in an incident in Canada with Scheckter and the car suffered damage. In the two weeks between the Canadian and US GPs, the Tyrrell team rebuilt 006 and Chris Amon drove at in practice at Watkins Glen. In addition, 006/3 was finished and Cevert drove that throughout practice and the car was destroyed in his accident. Stewart primary car was 006/2 in 1973. The Delane car is 006 (no /# suffix) only the 2nd and 3rd cars have the /# suffix.

Delane also has Tyrrell 002 and restored 001 for the Tyrrell family. In exchange for the restoration Delane has use of 001 for a couple of years (do not remember the exact number). Dimmer's car is 004 which was in 1972 by Stewart at Monaco, then as a training car and was used by Depailler at the 72 French and US GP.

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#27 David M. Kane

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 21:27

;)

Good work Bill!

#28 rwhitworth

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:01

Originally posted by Bill Wagenblatt
I talked with John Delane at the 2004 Monterey Historic about the Tyrrells. His car is 006 which is the car the Cevert drove throughout most of 1973.


Just to add a detail, explaining why Delane drives 006 with Stewart's name on the side...

Jackie Stewart damaged his intended car in practice for the South African Grand Prix, and took over 006 from Cevert. So the car was once raced - and won - with Stewart's name on the side.

Here is a picture I took in that practice session just after Stewart took over the car. It's not a great picture, but it is clearly Stewart driving with Cevert's name on the side (John Delane was pretty amused when I showed him the picture)

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 17:48

According to MotorSport, December 1974, p. 1329:


(Title: Before We Lose Track :lol: )


001- Retained at Tyrrell factory, in dismantled form
002- Sold to Fittipaldi brothers in Brazil
003- Given to Jackie Stewart as a retirement present
004- Sold to and raced by Alex Blignaut in South Africa
005- In use by Tyrrell until 1974; became a display (show) car
006- Crashed by Cevert at Mosport 1973; parts used to build 006/3 at Watkins Glen
006/2- Sold to Tom Wheatcroft; on display at Donington
006/3- Virtually destroyed in Cevert's fatal crash; at factory as of November 1974
007/1- Prototype 1974 car; sold to Team Gunston in South Africa

007/2, 007/3 and 007/4- Retained by Elf Team Tyrrell

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 18:52

Originally posted by ralt12

As an aside, sicne I've started to keep track of the Tyrrell owners, I can account for a little over 40 chassis, leaving more than 80 unaccounted for--if anyone knows of museum cars beyond the Donington Collection or any of the non-TGP cars in Europe or Asia, I'd be pleased to add them to the list.


80!!! Most of the Tyrrells brought by Paul Stoddart were I believe converted to two seats or his two seat race series.

Twinny mentioned his surprise the form in which 006 has been restored. I thought 005 was the only one to have the deformable structure retro fitted, 006, 006/2 and 006/3 were built that way. It's good that it has the proper outrigged mirrors, not the later Halfords black things, but I agree, the airbox tail should go as should the sidepod extensions, then it will be perfect!!

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Posted 18 February 2006 - 04:07

Most of what Paul converted were 026's, according to previous posts here. We can account for over 65 Tyrrells now, which still leaves a good number unaccounted for. Restoration of Alesi's first ride (France 1989) and the 018 Palmer used to set fast lap in Canada in 1989 continues at a good clip.

#32 f1steveuk

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Posted 18 February 2006 - 10:25

I think Soames Langton had an 019, but I don't know if his family retain it

#33 tobbe j

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Posted 10 July 2006 - 09:09

Hi
I have questions concerning Tyrrell 006,

Did the use Tyrrell 006 parts to build the 006-3?

006- Crashed by Cevert at Mosport 1973; parts used to build 006/3


FLB According to MotorSport, December 1974


Was all three 006 cars on Watkins Glen?

Tyrrell team rebuilt 006 and Chris Amon drove at in practice at Watkins Glen


Bill Wagenblatt

I do a short history on the Tyrrell cars.
In collaboration with some of the present-day owners.


Regards Tobias

#34 rwhitworth

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 08:10

I've just noticed that my picture of Stewart driving 006 with Cevert's name on the side vanished when I had to move my website... so here it is again:

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 15:47

Originally posted by rwhitworth
I've just noticed that my picture of Stewart driving 006 with Cevert's name on the side vanished when I had to move my website... so here it is again:

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Did 006 ever run slab sided like that, and with the narrow rad openings?? I thought only 005 ran without the later add on deformable structure, and the wider rad openings? Now I am confused! :confused:

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 15:56

I am confused! Yep it did, 005 didn't have Cevert's name on the airbox side (it said Elf) so what did Stewart's have on the airbox? (in the race anyway). Did Stewart actually practise 006?

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 18:54

The picture is (without a doubt) Stewart in 006, during Friday practice, just after he crashed 005.

Steve is correct to draw attention to the position of the Elf logo on the air-box and the position of the driver name. It seems to have changed between Friday and Saturday - I'd never noticed that before!

Here is Stewart in 006 in the race:

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...and here is Cevert in 005 after breaking down in the race. There doesn't seem to be a name at all on the visible side of the car!

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 19:59

Thanks for that fascinating insight into events at Kyalami '73. Also, the photograph of Francois Cevert is wonderful!

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 20:03

Superb pictures. You can see where they've hurriedly changed the numbers on Cevert's car, it's peeling off!

006/2 is still my favourite car EVER!!

I never knew 006 ran slab sided, so I've learnt something, and your right it IS 006, because it has the full withd ali' dam on the nose, and where Stewart is missing part of the wing endplate, it shows quite a structure within. Like I said, superb pictures, full of detail, thanks

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 18:47

I'm not sure if the following is relevant to this thread, but I'll post it anyways as it may be of interest to Tyrrell historians. While reading this thread I remembered something I saw at Watkins Glen in 1973. I was there for the GP and back then I would go to the track on the Monday after the race, during tire testing, to take some photos. I never had any press credentials, but usually on the the testing days the officials would allow me into the pit area as long as I signed a waiver. By the time I arrived the testing was over. While walking near the garage area, I saw most of the cars were loaded on a couple of transporters ready to be taken to the airport. I took a few photos and started back to my car. On my way I noticed a garage door that was left open so I took a look in. There were not any cars there, but I saw something that caught my eye. In the garage bay that the Tyrrell team had used for the weekend sat a wooden crate. I walked over to it and was surprised to see parts of a Tyrrell with the number 6 or 9 in that crate (I know they had a number 6 and a number 9 car with them that weekend). And on top of it was a wind screen (I think that's the correct terminology) with Cevert's name on it. I don't think it was the car that Cevert was driving when he had his accident, because the body panels looked straight and I know his car was almost completely demolished. I took three pictures, but because of the poor lighting they didn't come out very well. I can post these three photos, as bad as they are, if anyone is interested in viewing them.

#41 Gary C

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 20:18

of course!! I think there will be quite a few people on here who would be delighted to see them.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 21:25

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The above is a 3/4 front-left side view.

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This a right side view.

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And this a front view of the upper crate.

The reason the photos look somewhat dull (other than for the poor lighting) is because I purposely turn down the contrast so the contents of the crate would show.

#43 Doug Nye

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 19:17

Hard to see but this is NOT the wreckage of the car in which Francois died. It could be the bent tub from the Canadian GP. Ken told me that after that crash Francois telephoned his Mum and said "I am alive today because my Tyrrell is strong...". Then just days later...

It's detailed in my Tyrrell book.

And, yes, the Glen wreck was put through the crusher, with Derek Gardner supervising its total obliteration.

DCN

Edited by Doug Nye, 14 May 2009 - 19:19.


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Posted 15 May 2009 - 14:39

Hard to see but this is NOT the wreckage of the car in which Francois died. It could be the bent tub from the Canadian GP. Ken told me that after that crash Francois telephoned his Mum and said "I am alive today because my Tyrrell is strong...". Then just days later...

It's detailed in my Tyrrell book.

And, yes, the Glen wreck was put through the crusher, with Derek Gardner supervising its total obliteration.

DCN


Doug, would your records have the engine number, and was it 066 ?


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Posted 15 May 2009 - 15:28

Don't have the engine numbers, but here's an overview of the 005/006 series through to early 1974..

005 - new at french GP 1972. Practiced and crashed by Cevert. Not raced. then practiced and again crashed at British GP, this time by Stewart. Not raced. reappeared in austria with the 'trident' airbox, raced by Stewart through to the end of 1972 and in south america 1973. This is the car raced by Amon in Canada 1973, and practiced W.Glen, not 006. Used by depaillier, 1974
006 - new for Cevert Canda 1972. So raced with the slim line rad cowls and slab sides - no def. structures, and never with original low airbox. Raced by Cevert all through 1973 except where swopped with Stewart in south africa as detailed above. Converted to def. structures for 1973 Spanish GP. Damaged in Canadian GP, canablised for 006-3 (see below) but later rebuilt, although not used again by Tyrrell.
006-2 New for Stewart, Int trophy 1973. raced by JYS till Watkins Glen. This car never raced in period without the def. structures. Side oil cooler ducts removed for the n.american races and oil rads relocated to the rear of the gearbox. Then used by Scheckter and Depaillier, early 1974.
006-3 Tub flown to N america for US GP, car built up from new and salvaged parts for Cevert. destroyed in his fatal accident.

btw we've covered the '0072' derivative aswell in a recent thread.


all from DCN's book and a'sport.
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Posted 15 May 2009 - 15:31

I've never seen a 006 at Road America.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 21:56

The picture is (without a doubt) Stewart in 006, during Friday practice, just after he crashed 005.

Steve is correct to draw attention to the position of the Elf logo on the air-box and the position of the driver name. It seems to have changed between Friday and Saturday - I'd never noticed that before!

Here is Stewart in 006 in the race:

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...and here is Cevert in 005 after breaking down in the race. There doesn't seem to be a name at all on the visible side of the car!

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Time has marched on and regrettably Russels pics are no longer available on this thread however I did find Russel's photo on racing sports cars.com linked here of Jackie Stewart driving Ceverts car here, can anyone confirm that the photo on RCS is actually Tyrrell 006 in practice and not 005 as labelled ?

And a supplementary question does anyone know why Ferrari took over the #3 & #4 race numbers from around the 1973 Belgian GP which up until that point in the season had been used by Tyrrell ?

Relevant answers maybe credited and used in a forthcoming blog on 006, thanking you in anticipation of your responses.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:52

And a supplementary question does anyone know why Ferrari took over the #3 & #4 race numbers from around the 1973 Belgian GP which up until that point in the season had been used by Tyrrell ?

The 1973 Belgian GP was the first race where a standardised numbering system was used, which continued for the rest of the season. In the earlier races in 1973 the numbering was fairly random, although as Arttidesco says Lotus were usually 1-2 with Tyrrell 3-4. The Argentine GP was the last World Championship F1 race with only even race numbers allocated, so here Lotus were 2-4 and Tyrrell 6-8.

From the Belgian GP onward the standardised numbers were:

Lotus 1-2
Ferrari 3-4
Tyrrell 5-6
McLaren 7-8
Brabham 9-10-11
Graham Hill 12
CMGD (Mike Beuttler) 15
Shadow 16-17
BRM 19-20-21
Surtees 23-24
Williams 25-26

The other numbers still varied slightly from race to race. The question now is: how and why were these numbers chosen? They don't match the previous year's Constructors' Championship (as they did in 1974). This question has been asked in several earlier threads, but I've yet to see a definitive answer.

Edited by Tim Murray, 17 March 2013 - 09:56.