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#1 Steffen

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Posted 16 August 2005 - 23:56

Hi all,
in the last few month I went through the old racing magazine's of my father and the new 70's DVD's and came across two pictures of well known cars with unusual bodywork. Now I wanted to ask if someone of you has more informations about those parts :

At the French and the British Grand Prix in 1975, John Watson's Surtees TS16 appeared with an airbox which seems to be the one being used on the TS14A in 1973.
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Apart from the fact that a white airbox doesn't fit to a yellow blue car that good, I would like to know why Surtees tried to use an old part again. Was it probably because of aerodynamic reasons?

Then there is this picture of a Brabham BT45 with a nose very similar to the one being used on the BT42. Because of the white parts I think it had been a testing session around the time when the decision was made to paint the whole car in red.
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I had never seen a picture of this nose before, so I would like to know if they ever used it during a Grand Prix weekend?


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#2 algot_UA

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 08:05

Interesting question. Any idea?

#3 Cirrus

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 08:55

I doubt if Brabham ever ran that nose at a GP. They were quite fond of experimenting with different nose designs in those days. I seem to recall a BT46 testing with a wide, very shallow nose not unlike a Coyote Indycar of that era - I thought it looked great at the time. Has anyone got a picture of that?

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 09:02

Originally posted by Cirrus
I doubt if Brabham ever ran that nose at a GP. They were quite fond of experimenting with different nose designs in those days. I seem to recall a BT46 testing with a wide, very shallow nose not unlike a Coyote Indycar of that era - I thought it looked great at the time. Has anyone got a picture of that?


Presumably it was an attempt to get more air into the radiators cooling the Alfa engine?

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 09:15

Originally posted by Cirrus

I seem to recall a BT46 testing with a wide, very shallow nose not unlike a Coyote Indycar of that era - I thought it looked great at the time.

This one, I think...

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#6 Cirrus

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 09:21

Yes, that's the one. I STILL think it looks great! (But it's a BT45 isn't it?)

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 09:26

Originally posted by Cirrus

(But it's a BT45 isn't it?)

Indeed it is - a 45C in fact.

#8 RTH

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 10:39

Anyone got a picture of the car with the surface cooling panels ( that didn't work and never got beyond a test session ) .

#9 Cirrus

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 10:44

Apparently, when the sooling system pressurised, the panels started to swell.......

#10 RTH

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 10:52

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Not unlike this standard BT 42

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#11 fausto

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 10:52

Originally posted by RTH
Anyone got a picture of the car with the surface cooling panels ( that didn't work and never got beyond a test session ) .


http://www.forix.com...rabham-bt46.jpg

#12 RTH

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 10:55

Originally posted by fausto


http://www.forix.com...rabham-bt46.jpg


Quite a handsome looking car , - pity it didn't work ......................next stop 'The Fan Car ' !

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 11:23

the BT45 Alfa Romeo concept first appearred in white, some time before they actually crossed to racing Alfa units. My guess is that this is an early test session where they hadn't got round to using the entirely red colour scheme and later aerodynamic parts.

#14 Rob Ryder

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 11:49

Originally posted by Huw Jadvantich
the BT45 Alfa Romeo concept first appearred in white, some time before they actually crossed to racing Alfa units. My guess is that this is an early test session where they hadn't got round to using the entirely red colour scheme and later aerodynamic parts.

I have the Pace image on my PC labelled "27-11-1975 Test at Misano". Don't ask me where that info came from because I can't remember!

The all white BT45 Alfa was shown to the press 09-11-1975 at Balocco...
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Posted 04 October 2006 - 16:26

Originally posted by RTH
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Not unlike this standard BT 42

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My idea of garden ornaments!!!

#16 macoran

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 20:04

Originally posted by RTH
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Any other piccies of the Team Gunston Lotus ?

#17 Twin Window

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 20:33

Originally posted by RTH

Not unlike this standard BT 42

Nor, unsurprisingly, the BT43...

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BTW, that's Jeremy Bouckley leaning into the cockpit.

#18 Henri Greuter

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 08:09

Originally posted by Huw Jadvantich
the BT45 Alfa Romeo concept first appearred in white, some time before they actually crossed to racing Alfa units. My guess is that this is an early test session where they hadn't got round to using the entirely red colour scheme and later aerodynamic parts.





And according Heinz Pruller: during the photo session of the car standng still, the radiators were leaking oil on the track...
Illustrative of what was to come....


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Posted 05 October 2006 - 10:50

Originally posted by macoran


Any other piccies of the Team Gunston Lotus ?


On the slot car forum, there is the following thread that has quite a few photos of the Gunston Lotus and other SA F1 cars of the late 60`s and early 70`s

http://www.slotforum....php/t5220.html

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#20 macoran

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 17:43

Absolutely smashing zakeriath !!! thanks for the link . :up: