Oulton Park - August 2005
#1
Posted 29 August 2005 - 20:40
...and then there was this....
Roger and I could not work out the reasoning behind the word AMON on the cockpit side.
(This is NOT another attempt to start an Amon thread!)
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#2
Posted 30 August 2005 - 05:35
I'm sure it's some up before, but can't remember what the answer wasOriginally posted by Barry Boor
Roger and I could not work out the reasoning behind the word AMON on the cockpit side.[/B]
#3
Posted 30 August 2005 - 05:40
What the hell has happened to that Milano?
#4
Posted 30 August 2005 - 05:49
And just to 'cap' it off - is that an Edmund Irvine helmet?
#5
Posted 30 August 2005 - 07:11
#6
Posted 30 August 2005 - 07:12
Regarding the Amon sticker, Gary, next time you see this chap, ask him, please!
#7
Posted 30 August 2005 - 07:25
#8
Posted 30 August 2005 - 07:32
#9
Posted 30 August 2005 - 07:37
#10
Posted 30 August 2005 - 08:57
Why is it though that so many drivers just look far too large for the car they are driving? We see it so many times. Is it simply the build of the chap, do they have a different seat from period or could it be the illusion of wearing a modern larger helmet? For me Frank Sytner does it properly, it may be considered dangerous these days but driving his ex-Hobbs T70 will open face helmet and mask just looks 'right' - how it should be.
#11
Posted 30 August 2005 - 10:03
You picked the best day Barry, Monday morning was miserable, but the sun did break through at lunchtime.
A small contribution from me...
FJ Gemini Mk4A - Oliver Crossthwaite
AC Cobra Le Mans - Lynn/Kivlochan
Aston Martin DB3S - Bennett/Rollason
Elva Mk.7S - Ivan Scotti
FJ Elva 100 - David Watts
Lancia Flavia Zagato - Mark Hoble
F2 Lotus 69 - Andy Middlehurst
FJ OSCA - Peter Mullen
Finally.. what is this? The badge on the nosecone IIRC said 'SFR - TS' - it does not ring any bells with me
#12
Posted 30 August 2005 - 10:04
Cooper T45 - Mike Haywood
David
#13
Posted 30 August 2005 - 10:26
Originally posted by Rob Ryder
.....Finally.. what is this? The badge on the nosecone IIRC said 'SFR - TS' - it does not ring any bells with me
Could it be a hillclimb car from the sixties or seventies?
That would probably be the answer... though from what I've seen around here lately, it could well be a Canadian built FFord that someone's got and 'made safer' for historic racing.
#14
Posted 30 August 2005 - 11:15
Mike Haywood's Cooper T45 - but not the owner at the wheel, I thinkOriginally posted by David Lawson
I can understand drivers feeling more secure in a modern full face helmet but by painting it in keeping with the period of the car they are racing makes such a difference, this photograph I took at this years Brands Hatch Superprix illustrates this well I think.
Cooper T45 - Mike Haywood
David
#15
Posted 30 August 2005 - 11:21
Originally posted by Ray Bell
Could it be a hillclimb car from the sixties or seventies?
That would probably be the answer... though from what I've seen around here lately, it could well be a Canadian built FFord that someone's got and 'made safer' for historic racing.
It's a F5000 Lola (T192?) converted into a 2-seater to give punters a backseat ride; it was at the Historic Motor Racing show this year.
Paul M
#16
Posted 30 August 2005 - 11:28
#17
Posted 30 August 2005 - 12:17
The cars flanking it are much more interesting. 2 of the very many beautifully prepared Chevron 'open-wheelers' (why did they use this term rather than 'single seaters'?) these being Nick Shrigley Fiegls B28, and the similarly liveried B29 of Jo Sebastian. I assume the cars/drivers are linked in some way.
#18
Posted 30 August 2005 - 13:00
'Lorina McLaughlin was also present, in the garages, as was former member Jo Sebastian who was looking after the journalists and customers taking rides in Nick Shrigley-Feigl’s two seater Formula 5000.'
So it belongs to Shrigley-Feigl but no metion of it's origin.
I think my prize for the most worried expression of the weekend goes to Jo as she tried to get her B29 through the paddock crowd to the collection area... lots of power and slow speed.. I didn't know ladies used THAT kind of language
#19
Posted 30 August 2005 - 13:37
Originally posted by Macca
It's a F5000 Lola (T192?) converted into a 2-seater to give punters a backseat ride; it was at the Historic Motor Racing show this year.
Paul M
Surely the nose isn't from either a T190 or a T192? Aren't there any proper ones left?
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#20
Posted 30 August 2005 - 16:35
http://www.channel4....ix_page_15.html
I also saw it at the Silverstone classic.
#21
Posted 30 August 2005 - 18:47
Wasn't it a monocoque, Dan?Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Roger and I also had to have a good think about this one. A board next to it implied that it had been built recently, I presume from old T190/192 parts. Anyone know anything more ?
#22
Posted 30 August 2005 - 18:59
The sun came out eventually and in some ways the meeting was better than I expected.
The Chevrons were very pretty….
Graeme Dodd drove hard in his Cooper Monaco to catch Philip Walker’s Lotus 15
Martin Stretton and Sean Walker were entertaining in their Elan 26Rs
But the meeting should have been called the Simon Hadfield Show, really....he won in three different cars on Monday
#23
Posted 30 August 2005 - 20:26
I was there for all three days, but the Retro Track and Air transporter wasn't ... the agreed meeting place disappeared on Sunday.Originally posted by David Beard
Sorry I missed you Rob: I was only there on Monday.
The sun came out eventually and in some ways the meeting was better than I expected.
Without a reference point to meet was going to be difficult. I wandered around looking for badges but no luck. Maybe next time?
Now we are on to page two I'll post a few more photos tomorrow if anyone is interested.
Rob
#24
Posted 30 August 2005 - 20:37
Originally posted by Rob Ryder
I was there for all three days, but the Retro Track and Air transporter wasn't
Roger kept referring to it as the "Retro Track & Field" transporter, which I thought was why it was hard to find ;)
#25
Posted 30 August 2005 - 20:45
[B]May I start the ball a'rollin with a few images from the Gold Cup meeting. I was only there on Sunday.
Thanks Barry, some lovely pictures.
But why was this Eagle at the so-called "Gold Cup" meeting
Thanks
#26
Posted 30 August 2005 - 21:01
#27
Posted 30 August 2005 - 21:12
Originally posted by Barry Boor
May I start the ball a'rollin with a few images from the Gold Cup meeting. I was only there on Sunday.
Ive just noted the Lotus 72esque cooling slots on top of the nose. Did it have inboard front brakes?
#28
Posted 30 August 2005 - 21:16
#30
Posted 31 August 2005 - 07:29
#31
Posted 31 August 2005 - 07:49
#32
Posted 31 August 2005 - 08:12
Originally posted by David Lawson
I can understand drivers feeling more secure in a modern full face helmet but by painting it in keeping with the period of the car they are racing makes such a difference, this photograph I took at this years Brands Hatch Superprix illustrates this well I think.
Cooper T45 - Mike Haywood
David
Is the Cooper in Tommy Atkins colours?
#33
Posted 31 August 2005 - 08:18
#34
Posted 31 August 2005 - 11:12
The green's brighter in real life than it appears in the picture (here we go again....)
#35
Posted 31 August 2005 - 12:10
Is this the car that features on the cover of John Medley's Bathurst book?
#36
Posted 31 August 2005 - 13:35
AntoineOriginally posted by Pils1989
Was my uncle Teddy there btw? Did he drive a car or something?
Teddy was there but did not drive. After the Chevron single seater race he and Brian Redman gave interviews on the podium. I didn't get a photo, sorry
I would loved to have seen him behind the wheel of an F5000 again
Rob
#37
Posted 31 August 2005 - 15:30
Originally posted by Ray Bell
It'll be okay if Dick Willis posts a colour pic of his car then...
Is this the car that features on the cover of John Medley's Bathurst book?
Not sure without checking, but I think so
#38
Posted 31 August 2005 - 17:06
F Atlantic Chevron B29 - Josephine Sebastian
F3 Delta T79 - Warren Moye
F5000 Chevron B28 (?) not raced
F2 Kitchener K4B - Patrick Sumner
FJ Moorland Mk.1 - William Grimshaw
F2 Brabham BT30 - Neil Glover
FJ Cooper T56 - Peter Jackson
FJ Terrier Mk IV - Derek Walker
F2 Cooper T82 BRM - Paul Busby
F2/3 Merlyn Mk.9 - John Bladon
Back tomorrow with some GTs and sportscar if no-one objects
#39
Posted 31 August 2005 - 17:23
Originally posted by Rob Ryder
Antoine
Teddy was there but did not drive. After the Chevron single seater race he and Brian Redman gave interviews on the podium. I didn't get a photo, sorry
I would loved to have seen him behind the wheel of an F5000 again
Rob
Yes, he should have had a go on the track!
I will call him me het gets back home.
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#40
Posted 31 August 2005 - 17:41
Rob, what is this horrible thing?! There was one on display at the Blenheim Palace air display the other week, I think.Originally posted by Rob Ryder
#41
Posted 31 August 2005 - 18:01
Originally posted by Twin Window
Rob, what is this horrible thing?! There was one on display at the Blenheim Palace air display the other week, I think.
Formula Junior Terrier Mk.IV with Derek Walker at the wheel.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I'll go back and add a few captions...
#42
Posted 31 August 2005 - 18:15
#43
Posted 31 August 2005 - 18:17
Originally posted by Twin Window
Rob, what is this horrible thing?! There was one on display at the Blenheim Palace air display the other week, I think.
The Terrier is horrible
It would be nicer in green, like most things, but other than that I think it's great.
#44
Posted 31 August 2005 - 19:57
Originally posted by Rob Ryder
Some more from Oulton.. hope you see something you like
F5000 Chevron B29 - Josephine Sebastian
B29s were F2 or F.Atlantic cars
F5000 Chevron B28 (?) not raced
Could this be the one-off B32 hillclimb car? Was the B32 ever raced?
Back tomorrow with some GTs and sportscar if no-one objects
Keep 'em coming Rob - great stuff.
#45
Posted 31 August 2005 - 20:17
Originally posted by Mac Lark
B29s were F2 or F.Atlantic cars
F5000 Chevron B28 (?) not raced
Could this be the one-off B32 hillclimb car? Was the B32 ever raced?
Thanks for spotting my deliberate mistake on Jo's car .. confusion with Nick Shrigley-Feigl's #62 which IS an F5000 (original caption edited)
As to the B28(?) / B32.. if it is the B32 hillclimb car why would it have 'Brian Redman' on the cockpit side
Rob
#46
Posted 31 August 2005 - 20:26
...seen here at Shelsley a tad over 30 years ago?
The nose is different, but that's not too unusual. Without checking, the flanks of the car look too slim to be a B28.
As for the 'Bredman' name, that's not unique either - think of some of the other cars liveried-up so they appear as cars driven by others! There's a new-in-1973 BRM P160 now in 1971 Yardley spec for starters...
#47
Posted 31 August 2005 - 20:40
#48
Posted 31 August 2005 - 21:36
The Terrier Mk IV formula junior was, of course, the work of Len Terry. It had a fairly idealised space frame structure, and only the tail fairing and nose cone incorporated compund curvature - all other panels were single curvature for ease of manufacture.
Want to see a really ugly formula junior car:
(Copyright unknown - IIRC it stems from some hill-climbing site)
The very, er, individual Derossi...I think it's one of the ugliest ever racing cars - worse, even, than soem South American Formula Vees. Even my ugly Formula Vee isn't as ugly as that...
Makes the Terrier a real beaut' in comparison, doesn't it...
#49
Posted 31 August 2005 - 22:18
Isn't that the B32 that Redman drove in a match race against Phil Read's Yamaha on the sle of Man TT circuit?Originally posted by Rob Ryder
As to the B28(?) / B32.. if it is the B32 hillclimb car why would it have 'Brian Redman' on the cockpit side
Rob
#50
Posted 01 September 2005 - 01:30
Even if the 'older' drivers could not race, a parade of cars/drivers would have been better than nothing.
Tim Schenken (1968 Lombank F3 Champion) in a B9
Peter Gethin (1973 Race of Champions winner) in the Marathon liveried B24
Teddy Pilette (1973 Rothmans Champion) in a B24
Riccardo Patrese (1976 European F3 Champion) in a B34
John Lepp (1976 British Champion) in a B26
Keke Rosberg (1979 Tasman Champion) in a B39
Derek Daly (BP F3 Champion) in a B38
and many others with a Chevron connection… (insert your favourite here)
… even Tiff Needell in the Chevron B41 DFV!!
Maybe they were there, but I missed them?
Maybe they were all too busy
Just a thought, but it did not spoil a cracking weekend .
Rob