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#1 Barry Boor

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Posted 29 August 2005 - 20:40

May I start the ball a'rollin with a few images from the Gold Cup meeting. I was only there on Sunday.

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...and then there was this....

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Roger and I could not work out the reasoning behind the word AMON on the cockpit side.

(This is NOT another attempt to start an Amon thread!)

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#2 David McKinney

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 05:35

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Roger and I could not work out the reasoning behind the word AMON on the cockpit side.[/B]

I'm sure it's some up before, but can't remember what the answer was

#3 Ray Bell

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 05:40

Is that also a Bruce McLaren Motor Racing sticker on that bent nose?

What the hell has happened to that Milano?

#4 Mac Lark

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 05:49

I thought it was a BMMR sticker too.

And just to 'cap' it off - is that an Edmund Irvine helmet?

#5 Gary C

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 07:11

Looks like an HSCC sticker to me ( I should know!!), and yes, John Bladon always uses an old Eddie Irvine lid. I've no idea why he has 'Amon' on the side of the car, but it's always been there.

#6 Barry Boor

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 07:12

Regarding the Irvine helmet, we thought so!

Regarding the Amon sticker, Gary, next time you see this chap, ask him, please!

#7 Gary C

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 07:25

regarding the Irvine lid - it's 'orrible, isn't it?

#8 Ted Walker

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 07:32

Chris Amon did in fact drive that Merlyn in 1000cc F2 with an SCA engine.Its now fitted with a twin cam. John Bladon also owns an M1 Mclaren as well hence the sticker !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#9 Ted Walker

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 07:37

Its an HSCC Sticker NOT a Mclaren one. The first photo is course the Eagle,unfortunatly it did not run due to an engine push rod failure.

#10 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 08:57

Modern style F1 helmets should be banned from historic racing. I cannot understand why John wears it. They just look horrible! Especially when it is an Irvine one who had/has no interest whatsoever in the history of his sport.
Why is it though that so many drivers just look far too large for the car they are driving? We see it so many times. Is it simply the build of the chap, do they have a different seat from period or could it be the illusion of wearing a modern larger helmet? For me Frank Sytner does it properly, it may be considered dangerous these days but driving his ex-Hobbs T70 will open face helmet and mask just looks 'right' - how it should be.

#11 Rob Ryder

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 10:03

It was good to finally meet Barry, Roger, Ted and Carlos.. all wearing TNF badges :wave:

You picked the best day Barry, Monday morning was miserable, but the sun did break through at lunchtime.

A small contribution from me...

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FJ Gemini Mk4A - Oliver Crossthwaite
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AC Cobra Le Mans - Lynn/Kivlochan
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Aston Martin DB3S - Bennett/Rollason
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FJ Elva 100 - David Watts
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Lancia Flavia Zagato - Mark Hoble
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F2 Lotus 69 - Andy Middlehurst
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FJ OSCA - Peter Mullen

Finally.. what is this? The badge on the nosecone IIRC said 'SFR - TS' - it does not ring any bells with me :confused:
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#12 David Lawson

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 10:04

I can understand drivers feeling more secure in a modern full face helmet but by painting it in keeping with the period of the car they are racing makes such a difference, this photograph I took at this years Brands Hatch Superprix illustrates this well I think.

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Cooper T45 - Mike Haywood

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#13 Ray Bell

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 10:26

Originally posted by Rob Ryder
.....Finally.. what is this? The badge on the nosecone IIRC said 'SFR - TS' - it does not ring any bells with me :confused:
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Could it be a hillclimb car from the sixties or seventies?

That would probably be the answer... though from what I've seen around here lately, it could well be a Canadian built FFord that someone's got and 'made safer' for historic racing.

#14 David McKinney

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 11:15

Originally posted by David Lawson
I can understand drivers feeling more secure in a modern full face helmet but by painting it in keeping with the period of the car they are racing makes such a difference, this photograph I took at this years Brands Hatch Superprix illustrates this well I think.

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Cooper T45 - Mike Haywood

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Mike Haywood's Cooper T45 - but not the owner at the wheel, I think

#15 Macca

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 11:21

Originally posted by Ray Bell


Could it be a hillclimb car from the sixties or seventies?

That would probably be the answer... though from what I've seen around here lately, it could well be a Canadian built FFord that someone's got and 'made safer' for historic racing.



It's a F5000 Lola (T192?) converted into a 2-seater to give punters a backseat ride; it was at the Historic Motor Racing show this year.


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#16 Rob Ryder

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 11:28

Cheers Paul.. I can have a good nights sleep now ;)

#17 Mallory Dan

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 12:17

Roger and I also had to have a good think about this one. A board next to it implied that it had been built recently, I presume from old T190/192 parts. Anyone know anything more ?

The cars flanking it are much more interesting. 2 of the very many beautifully prepared Chevron 'open-wheelers' (why did they use this term rather than 'single seaters'?) these being Nick Shrigley Fiegls B28, and the similarly liveried B29 of Jo Sebastian. I assume the cars/drivers are linked in some way.

#18 Rob Ryder

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 13:00

The two-seater gets a mention in the BWDRC report on the May Silverstone meeting..

'Lorina McLaughlin was also present, in the garages, as was former member Jo Sebastian who was looking after the journalists and customers taking rides in Nick Shrigley-Feigl’s two seater Formula 5000.'

So it belongs to Shrigley-Feigl but no metion of it's origin.

I think my prize for the most worried expression of the weekend goes to Jo as she tried to get her B29 through the paddock crowd to the collection area... lots of power and slow speed.. I didn't know ladies used THAT kind of language :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 13:37

Originally posted by Macca



It's a F5000 Lola (T192?) converted into a 2-seater to give punters a backseat ride; it was at the Historic Motor Racing show this year.


Paul M


Surely the nose isn't from either a T190 or a T192? Aren't there any proper ones left?

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#20 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 16:35

Lovely photos fellas thanks. Did a 'google' and more photos of the F5000 2-seater here.
http://www.channel4....ix_page_15.html
I also saw it at the Silverstone classic.

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 18:47

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Roger and I also had to have a good think about this one. A board next to it implied that it had been built recently, I presume from old T190/192 parts. Anyone know anything more ?

Wasn't it a monocoque, Dan?

#22 David Beard

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 18:59

Sorry I missed you Rob: I was only there on Monday.
The sun came out eventually and in some ways the meeting was better than I expected.

The Chevrons were very pretty….
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Graeme Dodd drove hard in his Cooper Monaco to catch Philip Walker’s Lotus 15
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Martin Stretton and Sean Walker were entertaining in their Elan 26Rs
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But the meeting should have been called the Simon Hadfield Show, really....he won in three different cars on Monday
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#23 Rob Ryder

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 20:26

Originally posted by David Beard
Sorry I missed you Rob: I was only there on Monday.
The sun came out eventually and in some ways the meeting was better than I expected.

I was there for all three days, but the Retro Track and Air transporter wasn't :cry: ... the agreed meeting place disappeared on Sunday.
Without a reference point to meet was going to be difficult. I wandered around looking for badges but no luck. Maybe next time?

Now we are on to page two I'll post a few more photos tomorrow if anyone is interested.
Rob

#24 David Beard

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 20:37

Originally posted by Rob Ryder

I was there for all three days, but the Retro Track and Air transporter wasn't :cry:


Roger kept referring to it as the "Retro Track & Field" transporter, which I thought was why it was hard to find ;)

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 20:45

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Barry Boor
[B]May I start the ball a'rollin with a few images from the Gold Cup meeting. I was only there on Sunday.

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Thanks Barry, some lovely pictures.

But why was this Eagle at the so-called "Gold Cup" meeting :confused:

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#26 Barry Boor

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 21:01

The meeting included races for the Derek Bell Trophy series which allows single-seaters from more or less any category - especially F.5000.

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 21:12

Originally posted by Barry Boor
May I start the ball a'rollin with a few images from the Gold Cup meeting. I was only there on Sunday.

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Ive just noted the Lotus 72esque cooling slots on top of the nose. Did it have inboard front brakes?

#28 Barry Boor

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 21:16

I couldn't say if it ever did - this one certainly hasn't.

#29 Ray Bell

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 21:47

Originally posted by David Beard
The Chevrons were very pretty….
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An understatement!

.....Martin Stretton and Sean Walker were entertaining in their Elan 26Rs
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Why do the haunches on these cars look a bit big?

#30 Ted Walker

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 07:29

The EAGLE was I beleive one of 3 5000s built and it is based on the Indy Car that was fitted with lotus 72 type front suspension. The Retro Transporter disapeared on Sundy night because the "Monday Cars" Broke.

#31 Pils1989

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 07:49

Was my uncle Teddy there btw? Did he drive a car or something?

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 08:12

Originally posted by David Lawson
I can understand drivers feeling more secure in a modern full face helmet but by painting it in keeping with the period of the car they are racing makes such a difference, this photograph I took at this years Brands Hatch Superprix illustrates this well I think.

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Cooper T45 - Mike Haywood

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Is the Cooper in Tommy Atkins colours?

#33 Barry Boor

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 08:18

No, definitely not Tommy Atkins.

#34 David McKinney

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 11:12

Alec Mildren, actually

The green's brighter in real life than it appears in the picture (here we go again....)

#35 Ray Bell

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 12:10

It'll be okay if Dick Willis posts a colour pic of his car then...

Is this the car that features on the cover of John Medley's Bathurst book?

#36 Rob Ryder

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 13:35

Originally posted by Pils1989
Was my uncle Teddy there btw? Did he drive a car or something?

Antoine
Teddy was there but did not drive. After the Chevron single seater race he and Brian Redman gave interviews on the podium. I didn't get a photo, sorry :(
I would loved to have seen him behind the wheel of an F5000 again :love:
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Posted 31 August 2005 - 15:30

Originally posted by Ray Bell
It'll be okay if Dick Willis posts a colour pic of his car then...

Is this the car that features on the cover of John Medley's Bathurst book?


Not sure without checking, but I think so

#38 Rob Ryder

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 17:06

Some more from Oulton.. hope you see something you like

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F Atlantic Chevron B29 - Josephine Sebastian

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F3 Delta T79 - Warren Moye

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F5000 Chevron B28 (?) not raced

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F2 Kitchener K4B - Patrick Sumner

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FJ Moorland Mk.1 - William Grimshaw

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F2 Brabham BT30 - Neil Glover

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FJ Cooper T56 - Peter Jackson

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FJ Terrier Mk IV - Derek Walker

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F2 Cooper T82 BRM - Paul Busby

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F2/3 Merlyn Mk.9 - John Bladon

Back tomorrow with some GTs and sportscar if no-one objects :)

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 17:23

Originally posted by Rob Ryder

Antoine
Teddy was there but did not drive. After the Chevron single seater race he and Brian Redman gave interviews on the podium. I didn't get a photo, sorry :(
I would loved to have seen him behind the wheel of an F5000 again :love:
Rob


Yes, he should have had a go on the track!
I will call him me het gets back home.

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 17:41

Originally posted by Rob Ryder


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Rob, what is this horrible thing?! There was one on display at the Blenheim Palace air display the other week, I think.

#41 Rob Ryder

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 18:01

Originally posted by Twin Window
Rob, what is this horrible thing?! There was one on display at the Blenheim Palace air display the other week, I think.


Formula Junior Terrier Mk.IV with Derek Walker at the wheel.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :D

I'll go back and add a few captions... :blush:

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 18:15

So it is an historic car then? It looks like a replica type of thing to me!

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 18:17

Originally posted by Twin Window
Rob, what is this horrible thing?! There was one on display at the Blenheim Palace air display the other week, I think.


The Terrier is horrible :confused:

It would be nicer in green, like most things, but other than that I think it's great.

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 19:57

Originally posted by Rob Ryder
Some more from Oulton.. hope you see something you like

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F5000 Chevron B29 - Josephine Sebastian

B29s were F2 or F.Atlantic cars

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F5000 Chevron B28 (?) not raced

Could this be the one-off B32 hillclimb car? Was the B32 ever raced?


Back tomorrow with some GTs and sportscar if no-one objects :)


Keep 'em coming Rob - great stuff.

#45 Rob Ryder

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 20:17

Originally posted by Mac Lark
B29s were F2 or F.Atlantic cars

F5000 Chevron B28 (?) not raced
Could this be the one-off B32 hillclimb car? Was the B32 ever raced?


Thanks for spotting my deliberate mistake on Jo's car :blush: :blush: :) .. confusion with Nick Shrigley-Feigl's #62 which IS an F5000 (original caption edited)

As to the B28(?) / B32.. if it is the B32 hillclimb car why would it have 'Brian Redman' on the cockpit side :confused:
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Posted 31 August 2005 - 20:26

Could the white car be the John Cussins B32...

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...seen here at Shelsley a tad over 30 years ago?

The nose is different, but that's not too unusual. Without checking, the flanks of the car look too slim to be a B28.

As for the 'Bredman' name, that's not unique either - think of some of the other cars liveried-up so they appear as cars driven by others! There's a new-in-1973 BRM P160 now in 1971 Yardley spec for starters...

#47 Rob Ryder

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 20:40

It was at Oulton.. it carried 'Force F5000' stickers.. so someone out there must know :|

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 21:36

Twinny,

The Terrier Mk IV formula junior was, of course, the work of Len Terry. It had a fairly idealised space frame structure, and only the tail fairing and nose cone incorporated compund curvature - all other panels were single curvature for ease of manufacture.

Want to see a really ugly formula junior car:

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(Copyright unknown - IIRC it stems from some hill-climbing site)

The very, er, individual Derossi...I think it's one of the ugliest ever racing cars - worse, even, than soem South American Formula Vees. Even my ugly Formula Vee isn't as ugly as that...

Makes the Terrier a real beaut' in comparison, doesn't it...

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 22:18

Originally posted by Rob Ryder




As to the B28(?) / B32.. if it is the B32 hillclimb car why would it have 'Brian Redman' on the cockpit side :confused:
Rob

Isn't that the B32 that Redman drove in a match race against Phil Read's Yamaha on the sle of Man TT circuit?

#50 Rob Ryder

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 01:30

Was I the only one that was disappointed at the showing (not) of famous Chevron driver/car combinations at Oulton Park, Brian Redman and John Burton excepted? It was supposed to be a Chevron Celebration and we had three Chevron only races and numerous plugs for the Derek Bennet book.. that was it! Even the participants in the Chevron single-seater and sportscar races were the normal drivers... Teddy Pilette did not don overalls :cry: .

Even if the 'older' drivers could not race, a parade of cars/drivers would have been better than nothing.

Tim Schenken (1968 Lombank F3 Champion) in a B9
Peter Gethin (1973 Race of Champions winner) in the Marathon liveried B24
Teddy Pilette (1973 Rothmans Champion) in a B24
Riccardo Patrese (1976 European F3 Champion) in a B34
John Lepp (1976 British Champion) in a B26
Keke Rosberg (1979 Tasman Champion) in a B39
Derek Daly (BP F3 Champion) in a B38
and many others with a Chevron connection… (insert your favourite here)
… even Tiff Needell in the Chevron B41 DFV!!

Maybe they were there, but I missed them?
Maybe they were all too busy :mad:

Just a thought, but it did not spoil a cracking weekend :up: .
Rob