GP drivers on bikes
#1
Posted 26 October 2005 - 10:41
It reminded of the story of Patrick Depailler, who sneaked off and had a go on the ELF endurance bike at Paul Ricard (?), complete in nomex. The story hs it that Ken Tyrrell returned to ask where hi driver was, to which all eys swung to the track, albiet that his car was parked outside the garage. Ken was not best pleased!!
I know of motorcycle races that switched to cars, or tried them (Surtees, Anderson, Sheene, Cecotto etc etc) but how many GP drivers have had a go on a GP bike??
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#2
Posted 26 October 2005 - 11:31
Originally posted by f1steveuk
I was not surprised that no pictures of Michael Schumacher's run on a Ducati GP bike were released, shame though.
And there are loads more out there.
#3
Posted 26 October 2005 - 11:34
Bear in mind that Patrick Depailler was a Bike GP racer before he raced cars (I'll dig out the details when I get a chance)
#4
Posted 26 October 2005 - 11:46
Originally posted by Gav Astill
Good question - I'll put my mind to it seeing as I am an equal Bike / Car fan
Bear in mind that Patrick Depailler was a Bike GP racer before he raced cars (I'll dig out the details when I get a chance)
As I said I'm aware that many GP drivers started on bikes, Im curious how many have felt the need to revisit not just bikes, but GP bikes!
#5
Posted 26 October 2005 - 11:56
#6
Posted 26 October 2005 - 11:58
Behra, Beltoise, Rosemeyer, Varzi, Nuvolari, D.Hill, Loof, Ulmen, Icks, .......
#7
Posted 26 October 2005 - 12:18
Originally posted by Hugo Boecker
will you count only WC-GP's from 49 onwards or will look to top-line and topline national Motorcycle races then
Behra, Beltoise, Rosemeyer, Varzi, Nuvolari, D.Hill, Loof, Ulmen, Icks, .......
What! They all went back to have a go on bikes?
#8
Posted 26 October 2005 - 13:26
#9
Posted 26 October 2005 - 14:21
#10
Posted 26 October 2005 - 14:27
#11
Posted 26 October 2005 - 14:29
Originally posted by David McKinney
Seven replies to date - and none of them addressing the poster's question
Not a problem! It was nice to use my brain regarding Beltoise!
#12
Posted 26 October 2005 - 14:58
Would sidecar racing be in any way closer? A la Jenks (heh) and Rolf Biland.
Paddy Driver MIGHT fit the bill, he had a couple of F1 races in 1963ish and went back to the bikes. Certainly Mike Hailwood would. But again these are bikers who went car racing and back to bikes, rather than someone using F3 as a stepping stone to MotoGP.
#13
Posted 26 October 2005 - 15:36
#14
Posted 26 October 2005 - 16:57
Of non F1 guys, Al Unser Sr and Jr, Joe Leonard, Rick Mears, etc.
#15
Posted 26 October 2005 - 18:05
Does this fit?Originally posted by David McKinney
Seven replies to date - and none of them addressing the poster's question
#16
Posted 26 October 2005 - 18:21
#17
Posted 26 October 2005 - 18:27
No, but that wasn't the question that was asked.Originally posted by David McKinney
Is he racing?
#18
Posted 26 October 2005 - 20:33
(Is it Jeck Brem?)
#19
Posted 26 October 2005 - 20:48
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#20
Posted 26 October 2005 - 21:31
#21
Posted 26 October 2005 - 21:41
#22
Posted 26 October 2005 - 22:32
youre absolutly right.Originally posted by f1steveuk
I thought surgeons locked Beltoise's elbow after his 1964 Reims accident in his Rene-Bonnet? Surgeons wanted to amputate buthis team mate (Laureau?) persaded them to allow an operation on Paris, or am I thinking of someone else??
#23
Posted 26 October 2005 - 22:37
#24
Posted 26 October 2005 - 22:46
#25
Posted 26 October 2005 - 22:56
Anderson, Ascari, Barth, Behra, Beltoise, Biondetti, Brambilla, Cecotto, Driver, Hailwood, Hill, Hocking, Lawson, Nuvolari, Ongais, de Radiguès, Rosemeyer, Rosier, Rymer, Serafini, Siffert, Slight, Surtees, Taruffi, Varzi.
Luca Cadalora tried racing an Italian Touring Car during his motorcycle GP career, and John Reynolds did a Ford Fiesta race a few years ago.
#26
Posted 26 October 2005 - 23:09
Yes, he stopped off in Japan on his way back to Europe after the 1964 Australian races. According to his column in Motor Racing his main purpose was to try the S600 which BRO entered for Denny Hulme in the Nurburg 500kms later that year. He also says that he drove a "test vehicle fitted with a GP engine" but "never got a smell of the proper GP machine". He gives no clue as to what the test vehicle was.Originally posted by David McKinney
Touché
(Is it Jeck Brem?)
#27
Posted 27 October 2005 - 00:54
Originally posted by FLB
Didn't Mario Andretti try a GP (500cc) bike at Laguna Seca in the 1980s? IIRC, didn't he come pretty close to competitive times as well?
I think it may have been in 1991. I've seen footage of him coming down the corkscrew on a Marlboro Yamaha with the number 16 (unsure of the significance of the number). Would the ride have happened around the time of the USGP at Laguna?
#28
Posted 27 October 2005 - 04:28
Mo.
#29
Posted 27 October 2005 - 06:48
Anyway, Christian Sarron had a go in the F1 Larrousse-Lola, and Philippe Alliot embarked on the factory YZR500 Yamaha .
The reports were that relatively speaking, Alliot ( used to driving two-wheels on the road ) went much better on the bike than Sarron did in the F1 car ( I seem to remember that Christian started off by spinning on the cold tyres as he was accelerating out of the pits ....)
#31
Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:36
#32
Posted 27 October 2005 - 14:24
Again not a contemporary GP bike, but Berger also had a crack at the Bazza memorial trophy at Goodwood this year.
#34
Posted 28 October 2005 - 19:50
#35
Posted 29 October 2005 - 20:41
That is funny!!!
#36
Posted 30 October 2005 - 11:22
It was a Marlboro Yamaha of Luca Cadalora that he was riding - Randy rode in Luca's colours....
#37
Posted 23 January 2010 - 20:39
#38
Posted 24 January 2010 - 09:04
#39
Posted 27 January 2010 - 17:01
Ian Ashley 1998 sidecars
Edgar Barth 50s years MZ
Jean Behra 1951 France GP
Vittorio Brambilla 1969 Italy GP(Paton)
Patrick Depailler 1966 France GP-250cc-6th place
Jacky Ickx 1963 Belgian GP 50 and 125 cc
Guy Ligier 50s years France GP
Nello Pagani 1949 WC 125cc
Jo Siffert 1959 sidecar
Kunimitsu Takahashi raced in GP and TT events
and others who raced at bike:
Alberto Ascari, Marcel Balsa, Trevor Blokdyk, Adolf Brudes, Bernard Collomb, Yannick Dalmas, Paul Frère, Damon Hill, Hermann Lang, Arthur Legat, Ernst Loof, Roger Loyer, André Milhoux, Brausch Niemann, Louis Rosier, Ian Scheckter, Dorino Serafini, Piero Taruffi, Toni Ulmen...
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#40
Posted 27 January 2010 - 21:21
Brausch Niemann? That´s news to me. I knew Brausch fairly well and he never mentioned his bike racing exploits. Can you elaborate?My list things:
Ian Ashley 1998 sidecars
Edgar Barth 50s years MZ
Jean Behra 1951 France GP
Vittorio Brambilla 1969 Italy GP(Paton)
Patrick Depailler 1966 France GP-250cc-6th place
Jacky Ickx 1963 Belgian GP 50 and 125 cc
Guy Ligier 50s years France GP
Nello Pagani 1949 WC 125cc
Jo Siffert 1959 sidecar
Kunimitsu Takahashi raced in GP and TT events
and others who raced at bike:
Alberto Ascari, Marcel Balsa, Trevor Blokdyk, Adolf Brudes, Bernard Collomb, Yannick Dalmas, Paul Frère, Damon Hill, Hermann Lang, Arthur Legat, Ernst Loof, Roger Loyer, André Milhoux, Brausch Niemann, Louis Rosier, Ian Scheckter, Dorino Serafini, Piero Taruffi, Toni Ulmen...
#41
Posted 28 January 2010 - 14:56
http://en.wikipedia....Brausch_Niemann
http://forums.autosp...php/t76755.html
http://www.dispatch....ures/MOTOR1.HTM
http://www.superspor...t...099&print=1
#42
Posted 28 January 2010 - 20:31
Thanks for that sramoa. I last saw Brausch in about 1973, so I didn´t know about his 2 wheel experiences. One lives and learns.I think he(B. Niemann) was an enduro Champion in 1979(O.K. not GP!)
http://en.wikipedia....Brausch_Niemann
http://forums.autosp...php/t76755.html
http://www.dispatch....ures/MOTOR1.HTM
http://www.superspor...t...099&print=1
#45
Posted 01 February 2010 - 12:10
His brother Ian was pretty usefull on two wheels. He decided to concentrate on 4 wheels though, and ended up many times SA F1 champion. Nice guy as well.
Edit. Sorry. The Luccinelli Suzuki it is. Not Uncini´s. And it looks more like Donny, doesn´t it. Oh well, I suppose someone will know .
Edited by ex Rhodie racer 2, 01 February 2010 - 12:14.
#46
Posted 01 February 2010 - 12:27
That´s Jody Schechter. I think that pic was taken at Silverstone where he had a run on Uncuni´s Gallina Suzuki. He was trying to put some sort of super series together I think, along the lines of Robert´s world series. Or am I just imagining this?
His brother Ian was pretty usefull on two wheels. He decided to concentrate on 4 wheels though, and ended up many times SA F1 champion. Nice guy as well.
Edit. Sorry. The Luccinelli Suzuki it is. Not Uncini´s. And it looks more like Donny, doesn´t it. Oh well, I suppose someone will know .
Yes Russ and Rhodie ............sounds like a double act you're both right It's Jody , on Marco's factory RG at Donington , where he lapped pretty quickly , with the other works riders to promote the Jody Schechter Winter Cup which was run the same weekend , Sat / Sun 29 /30 August 1981 , with an entry list of enviable proportions you name 'em , they were there ( try doing that now !! )
#47
Posted 05 February 2010 - 22:30
#48
Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:44
I can recall Jody doing more laps than he was allowed and getting off with an ear to ear grin. That was a good event IIRC, as you say a decent starting lineup.Yes Russ and Rhodie ............sounds like a double act you're both right It's Jody , on Marco's factory RG at Donington , where he lapped pretty quickly , with the other works riders to promote the Jody Schechter Winter Cup which was run the same weekend , Sat / Sun 29 /30 August 1981 , with an entry list of enviable proportions you name 'em , they were there ( try doing that now !! )