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#151 Jerry Entin

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Posted 23 May 2009 - 02:21

David:
Hap Sharp's T-57 Cooper Monaco was chassis CM/1/61. He took it to its first victory at Galveston in July 1961, still with fins. Additional victories in 1962 came at Savannah and Stuttgart [both in May], and of course the October Times GP with Brabham driving and that 2.7 Indy engine in its bay. Back to original 2.5-liter configuration, the car won the Governor's Trophy at Nassau in December 1962 with Hap aboard. In February 1963 Sharp lent it to Jim Hall who won the Daytona USRRC, after which Sharp scored at Midland in May 1963.

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#152 David McKinney

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Posted 23 May 2009 - 06:10

I wasn't questioning what the car was, Jerry, simply that it wasn't known as a T57 at the time :)

#153 RA Historian

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Posted 23 May 2009 - 13:49

I wasn't questioning what the car was, Jerry, simply that it wasn't known as a T57 at the time :)

Well, that is not exactly right. I do recall Coopers being identified in various publications by type numbers back then. I think the first I saw probably was in 1960 or so, with a lowline F-1 being called a T-53 in a magazine of the day. Granted, never saw Cooper type numbers before then, but from '60 on they were common. The debut of Cooper's works F-1 car in early 1961 called it the T-55 and made a point of differentiating it from the customer T-53. I recall reading an article on the debut of the T-57 that did call it a T-57, so I do not think that the numbering of Coopers of that erar is retroactive. I suppose that I could pull out those magazines, but to be honest just do not have the time nor the inclination right now to go and dig through boxes and boxes piled one ontop of the other.

Back then I kept meticulous notebooks of the results of every major race in the US, culling my notes from all the magazines of the day. My hand written notes from 1961 also say 'T-57'.

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#154 David McKinney

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Posted 23 May 2009 - 14:09

You surprise me, Tom

But as I'm not inclined to pull out all my magazines either, we'll have to agree to differ. I don't recall Cooper type numbers as early as that...

#155 RA Historian

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Posted 23 May 2009 - 17:42

we'll have to agree to differ.

Agreed.


#156 Jerry Entin

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Posted 24 May 2009 - 00:27

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Here is Jim Hall in Hap Sharp's T57 Monaco, on his way to victory in the 1963 Daytona USRRC race.

He had borrowed the car because his two Chaparrals were being prepared for Sebring and Hap Sharp disliked the Speedway.

It rained heavily that day and pole sitters Heuer [MB Chaparral] and Devine [MB Scarab] retired with ignition trouble. When Holbert [Porsche RS-61] made a brief pit stop to correct brake problems, Jim Hall inherited the lead and kept it. In Saturday's Regional Jim Hall finished 10th overall after tangling with another competitor, which explains the rather tatty appearance of the Monaco.

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#157 AlMark

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Posted 24 May 2009 - 14:39

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Here is Jim Hall in Hap Sharp's T57 Monaco, on his way to victory in the 1963 Daytona USRRC race.

He had borrowed the car because his two Chaparrals were being prepared for Sebring and Hap Sharp disliked the Speedway.

It rained heavily that day and pole sitters Heuer [MB Chaparral] and Devine [MB Scarab] retired with ignition trouble. When Holbert [Porsche RS-61] made a brief pit stop to correct brake problems, Jim Hall inherited the lead and kept it. In Saturday's Regional Jim Hall finished 10th overall after tangling with another competitor, which explains the rather tatty appearance of the Monaco.

all research Willem Oosthoek
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Thank you Jerry.

Now if someone will just tell me how to attach photos or point me to instructions on the forum.

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#158 Alan Cox

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Posted 24 May 2009 - 14:53

Brilliant advice contained here, Gil:
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#159 HistoricMustang

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 22:28

Received several photographs of Dave MacDonald with the King Cobra.

This one does not have any copyright issues.

Dave in the Augusta International Raceway garage with his winning King Cobra.

As the members know we lost him twelve weeks after this photograph was taken at the Indianapolis 500.

Henry

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#160 275 GTB-4

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 23:56

Can anyone advise the purpose of the ducts over the rear wheels....they look like they were added sometime later...maybe to provide downforce?? Brake Cooling? :)

#161 Billy Bellinger

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 17:12

Can anyone advise the purpose of the ducts over the rear wheels....they look like they were added sometime later...maybe to provide downforce?? Brake Cooling? :)


I think the ducts are to stop the tyres overheating.

The King cobra with the chassis no CM 2 63 which is discussed above is in my work shop and it has a Mckee trans axle in it, the trans axle is no 19 and the car has a spare box which is no 7.

The car has been rebuilt now and has been race many times this year

Can anyone tell me how to put photos on the forum please

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#162 bradbury west

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 17:59

Can anyone tell me how to put photos on the forum please


Try here. Page 9, post 351, Ray Bell has gone into full details.
http://forums.autosp...w...1934&st=320
otherwise try a similar process here;
http://www.postimage.org/

Put the cursor over the top link when you have uploaded it, and then go through the copy/paste process. I find this one easier. Good luck. It is always worth previewing your post so you see what you are getting in the way of file size.
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#163 HistoricMustang

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 21:46

This works best for a simple minded individual such as myself. :blush:

Henry :wave:

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#164 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 22:09

Chuck,

I believe that once you said "I take back what I said about this car, I think it might be CM/3/63. The holes in the windscreen are still there. "



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Are we talking the same car here? (If so, this part of its history seems to have been omitted from the catalog description.) Should I have made Harrison an offer of $25K or so back in 1967? Was this another of those missed opportunities which seem to define my life...?

Cynic


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Dont yopu love the quality 'transporter' being used. It looks like it was built in a few hours from scrap. Considering it was a comparitivly expensive car for the day the budget must have gone on the car!!


#165 chuckbrandt

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 11:31

Can anyone advise the purpose of the ducts over the rear wheels....they look like they were added sometime later...maybe to provide downforce?? Brake Cooling? :)


Some recent analysis of period pictures suggest that they actually provided some clearance for the tires. This is on the early cars (CM/1/63 and CM/3/63). Evidently Cooper had not anticipated the size of tires Shelby would use or the ride height. Note the later '64 cars, bondurants and parnelli jones' have taller rear fenders.

Chuck

#166 ERault

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 13:24

Bob Sinn just called me and said he found the receipt he got when he bought his Cooper-Chevy.

On 2/10/1965 he paid $3,700 for CM/8/61 from
George Squire
323 E. North St.
Springfield, OH

Anyone recognize the name or the chassis number?

Thanks, Chuck

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The quoted chassis number is confusing. This link has a picture of W. Bowman's Cooper Monaco racing at the january 28, 1962 Daytona National. Could it be the same car ? http://dicklang.blog...l/Cooper Monaco

#167 Jerry Entin

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 15:58

E Rault: The following comes from Willem Oosthoek:
I agree that based on the 1960 body style shown, the chassis number does not seem to make much sense. At Daytona in January 1962 Bill Bowman [listed with Minneapolis as his domicile], ran his Monaco in EM, hence with 2-liter Climax engine.

#168 David McKinney

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 19:27

There was a W Bowman racing a Cooper Monaco in UK back in 1959 - same chap?

#169 Jerry Entin

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 21:19

David: The following is from Willem Oosthoek:
Don't know if it is the same guy, but the Bill Bowman from Minnesota did have a preference for English cars.

In the 1962 Puerto Rican Grand Prix he entered an Aston Martin Coupe [not further identified]. The only reason he was allowed to run with the modifieds was the Chevy V8 in its engine bay. He finished 12th in a field of 12 cars, with 45 laps completed [exactly half the number of laps done by the winner, Roger Penske and his Zerex Special.

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 21:37

There was a W Bowman racing a Cooper Monaco in UK back in 1959 - same chap?


Yes David. From DCN's Cooper Cars : "third [1959 Cooper Monaco sold] to an American named W.S. Bowman, who would race it at Silverstone in May before taking it home." Bowman later switch allegieance, racing several Porsches up to a Carrera 6.

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 02:02

Some recent analysis of period pictures suggest that they actually provided some clearance for the tires. This is on the early cars (CM/1/63 and CM/3/63). Evidently Cooper had not anticipated the size of tires Shelby would use or the ride height. Note the later '64 cars, bondurants and parnelli jones' have taller rear fenders.

Chuck

The ducts were for brake cooling. They actually reduce tire clearance somewhat, having hoses attached to the underside to direct air flow.
Bill Hartman
CM/1/63

#172 Giraffe

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 20:13

Keith Ahlers & James Bellinger's1963 Cooper Monaco King Cobra from this weekend's World Sportscar Masters at Silverstone.

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#173 Giraffe

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 21:43

Co-incidentally, there was a 1963 T61M running with a 5.3 V8 at the same meeting..........

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#174 jwaterhouse71

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 16:19

Does anyone know the whereabouts of CM4/62?

#175 David McKinney

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 17:29

Wasn't it wrecked by Oscar Koveleski?

#176 David Birchall

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 18:27

Thanks to Chuck Brandt I sold my Colotti T37 to Fred Phillips, a Canadian who owns a King Cobra-located in Toronto at the moment apparently. Anybody know which one this is?

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 21:53

Thanks to Chuck Brandt I sold my Colotti T37 to Fred Phillips, a Canadian who owns a King Cobra-located in Toronto at the moment apparently. Anybody know which one this is?


I'm wondering if it could be this one being restored by Legendary Motorcars in Milton, Ontario just west of Toronto

http://www.legendary...naco_King_Cobra

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 00:05

I'm wondering if it could be this one being restored by Legendary Motorcars in Milton, Ontario just west of Toronto

http://www.legendary...naco_King_Cobra

Did this car have a 351 Clevland in it that was supposedly installed by the owner in the mid seventies?

#179 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 03:44

Did this car have a 351 Clevland in it that was supposedly installed by the owner in the mid seventies?

The pictured engine is a Windsor engine.

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#180 jwaterhouse71

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 17:44

Thanks to Chuck Brandt I sold my Colotti T37 to Fred Phillips, a Canadian who owns a King Cobra-located in Toronto at the moment apparently. Anybody know which one this is?

Was this to replace the Huffacker transaxle that came with the car?

#181 chuckbrandt

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 13:20

Was this to replace the Huffacker transaxle that came with the car?


No it came with another Colotti, a much cracked and repaired one with worn out gears. It will be retained as a spare.

#182 chuckbrandt

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 13:25

Thanks to Chuck Brandt I sold my Colotti T37 to Fred Phillips, a Canadian who owns a King Cobra-located in Toronto at the moment apparently. Anybody know which one this is?


David your contribution to the project is greatly appreciated, I'm so happy the deal worked out.

We have identified that car as CM/5/64 the Bob Bondurant car. They are currently building a new aluminum body to match CM/5/64. Here are some pictures of the work, I think they are doing a really great job.

http://www.legendary...aco_King_Cobra#



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Posted 12 February 2011 - 21:57

David your contribution to the project is greatly appreciated, I'm so happy the deal worked out.

We have identified that car as CM/5/64 the Bob Bondurant car. They are currently building a new aluminum body to match CM/5/64. Here are some pictures of the work, I think they are doing a really great job.

http://www.legendary...aco_King_Cobra#


Chuck this restoration is fantastic; just what I love to see a significant car put back to it's former glory.

#184 HistoricMustang

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 15:05

Do not believe this one has been shared.

Can someone identify the location?

Henry :wave:

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And, of course, a lovely lady..........................location is not important. :love:

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#185 Jean L

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 15:17

Kent USRRC may 64.

#186 HistoricMustang

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 15:58

Kent USRRC may 64.



Thanks...................................the last win for MacDonald.

#187 Jerry Entin

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 17:13

The girl with the Cobra pants is Kirby Guyer. She was also the office manager at Traco and now lives in Hawaii with her husband Toby. They have a great Bed and Breakfast place in Hawaii:

Hale Ho'o Maha B&B - It is located on Hanalei, Kauai. Hawaii

If you are ever looking for a great spot to vacation call:
800- 851-0291 Toll Free

Kirby has a website showing her Bed and Breakfast - http://www.aloha.net/~hoomaha/

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#188 HistoricMustang

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 18:16

The girl with the Cobra pants is Kirby Guyer. She was also the office manager at Traco and now lives in Hawaii with her husband Toby. They have a great Bed and Breakfast place in Hawaii:

Hale Ho'o Maha B&B - It is located on Hanalei, Kauai. Hawaii

If you are ever looking for a great spot to vacation call:
800- 851-0291 Toll Free

Kirby has a website showing her Bed and Breakfast - http://www.aloha.net/~hoomaha/


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#189 HistoricMustang

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 18:18

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Some slot cars

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Monogram Series 1 with "Closed" rear wheelarches

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#191 chuckbrandt

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 14:23

Can anyone advise the purpose of the ducts over the rear wheels....they look like they were added sometime later...maybe to provide downforce?? Brake Cooling? :)


They are for brake cooling, there is ductwork that goes under the rear fender, through the inner fender and then around to blow back onto the inside of the brake / wheel.

Chuck

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 23:17

The Lang Cooper is identified in one picture (where it says 97 on the hood) as a Chevyh Cooper but once it had the body designed byh Pete Brock I thought it was a Ford 289 out
back? Also has there ever been a long magazine article on it? I understand that the founder of the Amelia Island concours found it in a junkyard. Is that true? Was it bought for a song? Probably missing its engine and transaxle at that point. I don't imagine a 289 was that much but the Weber intake manifold with carbs would cost more than the engine and I don't know what it used for a gearbox. I think I saw a picture that it's being raced again today.
'Preciate steering me toward an article so I can coalisce all my thoughts on that car which I think of as the DeTomaso 70P that Brock never got to complete...

#193 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:50

I long-since binned my issues of car mags so can't verify but I'm pretty sure my memory holds that Sports Car Graphic featured an article on the car in period. I do believe that the car was fitted with a Chevy V-8. I saw the car run in the Player's 200 at Mosport in '65 and took a snap of it in the paddock. I'll see if I can't dig it up and post.