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#5051 Tony Matthews

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 16:14

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A triumph of style over substance #2

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 16:49

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Bluebird-Proteus CN7, Bristol-Siddeley Proteus 4,100hp gas turbine power unit, x2 single speed gearboxes and like the above 4 wheel drive.


Interesting, the '64 version, with the battery in the wrong place!

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 17:49

A triumph of style over substance #2


I think, and I am probably wrong, that these were (Piola like) originally part of a fortnightly magazine type thing. The reason I say that is because they are surrounded by many season specific partial drawings 'sketches' notes etc of end-plates and suspension arms. I think this is the context in which they were originally presented (I hope that is the context) It is nice to see an FW20 though. But the weight of the line used is a bit of a cop-out since despite the high rez, it conveniently obscures/prevents much useful information being included in the first place. There is also another F300 in 'fast track' configuration, the very long wheelbase Jordan 198, MP4-12 and 13 etc.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 18:55

Interesting, the '64 version, with the battery in the wrong place!


Where did the battery end up in the final design Steve?

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 18:58

A triumph of style over substance #2



Hello Mr. Matthews,

Hope this comment or method of posting isnt out of place, but speaking of style and substance, the contributions of you and your colleagues to this forum have certainly been a welcome diversion out here in Afghanistan. I have mentioned before that sketching "cutaways" during interminable briefings has become a major mind saver!

This little forum has inspired me to order an old but very nice copy of the Michael Costin/David Phipps volume entitled "Racing and Sports Car Chassis Design" illustrated in great detail by JA Allington..a drawing (and technological) lesson on almost every page, style AND substance to the Nth degree.

Thanks to all you fanatics once again for reigniting an old and treasured fascination.

Semper Fi,

Fred

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 19:42

Hello Mr. Matthews,

Hope this comment or method of posting isnt out of place, but speaking of style and substance, the contributions of you and your colleagues to this forum have certainly been a welcome diversion out here in Afghanistan. I have mentioned before that sketching "cutaways" during interminable briefings has become a major mind saver!

This little forum has inspired me to order an old but very nice copy of the Michael Costin/David Phipps volume entitled "Racing and Sports Car Chassis Design" illustrated in great detail by JA Allington..a drawing (and technological) lesson on almost every page, style AND substance to the Nth degree.

Thanks to all you fanatics once again for reigniting an old and treasured fascination.

Semper Fi,

Fred


Fred,
As a US guy who has concentrated on customs, hot rods and drag racing illustrations, I just want to say that I hope this brings you some smiles and some inspiration while you are serving our country. I was ready to go into the service when they eliminated all the deferments, and was in college when that first draft lottery was done ... I won, by getting number 235, when the number went to 135 to be called. Purely luck of the draw.
I have, however, always had ultimate respect for those who went, especially now with our volunteer military. You guys have a horrible task that follows none of the traditional rules that an actual country has to follow in warfare, against those who can make up their own rules and attack in non-traditional ways.
On our Memorial Day weekend, please accept anything that I have done here to give you any enjoyment, to be my tribute and appreciation for your contributions.
Thank-you.
Tom West

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 20:11

Interesting stuff. I see your point. I'm not sure those mass produced Fords (Albeit manufactured to a greater tolerance) could in any form have won the Battle of Britain though. :)

The Merlin also had a great reliability record. Here is a quote regarding reliability and the Pegasus (and the attempted interventions of the various shadow manufacturers).



Those pesky car makers! (And their shady shadow factories) ;)


Gents,

One of the most fascinating and exciting technical reads from WWII is the story of Rolls-Royce, Packard/USA and Ford/England combining their resources and expertise with the purpose, willpower and courage of their embattled workforces. The Rolls produced Merlin WAS a mechanical work of art, but the mission required vast numbers WITH zero defects quality...everyone pitched in and made it happen... to quote Mr. Hooker once more, "Merlins were coming out like shelled peas"!! as for women in the workplace, I will leave it to your research to discover how Miss Shilling's Orifice defeated Mercedes/Messerschmitt's fuel injection advantage!!

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 20:22

Fred,
As a US guy who has concentrated on customs, hot rods and drag racing illustrations, I just want to say that I hope this brings you some smiles and some inspiration while you are serving our country. I was ready to go into the service when they eliminated all the deferments, and was in college when that first draft lottery was done ... I won, by getting number 235, when the number went to 135 to be called. Purely luck of the draw.
I have, however, always had ultimate respect for those who went, especially now with our volunteer military. You guys have a horrible task that follows none of the traditional rules that an actual country has to follow in warfare, against those who can make up their own rules and attack in non-traditional ways.
On our Memorial Day weekend, please accept anything that I have done here to give you any enjoyment, to be my tribute and appreciation for your contributions.
Thank-you.
Tom West


Hey Tom! Boy do I remember Lottery Day! I was in third year of architecture school.......actually I pulled down number 352, and went and joined the Marines anyway! Go Figure, but what I wanted to do by writing in was say all sorts of great things about this forum!!!! I love to draw, still, and look at great drawings!! The automobile cutaway is right up there with Watteau's drawings of musicians for me (go figure again!)....I can do the AutoCad 3D, but I have never tried modelling a car for some reason..probably should start with a Cyclops!!

Thanks for the message and Happy Memorial Day to you!!
Semper Fi,

Fred


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Posted 28 May 2010 - 21:01

Modern day SAAB publicity cutaways
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SAAB 9-3
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SAAB 9-3 Viggen
anyone recognize the signature ?


Both are by Rony Lutz, who has been the Saab 'house' technical illustrator since circa 1970.
Lutz is a very gifted artist who as done work for others too.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 21:12

Gents,

One of the most fascinating and exciting technical reads from WWII is the story of Rolls-Royce, Packard/USA and Ford/England combining their resources and expertise with the purpose, willpower and courage of their embattled workforces. The Rolls produced Merlin WAS a mechanical work of art, but the mission required vast numbers WITH zero defects quality...everyone pitched in and made it happen... to quote Mr. Hooker once more, "Merlins were coming out like shelled peas"!! as for women in the workplace, I will leave it to your research to discover how Miss Shilling's Orifice defeated Mercedes/Messerschmitt's fuel injection advantage!!


I completely agree, there is a fascinating and emotive history associated with the production of these engines. I particularly enjoy reading about the various encounters and meetings between the rival drawing offices, how information was exchanged between engineers, the various protocol and the way in which certain engineering practices were assimilated post the WW2 urgency. Some very, very clever blokes involved, on all sides.

Welcome to the thread Fred! (Disclaimer regarding the cutaway phenomena, excuse my own amateur-enthusiast ramblings at all times, however you are certainly in the right place to discuss things with the Pro's).

Are you utilising in any way drawing with your professional military practice? I'm thinking 'surveyor'?

Regarding the battle between Miss Shilling's orifice and the Mercedes/Messerschmitt's fuel injection advantage, I'm assuming somewhere the Dr Stanley Hooker designed centrifugal two stage supercharger is inevitably involved?

A random quote from a book I'm currently working through.

Sir Henry Royce checked each drawing at his small design office at West Wittering on the Sussex coast. On 22nd April 1933 he approved the last drawing and died later the same day.




#5061 Tony Matthews

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 21:43

This little forum has inspired me to order an old but very nice copy of the Michael Costin/David Phipps volume entitled "Racing and Sports Car Chassis Design" illustrated in great detail by JA Allington..a drawing (and technological) lesson on almost every page, style AND substance to the Nth degree.

Strangely, I have never seen the book or any of the illustrations - I think he (Jim) finished it shortly before I started woprking for him. I must check it out! Well, I say I have never seen any of the illustrations, I may have, but I certainly don't remember anything remotely like what I would expect, and Tom W has posted cutaways that were in store in the studio which I never saw! All very interesting...

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 21:55

This little forum has inspired me to order an old but very nice copy of the Michael Costin/David Phipps volume entitled "Racing and Sports Car Chassis Design" illustrated in great detail by JA Allington..a drawing (and technological) lesson on almost every page, style AND substance to the Nth degree.

Fred


I have the book myself, and have gone through it many, many times.

Recently though I found this...............

It isn't very correct what has been done on this site, but the book can be viewed here: click open Nenjovesji PDF
http://images.google...ttp...sa=N&um=1
as are a lot of the cutaways we've posted

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#5063 Tony Matthews

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 22:27

I have the book myself, and have gone through it many, many times.

Recently though I found this...............

Having seen that, Marc, all I can say is - what am I like? - Of course I saw them in the studio, although I still can't remember them on Jim's drawing board! It may be that Jim did them on holiday in France, he would often come back with a cutaway, this may have been light relief. Interesting that he chose - or was asked - to do the suspension drawings as plain side- and front elevations, whereas when I did similar, but less comprehensively annotated, versions for Peter Wright's book I chose to do perspective views.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 22:32

Strangely, I have never seen the book or any of the illustrations - I think he (Jim) finished it shortly before I started woprking for him. I must check it out! Well, I say I have never seen any of the illustrations, I may have, but I certainly don't remember anything remotely like what I would expect, and Tom W has posted cutaways that were in store in the studio which I never saw! All very interesting...


Tony,
That was one of my favorite car design publications back in the day, and a true classic of Vehicle Dynamics as it was applied back in the '60s. I still have my original copy which is in great condition, along with a bunch of those other related publications from back then.
I know that the Birdcage Maserati was printed in the book, along with an early Lotus rear-engined car and various others that illustrated principles presented, although they were so reduced that they probably weren't all that great for really getting the details as everything plugged up in the printing.
I have the second volume of The Grand Prix Car by Setright, but have always wanted the initial version with the early years of Grand Prix with all the cutaways by Laurence Pomeroy. I had the chance to run photocopies of those drawings on a visit to the Talledega museum while I was doing diecast car research out of their facility. Not exactly the most up-to-date equipment, but I still have them. Some good stuff for reference and history.
Never quite had the $1000+ to buy one of the things somehow.
Not going to come up with one of those on a closeout sale, I assure you.
Tom West


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Posted 28 May 2010 - 22:44

Hey Tom! Boy do I remember Lottery Day! I was in third year of architecture school.......actually I pulled down number 352, and went and joined the Marines anyway! Go Figure, but what I wanted to do by writing in was say all sorts of great things about this forum!!!! I love to draw, still, and look at great drawings!! The automobile cutaway is right up there with Watteau's drawings of musicians for me (go figure again!)....I can do the AutoCad 3D, but I have never tried modelling a car for some reason..probably should start with a Cyclops!!

Thanks for the message and Happy Memorial Day to you!!
Semper Fi,

Fred


Fred,
I was a sophomore at General Motors Institute if I remember correctly, when that original Lottery hit. I remember my dad saying it was the first thing he ever won as his number would have been 365. Didn't do him much good as he went through World War 2 going all the way through the Pacific campaign as part of the Corps of Engineers, and was actually one of the first ten US troops to go into Japan as Industrial analysts to see what they had remaining to start the rebuild of their economy ... and it was considered a suicide mission as they had to go in unarmed to a country that was considered to still be dangerous as we didn't know whether they were going to actually buy the surrender as real. I never found out about it until probably 1980. I asked him why he never said anything and he just sort of shrugged his shoulders and said, "well, nothing happened, so no big deal." Yeah, BUT IT SURE AS HELL COULD HAVE ...
Anyway, I consider myself an idiot savant in a certain respect, as my art ability is really being able to fake the drawings rather than actually being able to do what my heroes like our Mr. Matthews, James Allington, Max Millar, Yoshihiro Inomoto, and the real pantheon of great cutaway artists have shown. This was the only way I could picture illustrating cars, and I really wanted to do that. Good to see someone here that just digs the hell out of it and actually does some of the work, too. Cool stuff.
Enjoy the day.
Tom West

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 00:22

Brazilian Ford Escort XR3 1.8 by unknown artist

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 03:24

I completely agree, there is a fascinating and emotive history associated with the production of these engines. I particularly enjoy reading about the various encounters and meetings between the rival drawing offices, how information was exchanged between engineers, the various protocol and the way in which certain engineering practices were assimilated post the WW2 urgency. Some very, very clever blokes involved, on all sides.

Welcome to the thread Fred! (Disclaimer regarding the cutaway phenomena, excuse my own amateur-enthusiast ramblings at all times, however you are certainly in the right place to discuss things with the Pro's).

Are you utilising in any way drawing with your professional military practice? I'm thinking 'surveyor'?

Regarding the battle between Miss Shilling's orifice and the Mercedes/Messerschmitt's fuel injection advantage, I'm assuming somewhere the Dr Stanley Hooker designed centrifugal two stage supercharger is inevitably involved?

A random quote from a book I'm currently working through.

Howdy Werks, Thanks so much for the words of welcome! to answer your question wrt drawing, I dont have any instruments here except a Parker Duofold ballpoint, but I am scrawling isometric drawings over every legal pad I have and my "Write in the Rain" field book so's I can stay awake during the rather tedious briefings we must regularly endure..I am an Operations Trainer so I dont get involved in any of the work that the Corps of Engineers is doing, but I an assure you that they are looking out for quite a few tax dollars out here.

You are correct in your assumption, but it's better to go look up the particulars, I dont have everything in front of me and dont want to get the details wrong.....for what reason I am not sure, the Merlin was a crankcase down V-12 that used carburetion and the Mercedes in the Messerschmitt (Bf 109?) was a crankcase up V-12 with fuel injection...I think that most of Oxford's math staff (what college I dont know) was involved in improving the air and fuel flow for the Merlin...the nice lady's addition was a little widget that made sure that a rich enough mixture still reached the combustion chambers during extreme centrifugal loading.

A great later chapter of the RR/Mercedes duel is that all the fuel injection and desmo valve experience gained in the air war by Mercedes finally came to a use we can all joyfully relate to in that magnificent engine that pulled the W-196/SLR to glory........now just who was it that did that great W-196 drawing....???

Semper Fi,

Fred

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 15:29

Great thread on a wonderful topic!

Yes, fuel injection work in wartime contributed to the W196 but not the desmo valve gear. That was created especially for the W196.

Vic Berris did a nice job -- as usual -- with the 300SLR.

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 17:04

Strangely, I have never seen the book or any of the illustrations - I think he (Jim) finished it shortly before I started woprking for him. I must check it out! Well, I say I have never seen any of the illustrations, I may have, but I certainly don't remember anything remotely like what I would expect, and Tom W has posted cutaways that were in store in the studio which I never saw! All very interesting...

Tony,

If you're interested take a look at [url="http://rs67.rapidsha...s_Design.pdf"].


#5070 Tony Matthews

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 17:50

Tony,

If you're interested take a look at [url="http://rs67.rapidsha...s_Design.pdf"].

Thanks for that stankoprowski, but see post #5072...! :)

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 18:02

Great thread on a wonderful topic!

Yes, fuel injection work in wartime contributed to the W196 but not the desmo valve gear. That was created especially for the W196.

Vic Berris did a nice job -- as usual -- with the 300SLR.

Thanks Karl, I just knew I would go and put down something bogus: and you know, I was just looking at the patent drawings that Merc submitted to the US office on some desmo site or other just day before yesterday!!

Again at the risk of error, didnt Tony Matthews do a splendid W-196 color cutaway for a model car box.....? What pipes! What drums! What wild ectasy! ;-) ode to a silver arrow

Thanks again Karl,
Fred

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 18:16

Again at the risk of error, didnt Tony Matthews do a splendid W-196 color cutaway for a model car box.....? What pipes! What drums! What wild ectasy! ;-) ode to a silver arrow

Fred


Yes, Page 59 Fred, post 2355, to see the master at work. Prepare to be re-stunned. I don't know about the model car box though? The man himself could tell you more. Actually it would be nice and appropriate to see a repost of that particular work. There is also a master list of all the cutaways posted on page 120, regularly and diligently updated by Ibsen. To say it is comprehensive would be an understatement in the extreme. :drunk:

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 18:33

Ferrari 312 B3 1973 Concept Drawing ("Next year car article" - Ferrari 312 B3 Spazzaneve) by unknown artist

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 20:44

Again at the risk of error, didnt Tony Matthews do a splendid W-196 color cutaway for a model car box.....? What pipes! What drums! What wild ectasy! ;-) ode to a silver arrow

Not for a Model box, f9h, but as one of a series commissioned by 'Motor' magazine in the early '80's. It wasn't a great cutaway, the car is actually quite simple - elegant engineering - and the only car I had access to was at Beaulieu Motor Museum, and the staff were very cautious about allowing me to delve into it - plus it was a bit of a pot-boiler, it was brave and highly commendable of 'Motor' to commission new artwork, but the fee did not encourage hours of research. I even had to pay the museum for the priveledge...

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 21:17

Ferrari 312 B3 1973 Concept Drawing ("Next year car article" - Ferrari 312 B3 Spazzaneve) by unknown artist

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Sorry!!!!!
This drawing by Giorgio Piola! ?
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Posted 29 May 2010 - 21:49

Thanks Karl, I just knew I would go and put down something bogus: and you know, I was just looking at the patent drawings that Merc submitted to the US office on some desmo site or other just day before yesterday!!

Again at the risk of error, didnt Tony Matthews do a splendid W-196 color cutaway for a model car box.....? What pipes! What drums! What wild ectasy! ;-) ode to a silver arrow

Thanks again Karl,
Fred


Fred,
I always thought that the Revival art would have been Bruno Betti. Since they were a very nationalistic Italian company, the artwork looked more Betti-like.
Tom

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 21:56

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Rene Thomas's 1924 Grand Prix Delage La Torpille. V12, 10.6-Litre, 280bhp land speed record car.

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 21:58

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Daimler-Benz (DB) 601A By Max Millar

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McLaren-Mercedes MP4-12 By P. D'Alessio

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 22:04

Sorry!!!!!
This drawing by Giorgio Piola! ?
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I don't even feel like I am sticking a leg out by saying : definitely NOT!!

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 22:17

I don't even feel like I am sticking a leg out by saying : definitely NOT!!

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Dear Friend, I believe that in 1972/73 master Piola didn't still write your name with initials... correct? The magazine where this drawing was published, also publish the drawings of Piola, are the lines very similar to the of him, what do you find?
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Posted 29 May 2010 - 22:23

Dear Friend, I believe that in 1972/73 master Piola didn't still write your name with initials... correct?
rgds

No argument with that !

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Posted 30 May 2010 - 07:38

Emeryson F1 by unknown artist
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Posted 30 May 2010 - 12:35

A new name...H.Kobayashi
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Posted 30 May 2010 - 16:51

Ferrari 312 B3 1974 by John Bishop

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Posted 30 May 2010 - 18:24

Thanks for posting these scans of the P15 engine :up: as this is going to help me with a project that I am looking at doing :clap: :) :up:

Two BRM V16 renderings.
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The car to go with it. This cutaway by Theo Page. Tony Matthews already posted his V16 BRM some time ago. Anyone have a good Inomoto ?
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Posted 30 May 2010 - 19:09

Thanks for posting these scans of the P15 engine :up: as this is going to help me with a project that I am looking at doing :clap: :) :up:

Just don't forget to grab a copy of Tony Matthews cutaway on page 9.


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Posted 31 May 2010 - 07:20

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another toyota 7 from 1969,unknown artist
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 07:37

toyota 7 again by S Yoshikawa(from the web)
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 11:13

EXCELLENT :wave: :up:

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I can't find a transparency of the modified version with long exhaust, so here it is with the stub exhausts as I saw it at Bourne just before the big sale.



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Posted 31 May 2010 - 12:25

Yes, Page 59 Fred, post 2355, to see the master at work. Prepare to be re-stunned. I don't know about the model car box though? The man himself could tell you more. Actually it would be nice and appropriate to see a repost of that particular work. There is also a master list of all the cutaways posted on page 120, regularly and diligently updated by Ibsen. To say it is comprehensive would be an understatement in the extreme. :drunk:



As usual another fine line blooper! Regardless, it is an extreme pleasure just to know someone is capable of this kind of work!! Now I have a million questions wrt how to give this a try.

Semper Fi,

Fred

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 12:34

Not for a Model box, f9h, but as one of a series commissioned by 'Motor' magazine in the early '80's. It wasn't a great cutaway, the car is actually quite simple - elegant engineering - and the only car I had access to was at Beaulieu Motor Museum, and the staff were very cautious about allowing me to delve into it - plus it was a bit of a pot-boiler, it was brave and highly commendable of 'Motor' to commission new artwork, but the fee did not encourage hours of research. I even had to pay the museum for the priveledge...

Dear Tony,

Thanks so much for the extra info! I am going to the UK on pass in the middle of June, the little town with the big power plant in Oxfordshire, so maybe we can get over to the museum....I dont know if it is appropriate to this forum, or impolite or what, but I do sort of have some quasi technical questions about this way of drawing..I would dearly love to try one! I still have a roll of Albanene at home and some Rapidographs that are actually not clogged up.....not to many "French Curves" though.....and mostly foot/inch scales...

Thanks so much!

Fred

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 12:48

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Daimler-Benz (DB) 601A By Max Millar

Dear Werks,

Thanks for the super post! Mr. Millar could have operated under the soo-doe-nim of Leroy Miasof, his use of that little device is so fine!!! A terrific example!

Thanks,

Fred

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 19:59

toyota 7 again by S Yoshikawa(from the web)
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Sometimes I don't know what to think of Shin's work
His stippling and line work can be crack on, but then he kicks the horse's teeth in by childish over-exuberance
and may I say incompetance when it comes to details.
Just look at the treadside edging on those tyres !!! The cam covers and the gearbox casing don't deserve a top ten
mention in the ranks of cutaway Nobel praise either.
He must have been in a hurry on this one !

What am I on ?...........I can't even draw a crooked line !

Edited by macoran, 31 May 2010 - 21:04.


#5095 macoran

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 20:04

Calling Mr. Bonde...ANDERS Bonde..... pop in for a chat mate !..you've stayed away far too long !!

#5096 ibsenop

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 23:04

Trojan RE (rear engine) Taxi 1931 by unknown artist.

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TNF Cutaway Index - updated - page 120 - post 4763

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 07:47

renault alpine A440 by ETAI ?
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#5098 werks prototype

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 10:06

Mr. Millar could have operated under the soo-doe-nim of Leroy Miasof, his use of that little device is so fine!!! A terrific example!
Fred


Fred,

An interesting source for you, if you haven't already seen it, would be "Classic World War II Aircraft Cutaways" Authored by Bill Gunston. Contained within, mostly in large format gatefold, is almost every single significant (including development) engine and aircraft from the period in cutaway form.


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Posted 01 June 2010 - 22:35

Citroën ZX Raid by unknown artist.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 00:27

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A slightly better quality version of the BMW 507 3.2-Litre V8. By 'Serge Bellu'