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#5351 macoran

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 21:37

I thought you guys might like to know, Mr Frank Munger, cutaway artiste extraordinaire, has very recently passed on. :(

That is bad news IrasDaughter, but thank you for informing us
R.I.P Mr. Munger
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#5352 IrasDaughter

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 21:39

That is bad news IrasDaughter, but thank you for informing us
R.I.P Mr. Munger



If you would like to remember him, please do so at 2pm on the 1st July, when his funeral will take place. Thank you x

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 23:39

I thought you guys might like to know, Mr Frank Munger, cutaway artiste extraordinaire, has very recently passed on. :(


That is very sad news. Thanks for taking the time to pass that on to us here. Mr Munger was part of that truly great generation of cutaway artists. A great era!

The drawing office/studio of Flight magazine in the 1950's at Dorset House, Stamford Street. Frank Munger on the left, John Marsden seated and Arthur Bowbeer on the right.

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#5354 smarjoram

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 09:08

About the 917 cutaway - Already posted here or a new one?
We didn't receive Motor Sport here in my town anymore.

I haven't got it in front of me but I'm pretty sure it's the B+W Autocar version on page 26.

#5355 Tony Matthews

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 09:47

I thought you guys might like to know, Mr Frank Munger, cutaway artiste extraordinaire, has very recently passed on. :(

Thank you for letting us know, ID, I was always a fan of Frank Munger's style, especially his pencil-work.

#5356 ibsenop

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 11:11

Sad news. R.I.P Mr. Munger

To remember Mr. Munger (his work and his life) see Cutaway Kings by Aeroplane Magazine April 1999 - Frank Munger - page 91 - post 3612 of this forum

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 12:03

Alfa Romeo 155 TI V6 DTM by Bruno Betti

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Nice illustration of an awesome car, but the rear wheel looks slightly off...

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 15:45

Alfa Romeo 155 V6 TI ITC 1996 by Betti (Giulio or Bruno?)

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 17:59

Alfa Romeo 155 TI V6 DTM 1995 by Giulio Betti.

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#5360 werks prototype

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 20:29

:up: These are great

#5361 werks prototype

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 20:58

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 21:00

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1979 Alfa Romeo 6

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#5363 werks prototype

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 21:01

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#5364 IrasDaughter

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 05:14

Sad news. R.I.P Mr. Munger

To remember Mr. Munger (his work and his life) see Cutaway Kings by Aeroplane Magazine April 1999 - Frank Munger - page 91 - post 3612 of this forum


thanks to all who made responses - esp Werks Prototype and yourself for the pictures - I sent them on to dad :) x

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 14:01

Ferrari 625 F1 1954 by Giulio Betti

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 14:33

I find it amazing that people are still adding more drawings to this thread. Thanks to all the contributors!

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 21:18

There will be plenty more coming, you can be sure JacnGille

Here is Gordon Bruce's McLaren M7A from Sports Car Graphic June 1968
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Posted 30 June 2010 - 06:52

ferrari 553 by Paolo d'Alessio
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#5369 werks prototype

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 08:32

Here is Gordon Bruce's McLaren M7A from Sports Car Graphic June 1968
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That is a pretty special drawing :up: I think I have a copy of a tinted version somewhere.

edit: The drawing I mentioned is instead a 19C!

Edited by werks prototype, 30 June 2010 - 18:51.


#5370 werks prototype

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 08:35

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3-Litre Ballot engine. Designed by Ernest Henry 1919.

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#5371 Tom Johnson

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 14:19

Nice illustration of an awesome car, but the rear wheel looks slightly off...

Simply a matter of opening up the ellipse a bit would help the car look better and track right.

#5372 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 15:10

Simply a matter of opening up the ellipse a bit would help the car look better and track right.

Absolutely right, Tom. It is OK using a photograph as a basis for a cutaway, as long as you remember that the camera does not see things the way we do, especially with fairly extreme perspective, either wide-angle or telephoto. This would have looked fine as a photograph, including background, but as soon as you isolate the image the anomolies rear their heads. A lot of my cutaways were based on photographic outlines, and in every case the wheel ellipses had to be modified, even if only by a very small amount.

I feel sure I've mis-spelt 'rear' but I'm damned if I can think of another way!

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 15:40

Absolutely right, Tom. It is OK using a photograph as a basis for a cutaway, as long as you remember that the camera does not see things the way we do, especially with fairly extreme perspective, either wide-angle or telephoto. This would have looked fine as a photograph, including background, but as soon as you isolate the image the anomolies rear their heads. A lot of my cutaways were based on photographic outlines, and in every case the wheel ellipses had to be modified, even if only by a very small amount.

I feel sure I've mis-spelt 'rear' but I'm damned if I can think of another way!


Funny, but I agree with the feeling that "rear" in the context used should be spelt differently, but can't think how

#5374 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 16:25

Funny, but I agree with the feeling that "rear" in the context used should be spelt differently, but can't think how

I've just checked, tink, and 'rear' is OK!

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 17:14

Nissan P-35, Mechanical Design: Trevor Harris,
Aerodynamics: Yoshi Suzuka
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#5376 TWest

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 17:53

Absolutely right, Tom. It is OK using a photograph as a basis for a cutaway, as long as you remember that the camera does not see things the way we do, especially with fairly extreme perspective, either wide-angle or telephoto. This would have looked fine as a photograph, including background, but as soon as you isolate the image the anomolies rear their heads. A lot of my cutaways were based on photographic outlines, and in every case the wheel ellipses had to be modified, even if only by a very small amount.

I feel sure I've mis-spelt 'rear' but I'm damned if I can think of another way!


Have been meaning to comment since I first saw it, but it is great to see such artistry and humor out of one person ... always lover your over the top funny Profile photos. Where do you dig up this stuff???
Thanks for the laugh ...
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#5377 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 18:19

Nissan P-35, Mechanical Design: Trevor Harris,
Aerodynamics: Yoshi Suzuka
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If it wasn't for the different colours I'd swear that had been drawn on an Etchasketch!

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 18:32

If it wasn't for the different colours I'd swear that had been drawn on an Etchasketch!


You mean you never saw the CMYK version. Very slow and you'd get cramp in your hands after a while - or was that due to something else :drunk:


#5379 werks prototype

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 18:49

Simply a matter of opening up the ellipse a bit would help the car look better and track right.


It couldn't also be that the image has been distorted through some other means as well? Scanning or some other form of image transfer. If we zoom in to the right rear of the other Alfa, the one below the image being discussed, the 155 TI V6 DTM 1995 for example, there is a similar and very particular type of warping/distortion also going on? (A wobbly bit around the rim) The curious thing is, that both Betti's are getting the same effect? (Not wishing to make excuses here for the Betti's with my amateur eye).

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#5380 werks prototype

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 18:50

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'GRIFFON' MK 65 By Max Millar drawing produced in 1945

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 19:49

(smarjoram @ Jun 26 2010, 10:27)
Nice to see some of Tony's work in Motor Sport this month. And a 917 cutaway in the magazine too - hope they become a more regular feature.




About the 917 cutaway - Already posted here or a new one?
We didn't receive Motor Sport here in my town anymore.


Yes, Tony's drawing of the Ilmor takes up a whole page, and it looks good :) - this is the same image (by googling)

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The 917 cutaway is quite small and is a black and white line drawing.

Motor Sport brilliant value again this month, I particularly liked the background to the filming of the movie Le Mans.

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 20:53

:up: We'll be seeing some proper scans of that article soon then ?


Here they are. These three pages were the only colour ones in this magazine:

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#5384 werks prototype

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 21:12

Brilliant! :up:

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 21:33

Yes, Tony's drawing of the Ilmor takes up a whole page, and it looks good :) - this is the same image (by googling)

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So where did the pushrods and the rockers go ? That isn't the Ilmor pushrod V8
or.... when did a Merc become a Chev ?

Edited by macoran, 30 June 2010 - 21:34.


#5386 macoran

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 21:39

edit: The drawing I mentioned is instead a 19C!
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McLaren M19 C

The Bill Bennett one with annotations.
Checking Ibsen's index I am surprised the one without the annotations hasn't been posted yet.
and...it's here in the pile on me desk !

Edited by macoran, 30 June 2010 - 21:45.


#5387 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 21:42

Yes, Tony's drawing of the Ilmor takes up a whole page, and it looks good :) - this is the same image (by googling)
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Wrong engine, Cargo, but thanks anyway!

Edited to say Marc beat me to it, but I've only just realised!

Edited by Tony Matthews, 30 June 2010 - 21:43.


#5388 macoran

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 21:42

The 917 cutaway is quite small and is a black and white line drawing.

The Michael Badrocke one page 26

#5389 Cargo

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 21:55

Wrong engine, Cargo, but thanks anyway!

Edited to say Marc beat me to it, but I've only just realised!


Ouch!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Dear oh dear .... :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush:

Well, I blame Google......

I should edit the link, but the Chev's such a nice cutaway that I'll leave it.... Good work Tony.

I realize of course that I've completely blown any TNF street-cred I had before (not much).



#5390 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 21:57

It couldn't also be that the image has been distorted through some other means as well? Scanning or some other form of image transfer.

No, it's just extreme perspective, the vanishing point is only just off the page, and I'd bet on the drawings being based on photographs taken from too close to the subject. The camera is a great tool, but you have to know how to use it - or not care particularly about the results. If either of these illustrations had been enlarged to 12 feet long and viewed from about 9 feet they would look ok, but the smaller they are reproduced, the greater the ratio of image size to viewing distance, the worse the distortion will be.

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 21:58

I realize of course that I've completely blown any TNF street-cred I had before (not much).

You and me both then, Cargo old chap!

Edited by Tony Matthews, 30 June 2010 - 22:04.


#5392 Cargo

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 22:02

To correct my howler above -

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The genuine article this time :up: .....

To add that this is the cutaway on P94 of the August MotorSport.

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#5393 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 22:07

Amazing to think that that image is from a scan of a screened print, only a quarter or less the area of the on-screen version!

#5394 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 22:11

You mean you never saw the CMYK version. Very slow and you'd get cramp in your hands after a while - or was that due to something else :drunk:

Nice one, Alan - you obviously had better toys than I did as a child - didn't stop me getting cramp in my hands, though!

#5395 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 22:16

Have been meaning to comment since I first saw it, but it is great to see such artistry and humor out of one person ... always lover your over the top funny Profile photos. Where do you dig up this stuff???
Thanks for the laugh ...
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Nice to hear from you Tom, after quite an absence - the photography is obviously taking all your time! The profile shot is just me when I had some hair, I've got loads of rubbish like this, I just get a bit bored seeing the same image all the time!

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 22:18

Amazing to think that that image is from a scan of a screened print, only a quarter or less the area of the on-screen version!


It looks very good to me...

Anyway, thanks for non-angry comments.. as far as I can tell, I may actually NOT get drummed out of this forum just yet .... tho' I'll class the above mistake as a near-miss in that regard. :blush:

me off to bed now...



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Posted 30 June 2010 - 22:20

Anyway, thanks for non-angry comments.. as far as I can tell, I may actually NOT get drummed out of this forum just yet .... tho' I'll class the above mistake as a near-miss in that regard. :blush:

You'll get dragged back in if you try to leave !

#5398 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 22:37

You'll get dragged back in if you try to leave !

Yeah, leaving is not as easy as you think! Like Hotel California...

#5399 werks prototype

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 23:02

The Bill Bennett one with annotations.
Checking Ibsen's index I am surprised the one without the annotations hasn't been posted yet.
and...it's here in the pile on me desk !


Yep, me too! I scrutinized Ibsens list, went through all the other great M19's and almost didn't post it under the assumption that it has probably already appeared at some point. This annotated version is actually from the Macdonald Library of Sport 'Motor Racing' book. Not much in terms of cutaways but quite a few of those beautiful coloured profile drawings (Jaguar D-Type, Eagle-Offenhauser and a nice photo of the curious nose of the Eifelland-March 721)!

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 23:06

Mercedes Benz CLK-GTR by Bruno Betti

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