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#6201 Tony Matthews

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:01

I see.

Thanks cheapy, nothing like genuine Oz concern for a fellow human bean! :)

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#6202 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 10:47

Very sorry to read that you've encountered vision problems, Tony. I hope it all shakes out well soon. I, too, suffer from on-going vision complaints from:

http://www.nlm.nih.g...icle/000358.htm

Further, my wife and I and the kids rent the upper storey of the Mother-In-Law's house and she's as deaf as a post. Even the briefest of conversations is punctuated with repeated, 'EH? EH? EH?' :(

#6203 Tony Matthews

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 11:25

Very sorry to read that you've encountered vision problems, Tony. I hope it all shakes out well soon. I, too, suffer from on-going vision complaints from:

http://www.nlm.nih.g...icle/000358.htm

Further, my wife and I and the kids rent the upper storey of the Mother-In-Law's house and she's as deaf as a post. Even the briefest of conversations is punctuated with repeated, 'EH? EH? EH?' :(

That's tough, Manfred - much worse that I have (probably) got. My sister's daughter was diagnosed with Graves disease when she was about 10, but no local doctors were bothered until my sister kicked up a fuss. She had the protruding eyes and grew about 6 inches in a year. Now, at 20-ish, she is very attractive, not too tall, and doing well. Good luck.

My mother used to accuse me of mumbling, so over the years I gradually increased the volume. Then she had her ears syringed, next time I saw her she recoiled in shock when I said 'Hello!' "There's no need to shout..."



#6204 TWest

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 19:44

Tony, Your mother sounds like mine. Complains that she can't understand you because she is old and her hearing isn't that good. So, you raise your voice so she can be heard, and how dare you shout at her? Can't win, it seems. I just hope that I can have that ability to be so annoying to someone at 93 ... don't want to do it, just have the ability.
On to more pertinent business at hand ... more cutaways. Again, I am sorry that these have lost much of the detail from the crappy old Xerox copies, but one takes what one gets. This is another Haynes cover illustration by Terry Davey, one of my favorite cars of the time, the E-type Jaguar roadster.

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 19:47

OK, probably not one of my favorite cars .. the Renault 6 that I show being from 1970. Again, by Terry Davey. I am posting five in this set, and have six others sitting waiting for completion, and maybe another 20 on my desk for scanning ... never friggin' ends.
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Posted 27 September 2010 - 19:51

Another of those mass-market cars that Haynes helps to keep on the road. This is the Datsun 1200 from 1972, I am showing. Not sure where I picked up the dates that I show here, but the manuals were covering various years, of course. Should be fairly close to right ... at least in the range. Another Terry Davey, for the record.

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 19:57

Another of those stylish Renaults from a few years ago .. the Renault 10 by Terry Davey.

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 19:59

Last of this group, a Triumph 1500 from Terry Davey. Hope giving the artist name isn't getting too repetitive, but I think the credit should be included, even if it is obvious. Hope everyone else goes with this concept ...
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Posted 27 September 2010 - 20:32

Mercedes-Benz 1972 280 coupe, illustrated by Terry Davey.Tom West

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Is that a horiziontal compensator spring aft of the diff? Was that common to the 230/250 models also, and perhaps later 2 seater models?
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#6210 Tony Matthews

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 21:11

There is a Mercedes illustration of that horizontal spring and rear axle layout, Roger, it seems to crop up fairly frequently, unless I imagine it. However, I don't know how many models featured it.

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 21:59

Tony, many thanks. I have the MB drawing.
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Posted 27 September 2010 - 22:45

artist is Vaclav Kral from Czech Republic
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 06:20

Some oldies that I don't believe we have seen yet...
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Hispano Suiza 15 Alfonso XIII - 1915 - Inkwell Studios
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Hispano Suiza T68 - 1931 - Caarl Knowles
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Delaunay Belleville F6 - 1906 - Inkwell Studios
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Ford Model T - 1908 - Inkwell Studios

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 17:01

I really enjoyed seeing those color cutaways last night. Good to see a few more of those illustrations of historic cars, the cutaway encyclopedia, I suppose you could say.
To add to the fun, I decided to send a few at a time from the Haynes collection, so there will be three on the way, starting here with the Bedford HA Van out of the 1970s from Terry Davey.
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 17:03

Next up from the Terry Davey cover illustrations for Haynes is the Fiat 124 of 1972. Definitely covering some of the international books more than the US-specific topics.
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 17:06

Next up, and last for this morning, is one for our Atlantic Islanders ... the Terry Davey illustration of the Vauxhall Viva from around 1970.
There are four more there to clean, and then many more to scan. I think I may step back to the Cavara stuff before doing more of these ... at least I don't have to clean out those Xerox-copy backgrounds ...
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 17:13

Next up from the Terry Davey cover illustrations for Haynes is the Fiat 124 of 1972. Definitely covering some of the international books more than the US-specific topics.
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I think that was sold as 124 Coupe in the UK.

My first car was a 124 Saloon. By the time I sold it the rust holes in the bodywork could have shown a good cutaway. The design was sold to the east and became a Lada :eek:.

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 00:48

Here are some from the 60s that I don't believe we have seen yet...
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Facel Vega HK 500 - 1960 - Danny Mercer

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Marcos 1800 - 1965 - Inkwell Studios

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Porsche 356 C - 1965 - Thurston Grose

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NSU RO 80 - 1968 - unknown



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Posted 29 September 2010 - 04:53

And, the encyclopedia expands. Thanks for adding those color cutaways from the book. Good stuff.
I will continue with those Haynes cover scans, with the last four of my latest batch of scans.
Again by Terry Davey, this is the 1970 Renault 16.
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 04:55

Another French car for your dining and dancing pleasure ...
The Terry Davey Simca 1100 from 1970,
Certainly not something one would see very often over here, I can tell you that.
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 04:56

And another of the Terry Davey Haynes covers: the Triumph TR-6.
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 04:58

And, to finish up this batch, the Terry Davey Volvo 343 from 1970.
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 05:54

I was going to put up a few from the 80s, but thought I would keep with the Terry Davey theme - this one in color...

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TVR Tuscan SE - 1967 - Terry Davey

I am enjoying the Davey illustrations. I recently got a copy of Haynes: the Classic Cutaways but accidentally packed it (getting ready to move) without even thumbing through it, say nothing of scanning any of the contents. However, I am really looking forward to Cavara illustrations you alluded to a couple of posts ago - many of the ones of his that I have are fairly low resolution.

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 06:46

I was going to put up a few from the 80s, but thought I would keep with the Terry Davey theme - this one in color...

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TVR Tuscan SE - 1967 - Terry Davey

I am enjoying the Davey illustrations. I recently got a copy of Haynes: the Classic Cutaways but accidentally packed it (getting ready to move) without even thumbing through it, say nothing of scanning any of the contents. However, I am really looking forward to Cavara illustrations you alluded to a couple of posts ago - many of the ones of his that I have are fairly low resolution.



Thanks for adding that color Davey illustration. Good to link this material at times.
I have 19 of my cover copies sitting here on the desk, which are easier to scan than the larger Cavara pieces that are out of his book (60 Cars of Some Sort ...), so will get these done and go back for a few more of those later. Glad you are enjoying some of this, as they are certainly not normally the type of glamor cars that one normally sees elsewhere. Most of these are pretty basic automobiles, so this is maybe a bit more representative of what people saw over the years.
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 10:02

I was going to put up a few from the 80s, but thought I would keep with the Terry Davey theme - this one in color...

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TVR Tuscan SE - 1967 - Terry Davey

Never seen a colour version of a Terry Davey cutaway - effective.

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 23:20

OK, the first of the dozen scans that are sitting on my desktop. I found that a few of the pages that I had pulled from my book were not Terry Davey pieces. Will do those after the next batch is done, but I think I am going to put them up one at a time, instead of holding for a few of them at one time.
These are all going to be Haynes Manual covers by Terry Davey ... starting with the ever-popular Skoda 1100 from 1968. Can't picture most of these cars being done for any other reason than for service manuals.
Sort of like his style with this drawing, but I think you will see some of the others being much simpler, as we have previously discussed.
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 23:58

A good sized collection of cutaways, mostly from the American Sports Car Graphic from the 1960's.


Cutaways from Dean's Garage

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 00:10

Glad you are enjoying some of this, as they are certainly not normally the type of glamor cars that one normally sees elsewhere. Most of these are pretty basic automobiles, so this is maybe a bit more representative of what people saw over the years.
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I think that is what I like about them - they are vehicles we don't generally get to see. His work isn't delightfully detailed and precisely elegant like James Allington's or Tony's, but fun for what they are. I wish I had more of his color work - it added a new dimension.

Here are the 80s illustrations I mentioned - the Morgan looks like it is from a different era, the Porsche much like many others (though I don't think we've seen this specific one before), and the Thunderbird is, well, it just is.
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Morgan Plus 8 - 1984 - Paul Shakespeare

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Porsche 911 (930) - Carrera 3.2 - 1984 - Technical Arts

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Ford Thunderbird - 1983 - attributed to Ford Motor Corporation (illustrator unknown)

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 14:09

And, to finish up this batch, the Terry Davey Volvo 343 from 1970.
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Are you sure that's a 343 Tom? I always thought the 343 was a hatchback type of thing, with the small pseudo-boot attached that became popular later on e.g. with the Escort Mk3. Your cutaway seems to show the little thing that was also sold as a Daf (if I remember correctly).

And thanks for all your contributions to this marvellous thread!

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 14:15

Are you sure that's a 343 Tom? I always thought the 343 was a hatchback type of thing, with the small pseudo-boot attached that became popular later on e.g. with the Escort Mk3. Your cutaway seems to show the little thing that was also sold as a Daf (if I remember correctly).

And thanks for all your contributions to this marvellous thread!


It was sold as a Volvo 66 in Europe - which was originally a DAF, complete with elastic band drive :eek:

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 14:29

OK, probably not one of my favorite cars .. the Renault 6 that I show being from 1970. Again, by Terry Davey. I am posting five in this set, and have six others sitting waiting for completion, and maybe another 20 on my desk for scanning ... never friggin' ends.
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Always wondered what was inside my £25 Renault 6 I ran it for about ten months and 10,000 miles when it finally packed up on the South Circular on my way home from Brands Hatch.

Along the way I taught my ex to drive in it, I had her driving backwards round a car park near Frensham Ponds every Saturday morning for three weeks before I trusted her to take the R6 onto a proper road, I thought there is absolutely no point in teaching someone to drive until they can do the easy bit and park properly, unlike me she passed her test first time too :-)

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 17:06

Are you sure that's a 343 Tom? I always thought the 343 was a hatchback type of thing, with the small pseudo-boot attached that became popular later on e.g. with the Escort Mk3. Your cutaway seems to show the little thing that was also sold as a Daf (if I remember correctly).

And thanks for all your contributions to this marvellous thread!



Honestly, I have no clue other than to see what I have written on the page, which was said Volvo 343. I had to have come from the cover of the Manual, so you may want to take it up with Haynes. I would have no way of making up a Volvo 343 designation ... I never did enough recreational substances to have created that illusion for myself.
Remember that all those European cars tended not to ever come over here, so this would have been one of the only ways that I would have seen the car.
As I said about my son with ADD when he was accused of having a vivid imagination ... he has no imagination at all ... the most literal person I know ...
(Story about him getting ridiculed for making up a story about going with me to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum when it was closed and going through the Skylab by himself, then going where they built the airplanes (Silver Hills resto facility). All true and related as a story for "what I did for summer vacation.")
Fill in the blanks, folks; this is all that I have ...
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Posted 01 October 2010 - 00:33

Got a classic for you today, the mid-60s Volkswagen Beetle, showing here as 1965. Another Haynes Manual cover from Terry Davey, for everyone's reference.
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Posted 01 October 2010 - 04:07

It was sold as a Volvo 66 in Europe - which was originally a DAF, complete with elastic band drive :eek:


I'm not sure we all understood what Alan said (I know I didn't on first reading). What Haynes evidently called the 343 was actually its predecessor, the Volvo 66
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I've had several Volvo cars over the years and have never seen either of these (but then I don't live where they were sold).

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 07:22

(but then I don't live where they were sold).

Lucky you!

Not only is macaron absent - at least we know why - but Ibsenop is very quiet too. Holidays?

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 08:03

I'm confused!
I checked the Haynes cutaway book. It has the DAF 66 in it. They also have the cover of the book in it as well.
It says Volvo 66 & 343 and DAF 55 & 66. The Volvo 340/360 series was a totally different car.

Here is a webfind of the Volvo 340 &360 book cover:

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And another Volvo 340 found on the website of the russian Volvo club:

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And by the way: according to wikipedia was the model called Volvo 340. 343, 344 and 345 were just internally used. The last digit indicates the number of doors of the car.

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 08:14

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Now I know how King Harold must have felt! Not the best bit of annotation I've ever seen...

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 08:23

Another webfind: Saab 900 Aero by Rony Lutz.

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 08:52

And, to finish up this batch, the Terry Davey Volvo 343 from 1970.
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The label is definitely wrong, its a DAF 66, no diagonal stripe on the grill which would make it a Volvo.

This is what the Volvo 343 looks like the last numeral indicates 3 doors (2 plus tailgate to be pedantic) which the Daf in the picture did not have.

Oooh ! Volvo product knowledge coming to the fore who'd've thunk it on TNF ?

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 10:01

Not only is macaron absent - at least we know why - but Ibsenop is very quiet too. Holidays?



For any newcomers here, plus regulars;
He has updated the Index on this thread up to Sept 28. His excellent full Index appears on page 150, post 5989 in 2 parts.
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Posted 01 October 2010 - 19:36

I'm confused!
I checked the Haynes cutaway book. It has the DAF 66 in it. They also have the cover of the book in it as well.
It says Volvo 66 & 343 and DAF 55 & 66. The Volvo 340/360 series was a totally different car.

Here is a webfind of the Volvo 340 &360 book cover:

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And another Volvo 340 found on the website of the russian Volvo club:

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And by the way: according to wikipedia was the model called Volvo 340. 343, 344 and 345 were just internally used. The last digit indicates the number of doors of the car.



Soo ... are you saying that they actually had a "0" door model then, based on your statement. The 340 must have been an industrial version with no roof or something ... maybe for postal delivery in good weather??? Of course, they are talking about Sweden, so how could that be???
I am very confused now ... as if that is anything new. Not sure how I didn't pick up all those DAF references, but I can't remember the thought process as I added the names to my copies as they were made ... been 15 years or so, and I can't even remember breakfast.
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Posted 01 October 2010 - 19:39

Now I know how King Harold must have felt! Not the best bit of annotation I've ever seen...


Probably works a little better if you read Russian, I presume. A bit murky as an illustration, however ...
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Posted 01 October 2010 - 23:18

Another of the Terry Davey covers for Haynes. Not sure what the brand would be, but I show this as BLMC 1100. I assume this is British Leyland, but it wouldn't have been under that badge, would it? From 1965, according to my note.
Getting into the basic cars pretty well here, I have to say.
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Posted 01 October 2010 - 23:48

Soo ... are you saying that they actually had a "0" door model then, based on your statement. The 340 must have been an industrial version with no roof or something ... maybe for postal delivery in good weather???

No, it's just that all models were marketed as the 340, but the other numbers were used in-house to indicate the different bodies. Much like Ford used Tudor and Fordor internally, but the cars were never sold as such.

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Posted 02 October 2010 - 01:33

No, it's just that all models were marketed as the 340, but the other numbers were used in-house to indicate the different bodies. Much like Ford used Tudor and Fordor internally, but the cars were never sold as such.


Ah ... I guess that makes sense. Not sure where I would have gotten that 343 designation then, as I would have had a tough time identifying it as a Volvo without something on the book to tell me that ... to overstate my ignorance of the Volvo product line a little.
If someone has a better identification, please make sure that it is in so Ibsen can use it on the Index ... Ibsen ......Ibsen ..........
Your mention of the Ford designation is interesting, as the Ford Tudor Sedan is known over here as just that. Everyone considers that rounded '39 and '40 as a Tudor. Maybe they held back in England for political reasons ... would have been like calling it a Hoover Sedan over here at that time, it seems.
Calm down, just kidding.
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Posted 02 October 2010 - 07:09

I am sending out another three to end this evening for you ... at least evening here.
More of the Terry Davey and his Haynes covers, starting with the British Leyland A99 of the mid-60s. Wasn't that an Austin? What other badge was it produced under?
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Posted 02 October 2010 - 07:17

The second for this evening is Terry Davey's Datsun 1300 of 1970. Note the difference in style between the very simple version of the last drawing and this slightly more detailed Datsun.

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Posted 02 October 2010 - 07:25

And the last ... this is Terry Davey's Ford Cortina out of 1966.

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Posted 02 October 2010 - 08:56

Another of the Terry Davey covers for Haynes. Not sure what the brand would be, but I show this as BLMC 1100. I assume this is British Leyland, but it wouldn't have been under that badge, would it? From 1965, according to my note.
Getting into the basic cars pretty well here, I have to say.
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Not that I'm an expert in british cars, but this is Austin 1300 GT from 1969. Pretty much same car as 'our own' (licensed) IMV 1300 Special, made in Novo Mesto, Yugoslavia (now Slovenia) between 1970-72, I believe. IMV 1300 Special was available in silver or gold, and had round yellow foglamps above front bumpers. It was quite an attractive offer, but not very popular. Specially not for the mechanics, who found it 'strange' that the metric tools didn't quite work...

After 1972 IMV connected with Renault, then in about 1989/90 changed its name to Revoz (REnault VOZila, or Renault Vehicles), after break-up of Yugoslavia became more or less sole car manufacturer in Slovenia, and nowadays remains the only plant which produces models Twingo and Wind.

Hope I didn't get into OT too deep. :)


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Posted 02 October 2010 - 09:45

Specially not for the mechanics, who found it 'strange' that the metric tools didn't quite work...

:lol:


Hope I didn't get into OT too deep. :)

Not at all. I thought it was an Austin, but wasn't sure.