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#6301 bradbury west

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 16:02

There you are - personal choice!


I am in no position to comment technically, but a key element of the Imp was the inclined engine, which I feel is better shown in the Berris version, and on which I commented regarding the "uprightness" of the engine-only drawing, but that was only to serve my own needs. IIRC the angle of the drive shafts gave the game away. All a matter of perspective and personal choice.
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#6302 Tony Matthews

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 16:26

I remember your comments, Roger, but couldn't find your post to quote it. As far as the viewpoint is concerned, if I was asked to do a cutaway of the Imp I would find it hard to improve on Jim's, as the inclination of the engine is obvious, and so much of the engine is visible. Vic Berris' version shows not much more that the top of the cam-cover, but it is still an attractive drawing, and works well for all other aspects of the car. Technical illustration is about showing as many engineering features as possible, and sometimes this severely restricts choice of viewpoint...

The engine/gearbox cutaway, apart from being butchered, was probably rearranged by someone who imagined that the engine must be vertical, and didn't check!

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 17:19

I just had another look at the index on p.150.

The Opel Kadett 4x4, the almost identical Mantas and the Monza on page 118 are done by one or the other of the Bettis for sure.
The two of them did most of the later cutaways for Opel. I'll see that I get around to make an index of the ones I have as poster.

Don't hope to get to see them...the posters are format A1 (841x594mm)...unless somebody volunteers to splice 8 scans per poster.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 17:35

Ok, Peter. I give up. This Allington Imp was scanned early in my time here, but I can't find it when I check back into my posts.
I am posting my rendition of it, just so you can see that it was done, although why it isn't here, I can't tell you ... unless I just forgot to include it or some such defective behavior.
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Thanks, Tom... I'm much happier to have the one with the signature and engine.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 17:41

I guess while I am here I might as well add a couple by Jerry Gower...

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 19:30

Now that's odd! The Imp engine posted on page 131 is the same illustration as that added to Jim's vehicle cutaway, but with subtle differences. Actually, not-so subtle! The p131 illustration has the alternator and drive belt, quite a large section, removed, just wiped off, and the drawing turned to make the cylinder block nearer vertical. Here, however, it is complete and at the right attitude. It can't be that common to see two illustrators' work put together like this, so it may have been done by a magazine picture editor.


Dynamo. I just like finding fault :wave:


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Posted 04 October 2010 - 20:18

Dynamo. I just like finding fault :wave:

Water pump and cooling fan. I just like finding fault! :p We were both wrong, h, but if you like finding fault, just read my posts! :)

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 21:04

Thanks, Tom... I'm much happier to have the one with the signature and engine.

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Peter,
Sorry for the wild goose chase there. .Not sure why that file never made it, as I can't find it in there either. There must be some others that I have scanned that haven't been posted then, too. I am showing something like 157 files in my file for downsized versions of my new scans for this group. Don't think I have posted nearly that many, but you may want to check out my Imageshack files next time you check in there. They are aoll posted, at least I think they are all there ...
Never know at the moment.
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Posted 04 October 2010 - 22:18

Something nice and different which I came across in Autosport. Copyright to Autosport/Haymarket/Theo Page as applicable
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 20:18

I am going to clean up that last batch of scans out of the Terry Davey covers for Haynes Service Manuals. I have another one that is added that should be amusing for everyone.
This is the Fiat 124 from 1970.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 20:22

Next up is the Ford Corsair from 1970. Again, by Terry Davey for a Haynes cover.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 20:25

Another 1970s Haynes cover illustration, the Ford Escort from Terry Davey.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 20:29

Something nice and different which I came across in Autosport. Copyright to Autosport/Haymarket/Theo Page as applicable
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Thanks for the post of the Delta - I have never seen this car before. Interesting that the cutaway was of the coupe when evidently they were mostly convertibles - I could only find one car that was the same as the drawing.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 20:38

Another Terry Davey cover, the Renault 4 out of 1965.
As I said, this is the kind of thing that might never have been done without these manuals being published. I have a whole stack of other prints to go through out of that set of books, but will have to wait and get a few other things done for a while before I jump back in here.
One more to follow.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 20:47

And now for something a little different ...
Toward the end of the cutaway process, a big deal was made in the US that David Kimble was doing the cover illustrations. Take a look at this one from post 1995 of the Honda Civic and see what these looked like.
I told you about that push for simplicity so they didn't scare people away from working on the car, and these fit in directly. David had someone else doing the linework on the actual cutaway, and then did the airbrush work himself. No idea who was doing the linework.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 20:54

Tamiya cars

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a real car cutaway ( porsche )


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#6317 Tom Johnson

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 21:54

And now for something a little different ...
Toward the end of the cutaway process, a big deal was made in the US that David Kimble was doing the cover illustrations. Take a look at this one from post 1995 of the Honda Civic and see what these looked like.
I told you about that push for simplicity so they didn't scare people away from working on the car, and these fit in directly. David had someone else doing the linework on the actual cutaway, and then did the airbrush work himself. No idea who was doing the linework.
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I did the line work and the air-brush on this guy. In total, I did about 12 of these for David.


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Posted 05 October 2010 - 23:35

I did the line work and the air-brush on this guy. In total, I did about 12 of these for David.


Tom, I knew that he had someone else with him, but he had said that he did the airbrush work when I spoke with him. Talking with him ended up screwing me out of something that could have been a good deal for me, as his agent went to the head of the Haynes group and jumped on him. The guy essentially banished me from the building, and I ended up giving a whole trunkload of those manuals that I had gotten to copy to Autobooks in Burbank in exchange for one of the CMC Grand Prix diecast cars ... must easier to hang onto than a trunkload (large trunk in that old GTO) of those manuals.
Probably need to speak with you directly on some things, Tom.
I think that was about all of these that he did for Haynes, wasn't it?
I actually have one of the originals around here, in a flat file in a storage unit.
Thanks for the correction of a long-held mis-stated story.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:06

Just popping in briefly!

There have been some great posts here lately.

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Bentley Blower From Vic Berris 1975

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:07

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Lotus Elite. By Leslie Cresswell. This is one of my favourite illustrations. This scan doesn't really do it justice. Cresswell is a genius!

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:08

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The Austin 16hp. By Max Millar.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:08

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Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud. From Brian Hatton.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:09

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Vauxhall 10, From John Palmer. 1946. From the 'British cars for the world' issue. Vauxhall apparently spotted several detail mistakes! Can anyone spot them?

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:10

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Lotus Elan (With backbone chassis). By Tony Lofthouse.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:10

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John Hostlers X J13 Jag. This has appeared before. However this is a slightly different context/format.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:12

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Ferrari 166, from F.W.Beak. It has appeared before, but I'm not sure if it has been identified properly as the 166. I recently read that this was infact the first Ferrari to actually appear in cutaway form in The Autocar.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:14

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1898 Daimler from Dick Ellis. 'Watercolour'.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:15

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Peugeot 504 Coupe 1983. By J. Mignon.


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Peugeot 604 1983. By J. Mignon.


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Talbot Tagora 1983 By J. Mignon.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:16

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BMW 700.

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BMC 9X Concept.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:18

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Morris 1100 Hydrolastic front suspension system.


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Hudson Straight-Eight chassis 1934.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:18

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Goliath Cars, 1952 Goliath streamlined motor-tricycle. By Schlenzig.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:19

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1934 JAP OHV 8-75 Engine. Drawn by Max Millar.


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1935 986cc Matchless side-valve engine.


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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:21

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Exploded view of Norton 'dolls-head' gearbox.


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Proposed production version of the Brough Superior Transverse Twin. Drawn by Max Millar.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:22

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Brough Superior 'Side Valve 680'. Sales promotion illustration.


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Felber-designed petrol-tube sidecar chassis.






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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:23

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V-12 Brough Superior chassis.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:27

For those who appreciate the other 'forms'! I include these curiosities.

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Charcoal study of the Earls Court Exhibition including a rather intriguing rendition of Bluebird. By Bryan De Grineau.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 01:30

Something nice and different which I came across in Autosport. Copyright to Autosport/Haymarket/Theo Page as applicable
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I have to comment on this! I think this is one firmly in the Baker Torpedo, Devin, Dolphin, Kieft and Killeen category for rarity. Amazing find! :up:




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Posted 06 October 2010 - 03:15

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Lotus Elite. By Leslie Cresswell. This is one of my favourite illustrations. This scan doesn't really do it justice. Cresswell is a genius!



One of my favorite automotive books, which I do not have in my collection, in case anyone would like to supply one, is the initial version of The Grand Prix Car, by Lawrence Pomeroy. Definitive book on the technology of the early Grand Prix car. It featured quite a few classic GP illustrations from Cresswell. I got a chance to run copies of them at the Taledega Museum, which was tied into the Super Speedway. Wonderful collection of automotive reference of all types, not just NASCAR, as would be supposed. Wish I could have spent more time in there ... and that I could have gotten better copies of those illustrations.
So, if anyone wants to send one of those books, even for lending, I will be happy to return it, and to do justice to those scans.
As a point, I can't remember his name, but the guy owned the Long Island Automotive Museum, out on the Island around the Hamptons, if I remember. He passed away, but we used the museum for reference when Aurora reworked and reissued those old antique car models while I was the R&D Manager. I went to his house, and the entire two story classic mansion was a library of automotive publications; magazines and books. Wish I had access to something like that now. It would be wonderful for all of those classic cutaways that were done over the years.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 03:25

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John Hostlers X J13 Jag. This has appeared before. However this is a slightly different context/format.


Slightly different, Buckwheat? This is huge compared to the postage sized version up here before. This is great when some of this comes out as new material that improves the presentation so much. Very appreciated, Werks. Thanks for the influx, you were really saving this stuff up, weren't you?
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 10:37

Slightly different, Buckwheat? This is huge compared to the postage sized version up here before. This is great when some of this comes out as new material that improves the presentation so much. Very appreciated, Werks. Thanks for the influx, you were really saving this stuff up, weren't you?
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No problem Tom. In any case, it's a trifle compared to some of the many and 'mega' racing thoroughbreds that you have shared with us here.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 10:50

GSM Delta cutaway;
I have to comment on this! I think this is one firmly in the Baker Torpedo, Devin, Dolphin, Kieft and Killeen category for rarity. Amazing find! :up:


It is 20 years since I saw a GSM and had forgotten they had the transverse leaf front springs.
I scanned it from an A3 to A4 copy, so if anyone wants a larger file size PM me with e mail address. I have the cutaway itself at 2.4mb, and can rescan the original article copy in higher res. For your own use only, see copyright rider.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 10:59

For those who appreciate the other 'forms'! I include these curiosities.
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Charcoal study of the Earls Court Exhibition including a rather intriguing rendition of Bluebird. By Frederick Wright.

Beautiful drawing - I'd love to see some more of those if you have any. Seems the artist is Bryan de Grineau (John Bryan) not Frederick Wright.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 11:46

Beautiful drawing - I'd love to see some more of those if you have any. Seems the artist is Bryan de Grineau (John Bryan) not Frederick Wright.


Absolutely, and I will post them in the Artwork and drawings thread proper. And also, you are indeed right, I substituted Wright's Earls Court work for De Grineau's work for the Motor.

I don't know if you are familiar with it, but I have a wonderful image by De Grineau published in the 1934 editions of The Motor, it was originally part of a series concerned with the hazards of driving. It is a moody, brooding, dark and overcast scene. He was definitely one who blurred the boundaries between illustration and Fine Art. I also have a copy of his self-portrait (sketching behind the railings at the Isle of Man) as well as one of his Nazi Germany 'Autogyro' sketches.


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Posted 06 October 2010 - 16:31

No problem Tom. In any case, it's a trifle compared to some of the many and 'mega' racing thoroughbreds that you have shared with us here.



Werks,
I find this ironic since I have been doing such an influx of those Haynes covers, which are generally the most mundane cars on the planet... the cars everyone has. Not the thoroughbreds at all, with the occasional exception. I have four large notebooks of these copies, but only about a 1-1/2 inch stack of the Haynes covers to do yet ...
Along with maybe a dozen old magazine centerspread drawings from old Sports Car Graphic and the like which have already been scanned and need to be stitched together.
Unfortunately, being a part of this group is such an inspiration that I can easily divert myself from what I should be doing to do things for this little "club" we seem to have going.
You really were storing things up however, so I am glad the dam finally broke and it came out. Some really good additions, I must say.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 19:46

No rush mate. All in your own time :D Cheers KK

Cleaning out the background was okay, it was redoing the Hellas which took a while
here it is Karl
Jim Bamber's Corolla GB Champ car
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 20:00

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Vauxhall 10, From John Palmer. 1946. From the 'British cars for the world' issue. Vauxhall apparently spotted several detail mistakes! Can anyone spot them?

I wonder how that steering works ?
And why a hubcap on the spare ?

Welcome back werks, you seem to have had a tune-up ! :D

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 20:01

Cleaning out the background was okay, it was redoing the Hellas which took a while
here it is Karl
Jim Bamber's Corolla GB Champ car
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Marc, I assume this was rescanned, and not built from the earlier magazine scan. Seems like a lot of magenta in that original, but assume that was the way it came out of the mag, as it appeared previously.
Welcome "home," and thanks for the renewed efforts.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 20:09

Marc, I assume this was rescanned, and not built from the earlier magazine scan. Seems like a lot of magenta in that original, but assume that was the way it came out of the mag, as it appeared previously.
Welcome "home," and thanks for the renewed efforts.
Tom West

Scanned this from my copy of the magazine Tom.
Probably kept one finger on one of the colour buttons too long while taking a sip of Singha lager. :D

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 20:55

A couple by Paul Shakespeare we haven't seen...

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Italia Grand Prix - 1908

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Roesch Talbot 75 - 1930