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#6401 smarjoram

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 09:32

Ah, the notorious Tony Matthews - still, I bet he knows how to spell Leonardo's name properly ;) The other article is odd too. It shows a picture of his nose and says he likes to ride a motorbike and then the caption under the other photo relates not to that picture but to one on the other page! They did things differently in those days.

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#6402 werks prototype

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 13:22

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There is something of Liverpool ace Steven Gerrard about this picture!

#6403 Tony Matthews

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 13:24

There is something of Liverpool ace Steven Gerrard about this picture!

You mean... he's got a Swiss Army knife too?

PS. No, I wasn't hovering, just a coincidental visit!

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 14:26

To make amends, here is something with perhaps a little more depth, concerning Russell Porter.

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 15:39

Mercedes Benz W196 by Giorgio Alisi

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Mercedes Benz W196 engine cross section by unknown artist

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#6406 smarjoram

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 16:45

That Russell Porter story is astounding. Although it did make me feel rather inadequate.

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 17:42

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Jordan 194-Hart V10

who is the autor?!?

#6408 Dutchy4C

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 18:10

I just found this forum and spent a long time looking at all the postings. A wealth of information. Thank you all so much.

Back in 1972 my brother bought a copy of the Marlboro Grand Prix Guide, a Swiss publication that featured a lot of Werner Buhrer illustrations. As an 12 year old seeing those really fired up a passion for me. Since first glancing at the Marlboro BRM illustration below, I immediately stopped drawing trains/buses and cartoons, and switched full time to race cars. Within 2 years I bought my first Tamiya 1/12 scale F1 car, built it, but also measured down everything, and used that to construct my own F1 race cars.

When Hoogenboom Bewaking dropped Ensign and decided to start their own team, Boro Racing, with Larry Perkins, I designed a complete F1 car for them (at age 16). I decided I wanted to be come a race driver, did the Jim Russell school in Snetterton in 1977, did some F Ford and then ran out of money. In the end I ended up becoming a car designer, Volvo, Mercedes-Benz, Mazda, and my own independent consultancy. Most recently I started my own car company, http://www.steenstragcm.com, where we want to build high-end zero emission sports cars. Most recently, preparing a presentation, I was forced to reflect back on the beginnings, and the Werner Buhrer drawings really were at the root of it all!

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I have the Grand Prix Guides from 1972, 9173 and 1974 (when they had switched to Giorgio Piola). I am trying to scan the Werner Buhrer illustrations that have not been shown here yet, without breaking the books. I also found a nice set of Bruno BEtti posters from old Auto Zeitung magazines.

#6409 Tony Matthews

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 18:15

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Jordan 194-Hart V10

who is the autor?!?

It looks French or Italian. I've not seen a rear tyre cut away like that, so it might be a one-off. I wonder how many illustrators have done one car cutaway and then called it a day. Must be quite a few.

I tried really hard to gain access to Jordan, as I thought the cars were very attractive, and in the early days, looked as though they were heading for fame - but it was like banging my head on a surface table. Every year I would phone and speak to Ian Philips and/or that bird who later worked for ITV doing the F1 pitlane interviews, now does the touring car chats - it'll come to me... but to no avail, didn't want a free cutaway. So there you have it.

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#6410 Tony Matthews

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 18:18

I have the Grand Prix Guides from 1972, 9173 and 1974 (when they had switched to Giorgio Piola). I am trying to scan the Werner Buhrer illustrations that have not been shown here yet, without breaking the books. I also found a nice set of Bruno BEtti posters from old Auto Zeitung magazines.

Hi Dutchy - you will have macaron jumping up and down with excitment!

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 19:03

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Lovely little (not much bigger than A4) Bill Bennett drawing of a Ginetta - dunno which model, dunno which year, there is nothing written on the back of the artwork. Copyright B Bennett for now.


Clearly a G10, as it has the V8 and IRS, but it seems to have the wrong front suspension, or at least it's different from the only other G10, the coupe, which features twin front springs. Not many people know that :wave:


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Posted 12 October 2010 - 19:44

I just found this forum and spent a long time looking at all the postings. A wealth of information. Thank you all so much.

I have the Grand Prix Guides from 1972, 9173 and 1974 (when they had switched to Giorgio Piola). I am trying to scan the Werner Buhrer illustrations that have not been shown here yet, without breaking the books. I also found a nice set of Bruno BEtti posters from old Auto Zeitung magazines.

Welkom Cor !
Like Tony implied.........I have bumped head against the ceiling !!
Those are nice Bührers ! The Italian version of the BRM is on the Werner Bührer thread along with many others.
http://forums.autosp...l=Werner Buhrer
I cleaned up and realigned the Porsche and the Ferrari.........they are just dandy!
Looking forward to more of your posts.

The Steenstra is really :up:

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#6413 Dutchy4C

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 01:20

Thanks Tony and Macoran. I scanned in 3 more below. I put a whole album of Werner Buhrer images on my Facebook page at:
http://www.facebook....mp;id=672837595

Tony, I did follow your work as well, of course, but it was always so perfect, which made it near to impossible to detect how you did it, which materials you used etc. It was out of reach for me. Especially when I found out that you were using paint...! I never could get that control over paint. It always smudged or bled just at the wrong spot or the wrong time, always making it just not right. I can't believe the control you have over your medium. It would be of very much interest to me to get a precise "how to" of your painting technique. By the way, thank you so much for posting those preliminary pencil sketches. True art!

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#6414 Tony Matthews

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 01:55

This scan was sent me by fellow TNFer Roger Lund AKA Bradbury West
It is Bill Bennett's rendering of the Felday 4 published in Motoring News
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I have just realised that this is another Bill Bennett that I have the original of. Off of. I have the original. As soon as I have managed splicing without tears I shall splice 'n' post. I'm still up because I fell asleep on the sofa between 9.30 and 11pm, the Child Bride is in Turkey and so I've got no-one to play with.

#6415 Tony Matthews

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 02:01

Tony, I did follow your work as well, of course, but it was always so perfect, which made it near to impossible to detect how you did it, which materials you used etc. It was out of reach for me. Especially when I found out that you were using paint...! I never could get that control over paint. It always smudged or bled just at the wrong spot or the wrong time, always making it just not right. I can't believe the control you have over your medium. It would be of very much interest to me to get a precise "how to" of your painting technique. By the way, thank you so much for posting those preliminary pencil sketches. True art!

Thanks Dutchy. I have mentioned painting before in some detail - in fact, I always tried to keep my colour work looking 'painted' as I didn't want to go down the super-realist road. However, if anyone is interested I could go over my own technique again, I have more interest in the process than the subject matter these days.

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 02:04

I have just realised that this is another Bill Bennett that I have the original of. Off of. I have the original. As soon as I have managed splicing without tears I shall splice 'n' post. I'm still up because I fell asleep on the sofa between 9.30 and 11pm, the Child Bride is in Turkey and so I've got no-one to play with.


- correction, rather 'the sun never sets' on your play-mates, mr matthews ....
(i'm inside because its noon and got burnt yesterday)

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#6417 Tony Matthews

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 03:07

Yes, I realise that this is a Global Thing, one of the reasons it is so pleasant. Anyway, sorry to hear about the sunburn, not something I've suffered from this year, I wouldn't have minded the opportunity. If you are where I think you are, you've got Summer to look forward to, whereas I've got mist, rain and dark afternoons ahead!


#6418 Dutchy4C

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 05:00

Thanks Dutchy. I have mentioned painting before in some detail - in fact, I always tried to keep my colour work looking 'painted' as I didn't want to go down the super-realist road. However, if anyone is interested I could go over my own technique again, I have more interest in the process than the subject matter these days.


Thanks Tony, that would certainly interest me. Ideally you would have it video taped and then posted on the Internet. That would explain the best. We did a couple of "how to" videos on my web site http://www.cardesign...dering-seminar/. It is not that difficult to do. I remember devouring a similar session by Syd Mead.


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Posted 13 October 2010 - 09:06

Dutchy, I just tried to look at your album on f-book and that's what comes up:

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The page you requested cannot be displayed at the moment. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page.

BTW: I'm logged in to facebook. :confused:

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 09:52

Thanks Dutchy. I have mentioned painting before in some detail - in fact, I always tried to keep my colour work looking 'painted' as I didn't want to go down the super-realist road. However, if anyone is interested I could go over my own technique again, I have more interest in the process than the subject matter these days.




yes please please show us your technique again. Have you thought about editing a book of your work now there is so much interest in the subject?
Bruce

#6421 Tony Matthews

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 11:25

Thanks Tony, that would certainly interest me. Ideally you would have it video taped and then posted on the Internet. That would explain the best. We did a couple of "how to" videos on my web site http://www.cardesign...dering-seminar/. It is not that difficult to do. I remember devouring a similar session by Syd Mead.

If I was to make a video I would have to buy brushes, gouache and water-colour board, then practice for some time, so that is unlikely. I'm self-taught, and the procedures I used are fairly standard, but unless you want to paint for pleasure, as a hobby, I can't see much point in it nowadays. It really is just down to practice, if neatness is what you want then manual dexterity is fairly important. And determination, with a hint of notoriety...

#6422 Dutchy4C

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 13:25

I just added you as a friend on Facebook. See if that works. I can make an album in one of my companies Facebook pages, so it most likely will be publicly accesible.

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 14:12

I just added you as a friend on Facebook. See if that works. I can make an album in one of my companies Facebook pages, so it most likely will be publicly accesible.

Hi Dutchy I believe we met at a Christmas party organised by your brother, Dan, approx 12 years ago

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 18:26

Hi Dutchy I believe we met at a Christmas party organised by your brother, Dan, approx 12 years ago


Hi Trauts,

That could well be, but I don't remember someone named Trauts.. LOL. My brother was working at Jaguar at that time, He still lives in Ladbroke, near Leamington. What was your name? Were you at Jag as well?


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Posted 13 October 2010 - 19:50

It looks French or Italian. I've not seen a rear tyre cut away like that, so it might be a one-off. I wonder how many illustrators have done one car cutaway and then called it a day. Must be quite a few.

I tried really hard to gain access to Jordan, as I thought the cars were very attractive, and in the early days, looked as though they were heading for fame - but it was like banging my head on a surface table. Every year I would phone and speak to Ian Philips and/or that bird who later worked for ITV doing the F1 pitlane interviews, now does the touring car chats - it'll come to me... but to no avail, didn't want a free cutaway. So there you have it.


I think the 'bird' is Louise Goodman Mr Matthews. Their loss my friend.

#6426 Tony Matthews

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 20:27

I think the 'bird' is Louise Goodman Mr Matthews. Their loss my friend.

Thank you sidny, yes of course, Louise Goodman - no offence was meant, I just couldn't remember her name. The term 'bird' is complimentary where I come from, if a little informal.

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 20:29

Hi Trauts,

That could well be, but I don't remember someone named Trauts.. LOL. My brother was working at Jaguar at that time, He still lives in Ladbroke, near Leamington. What was your name? Were you at Jag as well?

I sense a connection...

#6428 Dutchy4C

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 21:14

LOL.. It is such a small world, isn't it?

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 21:50

LOL.. It is such a small world, isn't it?

It is !! but only because LOL written back to front still reads LOL

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 21:54

Thank you sidny, yes of course, Louise Goodman - no offence was meant, I just couldn't remember her name. The term 'bird' is complimentary where I come from, if a little informal.



None taken Tony, the term 'bird' where i'm from (Barnsley) is a huge compliment only second to 'the boot'.Just thought i'd do my good deed for the day. small i know but 'every little helps' so they say.
ps, Hope your feeling better.

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 22:28

Lola T93-00 1993 by Giulio Betti

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 23:23

None taken Tony, the term 'bird' where i'm from (Barnsley) is a huge compliment only second to 'the boot'.Just thought i'd do my good deed for the day. small i know but 'every little helps' so they say.
ps, Hope your feeling better.

Nice one, sidny, we must all do our bit. I'm OK, thanks.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 03:49

I have created 2 extensive galleries, one specifically for the Werner Buhrer images, and one will all the cut outs I collected thus far. I posted them here:

Werner Buhrer

Cut away drawings

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 08:42

I just went through a whole stack of old Opel magazines to check what cutaways the Betti brothers did for Opel.
Bruno did:
1919 8/25 PS
1932 Moonlight Roadster
Manta A
Senator B
Kadett 4x4 (Group B/S prototype)
Astra G
Omega A 3000; Lotus Omega; Omega B
Vectra A 2000 4x4; Vectra B

Giulio did:
1913 GP race car
1936 Kadett
1937 Admiral Convertible
Diplomat A V8
GT
Astra F GSi 16V
Calibra
Vactra A
Corsa B GSi
Tigra

There are propably more I don't know about but that are the drawings I have as A1 format prints.
I hope that I'll find a way to get them somehow into digital form to post them.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 09:00

Hi Trauts,

That could well be, but I don't remember someone named Trauts.. LOL. My brother was working at Jaguar at that time, He still lives in Ladbroke, near Leamington. What was your name? Were you at Jag as well?

Hi Dutchy, yes I worked with your brother at Jaguar I used the name Stuart Spencer for the day job, I think you and I also met at the MGA Studios. Please pass on my regards to your brother


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Posted 14 October 2010 - 12:14

Mercedes Benz W196 by Giorgio Alisi

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Flesh, bone and sinew! The colouring is almost anatomical!

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 22:27

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Cooper Formula Junior Hydroelastic suspension experiment. 1963.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 22:28

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1965 Ferrari 1512, flat-twelve 1489cc.

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Jaguar D-type. By Vic Berris

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#6440 Tony Matthews

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 01:04

Mercedes Benz W196 by Giorgio Alisi

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That is particularly nice, and I wouldn't mind betting that smarjoram will think so too, if he hasn't already seen it.

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 14:08

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1965 Ferrari 1512, flat-twelve 1489cc.


nice larger format of Bruno Betti's 1512 - thanks. Interestingly, when first published by Quattroruote, they mistakenly labeled it a 512, which is a completely different car.
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Posted 15 October 2010 - 19:11

nice larger format of Bruno Betti's 1512 - thanks. Interestingly, when first published by Quattroruote, they mistakenly labeled it a 512, which is a completely different car.
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Peter


:up: It actually scanned in at 10000x6000, so I'm pretty sure you could upscale it further (the right amount of information should still be contained in the image) or pm me for the super-duper size version.

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 19:12

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Rolls-Royce Camargue. By Vic Berris.

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 19:12

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Rolls-Royce Camargue. By Vic Berris.

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 19:13

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Works BMW 3.0 CSL European Touring Car. B. Betti. (A slightly larger version of the beast)

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The B.M.C. Minicar Front Suspension, Wheel Power Drive and Steering Members.

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 19:14

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Fiat Dino V6 (Detuned Ferrari Dino unit). By Guilo Betti.

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 23:17

Lawrence Watts' Range Rover
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Lawrence Watts' Range Rover
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Very nice Marc! It starts to look good when you know you have never seen a particular work before!

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 00:14

Ferrari Testa Rossa by James Allington
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