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#6451 simplebrother

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 00:19

Here are a couple by Paul Bambrick that we haven't seen...

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Lancia Aurelia GT 2500 - 1954

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Morris Mini-Cooper S - 1970

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 08:54

Lawrence Watts' Range Rover
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I had the great pleasure of meeting Lawrence (Lawrie) Watts on several occasions the last one was when he signed for me a copy of his excellent book "Watts my Line?" For those of you that are interested I think it can be purchased through www.redlinebooks.co.uk. It is fascinating because it covers all spectrums of cuttaway illustration

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 09:24

Here are a couple by Paul Bambrick that we haven't seen...
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Lancia Aurelia GT 2500 - 1954
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and this is Bruno Betti's version, touchingly similar !!!
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#6454 Tony Matthews

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 09:28

Ooops!

#6455 werks prototype

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 22:59

I had the great pleasure of meeting Lawrence (Lawrie) Watts on several occasions the last one was when he signed for me a copy of his excellent book "Watts my Line?" For those of you that are interested I think it can be purchased through www.redlinebooks.co.uk. It is fascinating because it covers all spectrums of cuttaway illustration


One of my favourite Lawrence Watts works is the rather humble 1976 Suzuki RG500 motorcycle engine.

Could I ask you Mr Spencer, if during your time at the Jaguar Design Studio, you were responsible for a very nice poster. If I remember correctly, it depicted an XJ13 sports racing prototype travelling from left to right along the top of the image with a Jaguar (animal) seated in the foreground?

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 23:00

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Jaguar XK120C. By John Ferguson.

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 23:00

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Alfa Romeo Giulietta. B.Betti.

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 23:01

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Maserati V6 as incorporated into the Citroen SM. By B. Betti.

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 13:42

One of my favourite Lawrence Watts works is the rather humble 1976 Suzuki RG500 motorcycle engine.

Could I ask you Mr Spencer, if during your time at the Jaguar Design Studio, you were responsible for a very nice poster. If I remember correctly, it depicted an XJ13 sports racing prototype travelling from left to right along the top of the image with a Jaguar (animal) seated in the foreground?

Hi Werks the Suzuki RG500 squar four is on page 23 of Watts my Line.

Please call me Stuart I am a very simple "Brummie" and yes I did an illustration of the XJ13 the centre piece was the engine and the Jaguar cat was supposed to be leaping over it but I was never comfortable with the composition. :)

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 16:14

I recently stitched together an illustration from 100 Greatest Books that both of my editions attribute to Caarl Knowles.

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Lotus Esprit Turbo (type 82) - 1985

However, when I went to tuck it away in its folder I noticed another very similar (I can't see a difference other than color tones) that I had attributed to Andrew Dibben.
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Lotus Esprit Turbo (type 82) - 1980-87

I am fairy sure of the illustrator for the second one because I also have a black and white that is signed "Andrew Dibben".
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Lotus Esprit Turbo (type 82) - 1980-87

Can anyone clear up my confusion?
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#6461 werks prototype

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 16:14

Hi Werks the Suzuki RG500 squar four is on page 23 of Watts my Line.

Please call me Stuart I am a very simple "Brummie" and yes I did an illustration of the XJ13 the centre piece was the engine and the Jaguar cat was supposed to be leaping over it but I was never comfortable with the composition. :)


I remember that particular illustration very well Stuart. It was probably the first time that I had seen such a car drawn like that in profile. I remember thinking, this is different, 'there is a lot more going on here than the usual advertising fare/poster campaigns that we usually see for other things'. I liked it very much.

Similarly, the thing that I like about that particular Lawrence Watts, Suzuki RG500 motorcycle engine, is the way in which it appears to have been first dismantled and then laid out across a table, he then seems to have just sat down and drawn it almost as a kind of still life.

You know, you mention that you are from the hallowed automotive/engineering stomping ground that is the Black Country, well, my Dad is currently still known as 'Brum' despite him actually emerging from Wolverhampton! The perils of life on the South coast I'm afraid!



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Posted 17 October 2010 - 16:17

Can anyone clear up my confusion?
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See page 106 Peter. :up:

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 16:24

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Aston Martin DB2. Artist as yet unknown!

#6464 simplebrother

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 17:23

See page 106 Peter. :up:


Thanks - that explains where I got the two Andrew Dibben's illustrations, but doesn't explain the illustration being attributed to Caarl Knowles in 100 Great Cars. My editions are '88 and '94 - pages 220-221. Is it the same in versions or editions distributed in other than the US? Some of the illustrations I have seen here and elsewhere are clearly different than mine - bar across the top is different, other minor differences that can be seen in single scans - perhaps it is an error that was corrected in other edition?

That book sometimes credits the magazine instead of the illustrator (e.g., Quattroruote instead of Bruno Betti), but looks like an oops.

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 19:30

Sometimes an illustrator who colours an existing illustration is credited, by design or error, with the complete job. I don't think this is really correct, although, as I have posted before, my Cooper Climax colour cutaway was based on Jim Allington's earlier B&W cutaway. I agonised, very briefly, over this, but as I had paid Jim handsomely for the use, and I was in a panic to go on holiday - and, sometimes, huge complications are caused by giving publishers too much information - I kept schtum. If I was to do it again, I would give acknowledgement. However, so much of my work has been plagiarized without asking or giving credit, that I have become more or less used to it.

Andrew Dibben did that cutaway whilst in the employ of Lotus Cars, so in effect it was their copyright, or at least they held sway over AD's work. It may be that it was coloured by another Lotus employee, but we may never know unless AD enlightens us, which is unlikely, but you never know...

By the way Andrew Dibben has a website of his landscapes, which I think are terrific. Check 'em out.

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 21:26

BMW 318i Italian "Superturismo" Championship 1993 by Bruno Betti

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 22:49

Not a cutaway, but it is by The Artist !
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I don't remember for sure, but I think I found it on the net sometime ago, at least I can't remember having an
article or a book on the subject matter

#6468 Tony Matthews

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 23:17

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I don't remember for sure, but I think I found it on the net sometime ago, at least I can't remember having an
article or a book on the subject matter

Now that is what I meant about colouring! Not done by me, not done with my permission, but my name still on it! Odd. It was used in B&W in Peter Wright's book 'Formula One Technology', published by the SAE, still selling, slowly...

#6469 simplebrother

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 00:53

I was playing this afternoon and ran across the following...
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not large scale, but perhaps fun for some of us

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 10:50

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Subaru FF1


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Mitsubishi Lancer evo wrc4


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BMW M304


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BMW M605


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BMW Z8



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Alfa Romeo Alfasude



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Citroen Xsara T4

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 12:09

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1951 Nash Airflyte


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1952 Nash the Golden Airflyte


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BMW 600 Isetta Limo



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Heinkel


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Messerschmitt

#6472 Tony Matthews

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 12:35

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I like that.

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 15:42

Hi Werks the Suzuki RG500 squar four is on page 23 of Watts my Line.

Please call me Stuart I am a very simple "Brummie" and yes I did an illustration of the XJ13 the centre piece was the engine and the Jaguar cat was supposed to be leaping over it but I was never comfortable with the composition. :)


I don't think I have ever seen the illustration you describe - any chance of posting it?

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 15:51

Hi Stuart,


I don't if you remember him, but Frosty, Martin Frost, is here in the US. I have done quite a few projects with him now. He sends his regards.


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Posted 18 October 2010 - 16:15

I remember that particular illustration very well Stuart. It was probably the first time that I had seen such a car drawn like that in profile. I remember thinking, this is different, 'there is a lot more going on here than the usual advertising fare/poster campaigns that we usually see for other things'. I liked it very much.

Similarly, the thing that I like about that particular Lawrence Watts, Suzuki RG500 motorcycle engine, is the way in which it appears to have been first dismantled and then laid out across a table, he then seems to have just sat down and drawn it almost as a kind of still life.

You know, you mention that you are from the hallowed automotive/engineering stomping ground that is the Black Country, well, my Dad is currently still known as 'Brum' despite him actually emerging from Wolverhampton! The perils of life on the South coast I'm afraid!

Werks thanks for the kind remarks, when given a management position I was unable to draw/paint in the day so to save my sanity produced artwork in my free time the XJ13 being one of them, this is possibly why it doesn't have a corporate face.
Very interesting your remark re Lawrence Watts, he once told me that he sometimes DID approach an "exploded" engine drawing as a still life arranging the components more fluid than assembled.

Re your Dad I worked with many wonderful Black Country people and to call them a "Brummie" was not the way to remain on their Christmas card list!

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 16:20

I don't think I have ever seen the illustration you describe - any chance of posting it?

Hi Nev would love to post it and several others but computers and myself are not the best of pals, will try to work out how but could take a while. The term "Simple Brummie" is very apt.

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 16:26

Hi Stuart,


I don't if you remember him, but Frosty, Martin Frost, is here in the US. I have done quite a few projects with him now. He sends his regards.


Cor

Cheers Dutchy, Frosty is a good guy long time no-see. Good grief after all this activity I will have to have a lie down.


#6478 Tony Matthews

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 16:37

Stuart has left the building.

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 17:35

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I don't think this has been posted yet, apologies if it has.

1961 Lola Mk. 3 Formula Junior by Hatton. From "Formula Junior Competition Cars", Temple Press

PM me if you want the full-resolution scan (5377 x 3456, 7.75 MB).

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#6480 Tony Matthews

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 17:39

PM me if you want the full-resolution scan (5377 x 3456, 7.75 MB).

What do we do if we want one that fits our screens? :)

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 17:51

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Lotus 12. By John. A. Marsden.

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 17:51

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1952 Cunningham C-2R. By Rex Burnett
This appears (in a contemporary context) in the book mentioned by Ibsen at post #5825 "Sports Racing Cars". With many other great drawings.

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 17:53

What do we do if we want one that fits our screens? :)



What's the best size?

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 17:56

Werks thanks for the kind remarks, when given a management position I was unable to draw/paint in the day so to save my sanity produced artwork in my free time the XJ13 being one of them, this is possibly why it doesn't have a corporate face.

It is very interesting to hear the background context of that particular image in this way, and to have it confirmed as not being part of any corporate sanctioned work (for want of a better phrase). I think this must be why that particular image has stayed with me.

Very interesting your remark re Lawrence Watts, he once told me that he sometimes DID approach an "exploded" engine drawing as a still life arranging the components more fluid than assembled.

Re your Dad I worked with many wonderful Black Country people and to call them a "Brummie" was not the way to remain on their Christmas card list!

That really is a fascinating insight. It completely makes sense now. Because it feels more like viewing a couple of apples, a block of cheese and a bottle of wine laid out on a table, or even perhaps an amount of engine components about to be cleaned on a Saturday afternoon, as opposed to having everything sort of hovering up in the air.

Two wonderful insights Stuart! Thank you very much.

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 19:06

What do we do if we want one that fits our screens? :)


Press 'Ctrl -' a couple of times :wave:

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 19:50

Hi Nev would love to post it and several others but computers and myself are not the best of pals, will try to work out how but could take a while. The term "Simple Brummie" is very apt.


It seems that "simple but talented Brummie" may be more apt?

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 20:36

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Lotus Type 16. By John. A. Marsden.

Pedant time, Mark
Lotus 12 methinks
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Posted 18 October 2010 - 21:18

Press 'Ctrl -' a couple of times :wave:

You 'avin' a laugh? Is 'e 'avin' a laugh?

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 22:01

You 'avin' a laugh? Is 'e 'avin' a laugh?

I think e's 'avin' a larf !
but he is right though !
so he is still "larfing"

just don't forget to punch ctrl+ if you want to get everything back to normal again !

Edited by macoran, 18 October 2010 - 22:09.


#6490 Tony Matthews

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 22:29

All it does is take me to a Google Desktop.

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 22:31

All it does is take me to a Google Desktop.

hmmm

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 23:20

It has been pretty active in here, while I have been at the California Hot Rod Reunion. I had a couple of more of these sitting that I was going to put out with the four that I will include, but I thought I should get these on the way.
Stepping from the line drawings that I have been posting lately, I pulled some of the color things that I had for you.
This starts with a David Kimble piece that was done when Dodge got back into NASCAR in 1990. This is the Dodge Intrepid NASCAR ... looks like the prototype that I drew for Action Performance for their diecast of the vehicle, as this illustration was part of their special Automobiles Magazine insert for the program.
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Posted 18 October 2010 - 23:22

Second up is a Ford Duratec V8 that appeared in a special Insert for the Lincoln CS, again by David Kimble.
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Posted 18 October 2010 - 23:24

Misstated that last one, it is the Lincoln LS ... and this is the entire car by David Kimble.
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Posted 18 October 2010 - 23:30

This is a piece out of Car Craft Magazine, June, 1971. The Tommy Grove Mustang Funny car is illustrated by Shusei Nagaoka. Nagaoka was at a studio called Design Maru, in Los Angeles at the time, but had established a reputation for great record album artwork, which was his main work at the time. I know that you can find him online, but there is no reference that I found for this automotive stuff that he was doing.
Last piece for now.
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Posted 19 October 2010 - 04:53

Pedant time, Mark
Lotus 12 methinks
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Whoops! Sorry and thanks Roger!

Is it the engine size?

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 04:57

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1939 V-16 Alfa Romeo GP. By Cavara.


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Jaguar D-type rear suspension. Artist unknown. Not a cutaway.

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#6498 Tony Matthews

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 08:02

Is it the engine size?

No, it just came after the 11.

#6499 werks prototype

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 09:40

No, it just came after the 11.


I see!

I was thinking along the lines of the transition between the 1.5-litre Formula 2 car, to the Coventry-Climax engined car of 58.

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 11:52

Blimey, don't complicate things! Shortly before his untimely, death Andrew Ferguson sent out a ring-binder containing sheets listing all Team Lotus and Lotus Cars model numbers, with brief descriptions of the vehicle. I can't think it was just me that got one, but I have no idea how many were released. Very useful, and very interesting - if only I can find it.