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#6901 helioseism

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 02:28

MG EX181 by page.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 03:02

Lotus 12 F2 by Page.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 03:03

This is the ill-fated Leyland 500 "Fixed Head" engine from the late 60's drawn by who(?) for Motor Transport magazine. It was a brave effort by Leyland Motors to break out of the lackluster paradigm of typical truck engines of that era. The specification was impressive: a fixed head or monoblock module that bolted onto the crankcase, gear drive from the flywheel end of the crank up to the SOHC that rode on direct-acting bucket tappets, gear drive for all accessories including the alternator, and available in both naturally aspirated and turbocharged builds.

Although launched with high hopes, it signally failed to live up to its promise, proving to be very unreliable and playing a part in the demise of British Leyland.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 03:18

Arrows A11 by Piola.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 03:42

Top: 1953 Norton-Watsonian Sidecar as raced by Eric Oliver. Bottom: 1954 Norton-Watsonian Mark II, also raced by Oliver. Both by Laurie Watts.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 06:17

This is the ill-fated Leyland 500 "Fixed Head" engine from the late 60's drawn by who(?) for Motor Transport magazine. It was a brave effort by Leyland Motors to break out of the lackluster paradigm of typical truck engines of that era. The specification was impressive: a fixed head or monoblock module that bolted onto the crankcase, gear drive from the flywheel end of the crank up to the SOHC that rode on direct-acting bucket tappets, gear drive for all accessories including the alternator, and available in both naturally aspirated and turbocharged builds.

Although launched with high hopes, it signally failed to live up to its promise, proving to be very unreliable and playing a part in the demise of British Leyland.

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It may well be one of the usual suspects, I think we have seen commercial trucking cutaways from Ellis, Baker, Berris and Watts. It could also be R.J.Way. The reason I say that, is because, basically I have a Bedford, six-cylinder, commercial by Way, from the same source. So, not guaranteed, but an extra hat, at least, to throw into the ring.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 06:18

Top: 1953 Norton-Watsonian Sidecar as raced by Eric Oliver. Bottom: 1954 Norton-Watsonian Mark II, also raced by Oliver. Both by Laurie Watts.

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:up: Great stuff helioseism! All of it, really unique stuff!

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 09:22

That's right.

I returned to the original article, and in the case of the Silver Ghost, the following specification is given:

Susupension: Front, dead forged axle and 10-leaf springs; rear, fully floating axle and 13-leaf springs. Transverse 11-leaf spring anchored to two diagonal chassis members and ends of leaf springs.

Apparently, it was great on the 'trial courses' of 1907.

The system, as Onelung wrote, was not uncommon and it was referred to as "platform" rear suspension in period and was intended for comfort. "Trial courses" in 1907 were not like the trials courses of today, although the surfacing of the normal roads was poor by today's standards.
Many cars had threequarter elliptic rear springs and the platform arrangement was a way of getting a similar effect which avoided the heavy-duty clamping and severe rear chassis bending moments of the threequarter.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 09:53

The system, as Onelung wrote, was not uncommon and it was referred to as "platform" rear suspension in period and was intended for comfort. "Trial courses" in 1907 were not like the trials courses of today, although the surfacing of the normal roads was poor by today's standards.
Many cars had threequarter elliptic rear springs and the platform arrangement was a way of getting a similar effect which avoided the heavy-duty clamping and severe rear chassis bending moments of the threequarter.



:up: "Platform rear-suspension". That's an interesting term.

Again, returning to the article, it seems the system was indeed deemed successful.

"Travelling behind the Ghost is an experience too, for the suspension can be seen working hard with large movements while the body hardly moves at all"

You are right about the nature of a 1907 trials, with the following description, "an average gradient of 1 in 11 for 850ft, with 72ft of 1 in 7.8" indicating more of a 'straight up the hill' type thing.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 11:50

1955 MGA Le Mans car by Page.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 11:51

MG EX135 by Millar. Ibsen's index says that this was posted on page 112, but I do not see it. Sorry if it's a repost.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 21:22

Austin 750cc race car by Ferguson.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 21:41

MG EX135 by Millar. Ibsen's index says that this was posted on page 112, but I do not see it. Sorry if it's a repost.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 21:46

These are usually surrounded by a few of those 'Piola' like non-'cutaway sketches'? little bits and pieces (modifications applied to car throughout the season). I have a stack of those little bits and pieces by D'Alessio, McLaren, Ferrari, Jordan etc, but I'm never really sure what to do with them.


These are surrounded by text and photos.

Ligier JS17 by Paolo D'Alessio

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Mclaren MP4 by Paolo D'Alessio

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TNF Cutaway Index - updated - page 170 - post 6776 => part A - post 6777 => part B

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 22:56

A 'slightly' (two or three pixels) larger 935 (any excuse).

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Porsche 935. Late 1976 model, water-air intercoolers. Technical Art/Bruno Betti..

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Turbocharging installation of Porsche 935 engine.

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Cross section of production Porsche 911-930 Turbo engine.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 22:57

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Unitary automotive construction. By Guilo Betti.




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Posted 13 November 2010 - 17:21

1936 Delage 1500 cc. Artist unknown, initials are DA.

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 18:01

1936 Delage 1500 cc. Artist unknown, initials are DA.

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While I would not take this to the bank yet, I believe the name was Aubois, although I don't have my drive with the cutaway files mounted at the moment to check for you. I know there have been other illustrations that I have come across with that name, and this appears to be the same style.
Will dig out that first name, assuming that I have it, when I get a chance ... and it someone else does not come up with it first.
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Posted 13 November 2010 - 18:38

While I would not take this to the bank yet, I believe the name was Aubois, although I don't have my drive with the cutaway files mounted at the moment to check for you. I know there have been other illustrations that I have come across with that name, and this appears to be the same style.
Will dig out that first name, assuming that I have it, when I get a chance ... and it someone else does not come up with it first.
Tom West



It might be the other D.A, Tom, D. Andrews, as opposed to who I think you mean, D. Attwood? (where Aubois is the pseudonym used by Attwood).

I think it is also only about the second or third cutaway 'Chiaroscuro' I have ever seen. It is a film noir of the cutaway world!

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#6920 Tony Matthews

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 21:22

I think it is also only about the second or third cutaway 'Chiaroscuro' I have ever seen. It is a film noir of the cutaway world!

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Does this count?



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Posted 13 November 2010 - 23:44

Very definitely!

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 07:26

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Pegaso Z102b - 1953, John Lawson

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 08:58

Williams FW07B by Paolo D'Alessio

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 15:40

1962 Morris 1100 by Blockwell.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 15:41

Lotus Elan by Page.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 16:44

Lada 1500 - Terry Davey

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 16:46

Porsche 911 (901) - 1974 2.7 Carrera by Terry Davey - I thought Tom had already posted this, but I couldn't find it on the list

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 16:49

1957 Cooper T43 Formula Junior Mk. 2 by Page.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 16:50

1957/58 Gordini Formula Junior chassis by Page.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 17:55

The engine from the MG EX181. Artist unknown.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 19:33

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Does this count?

Hi Tony not sure if it can count but it makes a lovely burbling noise when thinking. Seriously that is one lovely piece of artwork.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 19:57

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Triumph vertical twin. By John Ferguson.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 19:57

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Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost. By Vic Berris.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 19:57

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Delage, 1.5 Litre. 1927. By Vic Berris.


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Posted 14 November 2010 - 19:58

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The D.K.W. Model F.12 Front Drive Car, Front Unit. Artist unknown.

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The Morris and Austin Minicar Front Drive Transmission. Artist unknown.

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Austin Four-speed Gearbox and Clutch Unit. Artist unknown.

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 20:50

Lotus 88 by Paolo D'Alessio

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TNF Cutaway Index - updated - page 170 - post 6776 => part A - post 6777 => part B

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 23:32

one great Berris drawing that had escaped us

where was this originally published ?????


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Delage, 1.5 Litre. 1927. By Vic Berris.



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Posted 16 November 2010 - 07:27

Hi Tony not sure if it can count but it makes a lovely burbling noise when thinking. Seriously that is one lovely piece of artwork.

Thank you, Stuart.

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 11:14

one great Berris drawing that had escaped us

where was this originally published ?????


Originally published in Autocar, asapiro. But, this source, and for a better quality print, is found in 'Engines, The Search for power' By John Day.

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 12:29

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Subaru SVX 1995. Artist unknown. (In-house).

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 12:30

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Bertone's Nivola. Transverse-mounted LTS V8. Illustration by Bertone. (Slightly larger than previous).

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 12:30

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Lancia Stratos. Sketch by Chris Plant.

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 12:35


Tony, do you remember producing the 1977 Porsche 924 GB cup car 'non-cutaway' concept artwork? Can I ask, was there much of an interesting backstory to how that particular project came about?

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 13:19

Tony, do you remember producing the 1977 Porsche 924 GB cup car 'non-cutaway' concept artwork? Can I ask, was there much of an interesting backstory to how that particular project came about?


If we are talking about the same grubby little rendering, I thought I did it whilst still in the employ of Motoring News, in which case Mike Cotton walzed into my 'studio' , some time before February 1976, when I escaped, and said can we have a drawing of a 924 looking like a racer, and I did my best. If it was done in '77 it must have involved a phone call. So, completely uninteresting, I'm afraid, like so much illustrating. Still, more interesting than drawing Ford Cortina seat illustrations. I suppose. That is not meant to imply that illustrating simple subjects is always tedious, but there has to be something about them to grab the attention, and if I had not been able to worm my way into illustrating some of the most interesting competition cars and associated bits I would have jacked it in years earlier.

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 13:55

If we are talking about the same grubby little rendering, I thought I did it whilst still in the employ of Motoring News, in which case Mike Cotton walzed into my 'studio' , some time before February 1976, when I escaped, and said can we have a drawing of a 924 looking like a racer, and I did my best. If it was done in '77 it must have involved a phone call. So, completely uninteresting, I'm afraid, like so much illustrating. Still, more interesting than drawing Ford Cortina seat illustrations. I suppose. That is not meant to imply that illustrating simple subjects is always tedious, but there has to be something about them to grab the attention, and if I had not been able to worm my way into illustrating some of the most interesting competition cars and associated bits I would have jacked it in years earlier.


Ok! so it seems it was the product of a Waltz then. Nevertheless, Grubby little rendering? That is way too harsh! I'm embarrassed to say then, especially in this context, that I think it is quite slick, (probably more of a reflection of me then, than you). I won't post it. It compares very well with the Buhrer renderings of the same subject. Was the original a colour work?


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Posted 16 November 2010 - 22:00

If we are talking about the same grubby little rendering, I thought I did it whilst still in the employ of Motoring News, in which case Mike Cotton walzed into my 'studio' , some time before February 1976, when I escaped, and said can we have a drawing of a 924 looking like a racer, and I did my best. If it was done in '77 it must have involved a phone call. So, completely uninteresting, I'm afraid, like so much illustrating. Still, more interesting than drawing Ford Cortina seat illustrations. I suppose. That is not meant to imply that illustrating simple subjects is always tedious, but there has to be something about them to grab the attention, and if I had not been able to worm my way into illustrating some of the most interesting competition cars and associated bits I would have jacked it in years earlier.


Tony,
I know that I had the same experience with General Motors, and have spoken with a few others over here who originally thought that working for the General was going to be the height of design and engineering. I know that Harry Bradley was assigned to a parts desk, and I believe that Kenny Youngblood was, as well, at one point. Both left, as have others who just couldn't take the tedium of engineering door handles as their specialty. I would think that after a week you would be trying to figure out what to do for the rest of the year.
I went to school with a guy who came out of Fisher Body Engineering in Detroit. I asked what he knew what he was going to be doing. Yes, indeed, he was going to take over a design desk from a guy who was retiring ... the door trimstick attachment desk. I tried to figure out why that wasn't combined with the front fenders or the quarter panel attachments, to which he looked at me funny and said there was no need. Why would you want to? If, in fact, that still exists, I can picture him having been at that same desk for almost 40 years, content with doing the same thing.
Which may be the reason for the downfall of GM of late. You can't keep up with better competition when you are populated with people like that.
So, drawing Cortina Seats ... probably interesting compared to what some folks do for a living ...
Tom West

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 23:06

I'm sure there are worse jobs, Tom, but really, how many of these do you want to do?

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 00:17

I'm sure there are worse jobs, Tom, but really, how many of these do you want to do?

I guess the insomniacs could count seats instead of sheep... :stoned:

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 00:38

I guess the insomniacs could count seats instead of sheep... :stoned:

Very true! As an indication that a simple illusration can be a pleasure to do, here is a Penske 7300 Series damper - the chance to draw small items quite large and get the airbrush out. This was done the same size as a car or engine cutaway, as the original was destined to be framed and hung in the Penske Shocks emporium, along with it's partner, posted earlier. It meant the knurling and surface finish could be done in some detail.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 01:55

I'm sure there are worse jobs, Tom, but really, how many of these do you want to do?

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Tony, I have had some things along that line at times, but they were so far apart that they weren't overly boring at the time. Been lucky at times with this .. of course, I would never have made a living from it either.
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