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#7201 macoran

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Posted 19 December 2010 - 23:32

Because you use a commendable degree of caution!

Thank you Sir!

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#7202 MEI

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 12:22

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I found this some time ago on the Russian site, but I don't think it has been posted here. Please can one of you confirm the artist? Malcolm

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 16:50

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I found this some time ago on the Russian site, but I don't think it has been posted here. Please can one of you confirm the artist? Malcolm

It looks so very much like this Imprezza by Makoto Ouchi !
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Posted 20 December 2010 - 18:23

It looks so very much like this Imprezza by Makoto Ouchi !
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Thanks Marc. When scaled up, the basic chassis of your image overlays mine precisely. However, I believe that my image is of the 2001 spec car (reg X9 SRT) whereas yours has been updated to the 2004 spec (S?0 WRT). [Source: Motorsport Forum Imprezza thread]. I enjoyed that bit of research - one of the benefits of being largely snowed in!

So I am now confident that both drawings are Ouchi's. Malcolm

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 22:38

GM XP512 1969 hibrid concept by unknown artist

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#7206 Flightlinearts

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 13:38

Thank you Tim, it's mutual. As I have said before, Jim Allington didn't seem to know, or communicate with, other illustrators, and my experience of working for him, then Motor Sport/Motoring News and then freelancing meant that my path very rarely crossed that of other established illustrators. I am ashamed to say that when I went to Ketteringham Hall for the last time to do a cutaway of a Lotus, another illustrator was there, also gathering info for a cutaway, but I cannot remember his name. My bad.

Most of the effort put into this thread is by those who have cutaways on file, or ferret them from obscure publications - all I have is my own work. I think I collected half a dozen cutaways that I really liked, or felt I could learn from, but they have gone. Oh, and a few Bill Bennets that I rescued from a fate worse than death when I left Standard House. My main interest is in the techniques involved, the process, manual or digital (with a bias towards manual) of preparing a cutaway, of any subject.


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Hope you can help me? I worked with the late Frank Munger for many years and I have over 40 of his original drawings - mainly aeronautical (The aircraft which are mainly pre 1940 were all drawn after his retirement).
I have two car drawings, one shown here is a Autocar drawing, which I hope someone can identify and the other is of a Morgan three wheeler, done in the late 1940's.

Tim Hall

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 14:13

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over 40 of his original drawings - mainly aeronautical (The aircraft which are mainly pre 1940 were all drawn after his retirement).
... I hope someone can identify and the other is of a Morgan three wheeler, done in the late 1940's.

Tim Hall


you are in the right place for an very specific id but all i can suggest is lotus elan - i really just wanted to be first to beg for you to post the rest
cheers steven

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 17:22

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1976 Suzuki RG500 four-cylinder, two-stroke engine. By Lawrence Watts.

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 17:22

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Bianchi 350-500 development, Two-cylinder, 1962-63. By Paolo Riccioni and Guido Canestrari.

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 17:23

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Rolls-Royce 1932, 20-25 h.p. T B S Series chassis. By John Ferguson.

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 17:23

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Rolls-Royce Dart Turboprop. R-R In-house illustration.

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 17:23

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Volvo 250 Penta twin-cylinder, two-stroke outboard engine. By R.J.Way.

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 17:42

The cutaway is the work of the illustrators from Product Support Graphics at Roll-Royce Derby. Product Support Graphics was set up to support the engineering depts at Rolls-Royce and their work was always drawn up in pencil and then airbrushed.
Later the airbrushing was put out. Sadly the dept was closed some years ago.
I was lucky to visit the dept when I was working for Flight International.
Nowadays their drawings are produced from solids. Sadly the days of the classic colour cutaways from the manufacturers are gone.
I started working for IPC Business Press in 1977 and in those days there was a central art dept which employed several cutaway artists. Vic Berris, Dick Ellis, John Hostler, Frank Munger and John Marsden were amongst them.
Those days are long gone. Flight International still publishes cutaways. They are now coloured, and still adhere to the base drawings being lined drawings. The colouring being completed in Photoshop.
The material is taken from 2D material. No manufacturer will ever provide 3D models.
Tim Hall


Thanks very much for identifying that specific department. Rolls-Royce must have certainly done their bit in supporting the cutaway specialism over the years. Many great works seem to have emerged anonymously or under the radar as it were from there, with little or no fan-fair, but it is very difficult to actually pin a name down on most of the works, especially the gas-turbines.

Your visit to Product Support Graphics must have been a fascinating experience. Can I ask, without appearing too ignorant, if your visit resulted in a specific article relating to the work done there?

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 18:09

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Hope you can help me? I worked with the late Frank Munger for many years and I have over 40 of his original drawings - mainly aeronautical (The aircraft which are mainly pre 1940 were all drawn after his retirement).
I have two car drawings, one shown here is a Autocar drawing, which I hope someone can identify and the other is of a Morgan three wheeler, done in the late 1940's.

Tim Hall


Hi Tim

That is definitely a Lotus Elan. It has Lotus on the cam covers. I like you, used to work at Polygraphic Ltd in Titchfield, just after you left. I worked with Dave Hatchard, Bill Athawes and Pete Hayden. What are your plans for the illustrations?

#7215 Tony Matthews

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 19:19

That is definitely a Lotus Elan.

I'd forgotten about the triangulated wire reinforcing 'girders' bonded into the shell of the Elan. Just seeing them brought back a lot of memories, mainly the smell of resin! We did a lot of work on the Elan workshop manual from references collected at Panshanger Aerodrome, where Lotus had their service department, and ACBC flew from and landed at occasionally. Keegan Air where there too...

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 23:00

GM Electrovair II 1966 electric car concept by unknown artist

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 03:02

There's a couple of new HGV cutaways posted on Biglorryblog:-

(1) US-Spec Volvo NH (looks hand-drawn)
(2) EU-Spec Volvo FH

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 09:24

Thanks very much for identifying that specific department. Rolls-Royce must have certainly done their bit in supporting the cutaway specialism over the years. Many great works seem to have emerged anonymously or under the radar as it were from there, with little or no fan-fair, but it is very difficult to actually pin a name down on most of the works, especially the gas-turbines.

Your visit to Product Support Graphics must have been a fascinating experience. Can I ask, without appearing too ignorant, if your visit resulted in a specific article relating to the work done there?

Thanks for your enquiry. There were several outstanding technical illustrators in the dept. I am afraid that I cannot remember any names. On my first visit there (on a Trent 700 cutaway for Flight), I was given a verbal history of how the dept started. The bloke who started it had worked at Illife in the studio and when he started at Rolls-Royce in Tech Pubs, he managed to persuade them to produce illustrations that supported the engineers for illustrative support for meetings and to show pictorially how the ideas looked. This grew into the great coloured cutaways that they produced. So interestingly the idea came from Illife. They were named Product Support Graphics at some point (They were not part of the Tech Pubs dept), but I could not say when that was. One of the original blokes used to draw up and airbrush his drawings and they were excellent.
I may have some written material somewhere I will try and find it.

Tim Hall

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 09:30

Hi Tim

That is definitely a Lotus Elan. It has Lotus on the cam covers. I like you, used to work at Polygraphic Ltd in Titchfield, just after you left. I worked with Dave Hatchard, Bill Athawes and Pete Hayden. What are your plans for the illustrations?

Hello Terrance, I know of your name, but we never met. I met up with Dave and Pete last Friday, but I have not seen Bill since I left in 1977. Thanks for your help with identifying the Lotus. I intend to sell posters of the cutaways through my website. Mainly aircraft of pre 1940's vintage, but also two cars and several motor cycle engines. Pete Hayden and I meet up at least twice a year and if you are still local to Fareham, it would be great to meet up.

Tim Hall

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 09:30

Hi Tim

That is definitely a Lotus Elan. It has Lotus on the cam covers. I like you, used to work at Polygraphic Ltd in Titchfield, just after you left. I worked with Dave Hatchard, Bill Athawes and Pete Hayden. What are your plans for the illustrations?

Hello Terrance, I know of your name, but we never met. I met up with Dave and Pete last Friday, but I have not seen Bill since I left in 1977. Thanks for your help with identifying the Lotus. I intend to sell posters of the cutaways through my website. Mainly aircraft of pre 1940's vintage, but also two cars and several motor cycle engines. Pete Hayden and I meet up at least twice a year and if you are still local to Fareham, it would be great to meet up.

Tim Hall

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 09:55

Hi Tim

That is definitely a Lotus Elan. It has Lotus on the cam covers. I like you, used to work at Polygraphic Ltd in Titchfield, just after you left. I worked with Dave Hatchard, Bill Athawes and Pete Hayden. What are your plans for the illustrations?

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Terrance as an afterthought thought you might like to see what the posters will look like. Will be available next year. This is an early version

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 10:43

Just came across a better copy of the Renault Alpine A442 on page 72...

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#7223 IrishMariner

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 11:05

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Terrance as an afterthought thought you might like to see what the posters will look like. Will be available next year. This is an early version


That looks really good. I am especially fond of the multiple-images per sheet - a bit like Bill Freeman's layouts.

Please keep us updated with aircraft and availability.

Mr. Hall, have you looked at the earlier pages of this forum, there's some postings of a Pitts Special and Fly-Bee by Tom Johnson of Portland, OR that're fantastic.

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 12:30

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Terrance as an afterthought thought you might like to see what the posters will look like. Will be available next year. This is an early version


Hi Tim,

Like the illustration. If they are all like that, I will be interested. I live near Taunton in Somerset now but would be keen to meet up. I am in touch with some others who worked there at the time (Keith Morgan, Steve Milner, John Vawkins) so they might be interested too.

Terry

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 16:46

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Terrance as an afterthought thought you might like to see what the posters will look like. Will be available next year. This is an early version

Tim, your Trent 500, which I found on the internet, is spectacular! Keep up the good work.

Malcolm Inglis [I used to work at the National Gas Turbine Establishment, which then became Propulsion Department of RAE]

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 19:03

Hello Terrance, I know of your name, but we never met. I met up with Dave and Pete last Friday, but I have not seen Bill since I left in 1977. Thanks for your help with identifying the Lotus. I intend to sell posters of the cutaways through my website. Mainly aircraft of pre 1940's vintage, but also two cars and several motor cycle engines. Pete Hayden and I meet up at least twice a year and if you are still local to Fareham, it would be great to meet up.

Tim Hall



Tim,
Wonderful to have you taking part in this group. I did want to ask another question about one of my favorite of the aircraft artists, Mike Badrocke. Between his Aviagraphica-signed illustrations, and his own, he has done more cutaways than anyone else that I can name. I know that he was included in our Flightline artwork for a while, but was curious what had happened to Mr. Badrocke. I have no idea how old he must be at this time, so retirement would sound very much in the cards, I would think.
Thanks for the update.
Tom West

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 21:55

I was cleaning out some files and ran across this drawing draft of an RV-8 cutaway. It's the last cutaway I did by hand before switching to digital art. I may have posted this previously - if so, please forgive me.
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Posted 22 December 2010 - 23:20

I know James Allington's Sharknose has been posted at least four times already,
but I like this one for the special background
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I also want to take this opportunity to wish all friends here a great Christmas and a very happy and healthy 2011.

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 07:57

Tim, your Trent 500, which I found on the internet, is spectacular! Keep up the good work.

Malcolm Inglis [I used to work at the National Gas Turbine Establishment, which then became Propulsion Department of RAE]

Thanks for your comments, I have always enjoyed drawing the engines. Did you ever come across Geoff Clarkson when you were at RAE, he was the great grandson of Max Miller. The artist who started the cutaways at Illife.

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 08:02

Tim,
Wonderful to have you taking part in this group. I did want to ask another question about one of my favorite of the aircraft artists, Mike Badrocke. Between his Aviagraphica-signed illustrations, and his own, he has done more cutaways than anyone else that I can name. I know that he was included in our Flightline artwork for a while, but was curious what had happened to Mr. Badrocke. I have no idea how old he must be at this time, so retirement would sound very much in the cards, I would think.
Thanks for the update.
Tom West

Hello Tom, Mike is alive and well and lives in Tunbridge Wells, Kent. He worked for Flight before going freelance in 1977 and worked under the name Aviagraphica for some years. Later he worked under his own name. I worked with him earlier this year on a joint project. He is now 70 and although slowing down still enjoys working. You are correct in that he has done more aviation cutaways than any other illustrator I know of. Upwards of 700 I believe.

Tim Hall


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Posted 23 December 2010 - 16:56

Thanks for your comments, I have always enjoyed drawing the engines. Did you ever come across Geoff Clarkson when you were at RAE, he was the great grandson of Max Miller. The artist who started the cutaways at Illife.

No, I didn't meet him - but it still supports my theory that life is one great big Venn diagram!

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 17:08

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Mercedes-Benz 300SL 1956. By James Allington.

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 17:08

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RAF Nimrod Mk 3. By Wilfred Hardy.

Merry Christmas to all!

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#7234 Charles E Taylor

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 17:40

Unusual Cutaway


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#7235 Tony Matthews

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 17:41

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Another cutaway I haven't seen for a while - this is the correct orientation. This drawing was based on Jim's own car, I did quite a few miles in this as a passenger, at the time it felt quite cool to give girls a cheesy grin as we tootled through towns, as practically no femail could resist a glance at this bright red machine, and it looked as if I was the driver - just had to remember not to wave with both hands...



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Posted 23 December 2010 - 21:16

GM Stir-Lec I 1969 hibrid concept by unknown artist

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 09:26

I had to look that up. GM building an Opel Kadett hybrid in '69? They really did...wow!
I found the ad with the original uncoloured english drawing on the web:

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And that thing did actually exist.

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 11:52

I had to look that up. GM building an Opel Kadett hybrid in '69? They really did...wow!
I found the ad with the original uncoloured english drawing on the web:

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And that thing did actually exist.


and if the cutaway artist had shown the tyres correctly inflated the proto could have achieved better performance!! :)

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 13:13

and if the cutaway artist had shown the tyres correctly inflated the proto could have achieved better performance!! :)


As we know GM was that propably the reason why that hybrid project from back then got nowhere and GM is where it is today. :cry: *

*I work indirectly for those useless c$*#s.

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 14:01

GM XP512 electric by unknown artist

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and the GM Electrovan by unknown artist

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 15:33


An unusual picture, taken with a camera phone, from a framed print hung on the wall, so not the highest quality, but I felt it was worth posting for the rarity.

The Benetton/RenaultF1 wind tunnel, drawn by Mr Matthews.

http://img33.imagesh...01012241116.jpg

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 16:36

After those ecological cars, a real car, that smells fuel and the sound is like music.

Ferrari 250 LM by Giulio Betti

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Happy Christmas!

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 18:35

After those ecological cars, a real car, that smells fuel and the sound is like music.

Ferrari 250 LM by Giulio Betti

Happy Christmas!

A brilliant cutaway for Christmas - many thanks!

#7244 Tony Matthews

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 19:13

Wishing everyone in Cutawayland a happy Christmas and prosperous New Year!

#7245 MEI

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 20:22

An unusual picture, taken with a camera phone, from a framed print hung on the wall, so not the highest quality, but I felt it was worth posting for the rarity.

The Benetton/RenaultF1 wind tunnel, drawn by Mr Matthews.

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I have taken the liberty of tidying up the image a little in honour of "le patron". Interesting to compare with the section of Tony's working drawing on p114.

Happy Christmas to all. Malcolm

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 21:50

What Tony said...

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#7247 ibsenop

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 21:45

Zele 1000 electric car by unknown artist (Betti? Rosso?)

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TNF Cutaway Index - updated - page 180 - post 7164 => part A - post 7165 => part B

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Posted 27 December 2010 - 15:37

TNF Cutaway Index - updated - page 180 - post 7164 => part A - post 7165 => part B


Thanks as always for your diligence, Ibsen! :up:

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Posted 27 December 2010 - 15:38

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Austin, Borg and Beck clutch components. Artist unknown.

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Borg and Beck. Diaphragm clutch. Artist unknown.

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Morris. Cork insert clutch. Artist unknown.

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Smith 'Magnetic powder' clutch. Artist unknown.

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Posted 27 December 2010 - 15:38

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Rolls-Royce Spey turbojet. R-R In-house illustration.

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