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#10651 macoran

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 20:08

For Tony and anyone else that is interested, here is the engine slightly larger. Enjoy.
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By rancethebus at 2011-12-14

Thanks but sorry,
it just zooms out to useless

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#10652 terrance trump

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 20:41

Thanks but sorry,
it just zooms out to useless


I have scanned some more and made them slightly larger but the quality isn't there. Maybe someone has the magzines that they were in to give us a better quality scan. Personally I think that the prices that they realised was absolutely scandalous.
The first is the 1969 Cosworth F1 4wd car. It was drawn by John Hostler. The description is a three-quarter overhead cut-away depiction by John Hostler. Pen and ink with applied shading on cartridge paper laid to card. Pencil notation to the lower left "573/968" and "425" on the rear. Copyright label missing, signed. 22 x 16 inches, generally clean, some soiling to the upper right corner. Unmounted. Estimate £100 - £150. It realised £130.
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Do some more tomorrow.

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 22:44

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I couldn't get rid of the slight yellow caste, I'm afraid, but I have lost all the background.


I scanned this a while back from Racecar Engineering. It's beautiful, but never posted or mentioned it out of respect for tony. I figured if he wanted to post it he would do so; it's also 6336x4708!

#10654 Tony Matthews

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 08:34

Well, thanks for the consideration, DHF! I was never happy with the reproduction of my cutaways in Racecar Eng., moaned at Ian Bamsey about it, and continually beefed up the contrast on the original artwork to try to compensate for the wishy-washy printing. To no avail - in fact it got gradually worse, so perhaps my approach was wrong, and I should have gone for less contrast! However, Racer magazine reproduced some of the same illustrations and they were always superb, so I don't realy see that I was doing anything wrong...

My scan was taken from a 10" x 8" trannie, the same that was given to RE, and this is how it should have looked - although the sideview and title are missing.

#10655 macoran

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 18:44

Forgive the probably stupid question (I don't have a technical background), but what are the smaller-diametre tubes attached to the roll bar structure behind the cockpit for (those only reaching half-way around)? And how are they attached - it can't be tape surely?

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I think fuel lines from left and right tanks.....................and yes taped !

#10656 werks prototype

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 18:54

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Lotus Europa. 1966. Artist, Brian Hatton.

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Dunelt, two-stroke. Artist, unknown. (This has the exotic double-diameter piston.)

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 19:24

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I think fuel lines from left and right tanks.....................and yes taped !


We used tie wraps.

Silverstone 1984. You can see the breather pipe following the curve of the roll over hoop.

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 19:59

We used tie wraps.

Even Theo Page goes for tape !!
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Posted 15 December 2011 - 21:09

Even Theo Page goes for tape !!


We kept the tank tape for the bodywork - It did get a bit battered when I raced Formula ford :)

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#10660 Tony Matthews

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 21:54

I remember thinking when tie-wraps first appeared - Damn, why didn't I think of that!

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 22:04

I remember thinking when tie-wraps first appeared - Damn, why didn't I think of that!


I was going to ask the same question. I'd say the 60's, but I'll wait to be corrected :)

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 22:16

I remember thinking when tie-wraps first appeared - Damn, why didn't I think of that!

Ty-Rap. Producer Thomas & Betts (New Jersey, U.S.A.),introduced 1958 !!

#10663 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 00:57

http://forums.autosp...amp;pid=1414694

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 05:07

First for this evening is a 1970 Monteverdi Hai 450SS, powered by a Chrysler 426 hemi. The drawing is signed Bohrer - I am afraid that I am not familiar with this artist.
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Next is a Panther Solo 2, drawn by Keith Harmer. Between 12 and 25 of these were produced in 1989-1990 in two configurations, both powered by i4 Ford engines; the Solo 1 was a 1.6L mid-engine, rear-wheel-drive vehicle. It was replaced with this format, a 2L having twice the horsepower, now being sent to all four wheels.
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Next, because surely we can never have too many Porsches, is a Porsche 944 S2 coupe coming out of Technical Art - this version was produced from 1989-1991.
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Next is not really a drawing - it is an x-ray, but since cutaways are often called x-ray drawings I thought it might be interesting - obviously it is a 1960s era Mini.
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Last is the fictional 1976 F1 Stirm Racer, drawn by Michael Stirm, derived from the Tyrrell P34 (if 6 wheels are good, 8 must be better, especially if you make it more aerodynamic). Instead of Ford v8 power this creation was to be powered by a Porsche flat 12 of 3.0 liter capacity. This appeared in the 08/76 edition of Sport Auto.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 07:45

lola mk6 GT by James Allington
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Peter,for the monteverdi the artist is Werner Buhrer (see all his drawings in this forum)

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 07:48

Harvey aluminium special by C.O LaTourette
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 10:01

Next is not really a drawing - it is an x-ray, but since cutaways are often called x-ray drawings I thought it might be interesting - obviously it is a 1960s era Mini.
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This is awesome. I hope you don't mind if I kidnapp this picture onto facebook.

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 14:54

Last is the fictional 1976 F1 Stirm Racer, drawn by Michael Stirm, derived from the Tyrrell P34 (if 6 wheels are good, 8 must be better, especially if you make it more aerodynamic). Instead of Ford v8 power this creation was to be powered by a Porsche flat 12 of 3.0 liter capacity. This appeared in the 08/76 edition of Sport Auto.
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Peter

Thats cool! Not sure how nice it would be to drive with all that lot infront of you though!

#10669 Tony Matthews

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 15:20

Not sure how nice it would be to drive with all that lot infront of you though!

A bit like Gwendolyn walking down Beauchamp Place...

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 17:18

First for this evening is a 1970 Monteverdi Hai 450SS, powered by a Chrysler 426 hemi. The drawing is signed Bohrer - I am afraid that I am not familiar with this artist.
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:clap: :up: Second Werner Buhrer cutaway :up: :clap:


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Posted 16 December 2011 - 17:31

This is awesome. I hope you don't mind if I kidnapp this picture onto facebook.


of course... go for it!

#10672 simplebrother

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 17:41

Peter,for the monteverdi the artist is Werner Buhrer (see all his drawings in this forum)

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thanks... I obviously misread his signature - the umlaut is usually more distinct. I have 60 of Werner's drawings, but didn't recognize the style until you mentioned him - most that I have are colorized
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 18:01

I have 60 of Werner's drawings, but didn't recognize the style until you mentioned him - most that I have are colorized
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The McLaren's are my favourite. Good enough to eat! :)

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 18:54

I have 60 of Werner's drawings, but didn't recognize the style until you mentioned him - most that I have are colorized
Peter

Have you got a listing of them ? I may be missing some .....

#10675 simplebrother

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 01:32

Have you got a listing of them ? I may be missing some .....


Macoran...
As you know, illustrations by Werner Buhrer may be cutaways, partial cutaways, or not-cutaway. I keep all by him in one folder, so some might not classify all of the following as cutaways. Whatever the case, the 60 documents in my Werner Buhrer file include the following (Werks - I only have 3 McLaren illustrations [M19, M20, M23] - if you have more I would be interested):

AlfaRomeo-33-1967-v8-dohc-Buhrer,Werner1.jpg
AlfaRomeo-33-1967-v8-dohc-Buhrer,Werner2.jpg
AlfaRomeo-33-1968-v8-dohc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
AlfaRomeo-33TT3-1972-v8-dohc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
all-F1-study_of_wings_on_1974_F1_racers-Road&Track-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Brabham-BT19-1966-67-Repco-v8-sohc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Brabham-BT34-1970-72-CosworthDFV-v8-dohc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Brabham-BT44-1974-76-Ford-v8-dohc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
BRM-F1-1972-P180-v12-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
BRM-F1-1973-P160E-v12-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Eagle-1969-FormulaA-Chevrolet-v8-ohv-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Eagle-1972-Indy-Offenhauser-i4-dohc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Ensign-MN01-F1-1973-v8-Ford-dohc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Ferrari-312PB-1971-73-flat12-dohc-2991cc-Buhrer,Werner2.jpg
Ferrari-312PB-1971-73-flat12-dohc-2991cc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Ferrari-512S-1970-v12-dohc-4993cc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Ferrari-F1-1969-73-312S-flat12-dohc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Ferrari-F1-1969-73-The312s-flat12-dohc-Buhrer,Werner1.jpg
Ferrari-F1-1969-73-The312s-flat12-dohc-Buhrer,Werner2.jpg
Ferrari-F1-1969-73-The312s-flat12-dohc-Buhrer,Werner3.jpg
Ferrari-F1-1969-73-The312s-flat12-dohc-Buhrer,Werner4.jpg
Ferrari-F1-1972-73-312B2-flat12-dohc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Ferrari-F1-1973-74-312B3-flat12-dohc-Buhrer,Werner2.jpg
Ferrari-F1-1973-74-312B3-flat12-dohc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Ferrari-F1-1973-76-The312s-flat12-dohc-Buhrer,Werner1.jpg
Ferrari-F1-1973-76-The312s-flat12-dohc-Buhrer,Werner2.jpg
Ferrari-F1-1973-76-The312s-flat12-dohc-Buhrer,Werner3.jpg
Ferrari-F1-1973-76-The312s-flat12-dohc-Buhrer,Werner4.jpg
Honda-F1-1968-RA302-v12-dohc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Iso-F1-IR-01,02-1973-v8-Ford-dohc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Lola-T260-CanAm-1972-Chevrolet-v8-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Lola-T280-1972-Chevrolet-v8-Buhrer,Werner2.jpg
Lola-T280-1972-Chevrolet-v8-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Lotus-49-1967-69-F1(worldchamp)-Ford-v8-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Lotus-72d-1971-73-F1-Ford-v8-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
March-711-1971-CosworthFordDFV-v8-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
March-721-1972-CosworthFordDFV-v8-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
March-731-1973-CosworthFordDFV-v8-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Martini-Tecno-123-1-F1-1972-flat12-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Martini-Tecno-123-1-F1-1973-flat12-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Matra-670\ 1972-Matra-v12-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Matra-F1-MS120c-1972-Matra-v12-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
McLaren-M19\ -1971-73-Ford-v8-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
McLaren-M20-CanAm-1972-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
McLaren-M23-1973-78-Ford-v8-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
MercedesBenz-C111-(C111)-1969-concept-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
MercedesBenz-CW311-(CW311)-1978-concept-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Mirage-M6-1972-v8,v12-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Monteverdi-Hai450SS-1970-Chrysler426hemi-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Porsche-908,3-1972-flat8-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Porsche-917,10-CanAm-1972-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Porsche-917K,LH-1971-72-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Shadow-DN1-1973-74-Ford-v8-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Surtees-TS14A-F1-1973-Ford-v8-dohc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Surtees-TS9A-F1-1972-Ford-v8-dohc-Buhrer,Werner.jpeg
Tecno-PA123-1-F1-1972-73-180v12-dohc-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Tyrrell-F1-1971-72-003-Ford-v8-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Tyrrell-F1-1973-006-Ford-v8-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Tyrrell-F1-1974-76-007-Ford-v8-Buhrer,Werner.jpg
Tyrrell-F1-1976-77-P34-Ford-v8-Buhrer,Werner.jpg

Peter

Edited by simplebrother, 17 December 2011 - 01:33.


#10676 werks prototype

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 10:08

(Werks - I only have 3 McLaren illustrations [M19, M20, M23] - if you have more I would be interested):


Yes, those, and I also have the M8F. Which you will find in either Road & Track, Sep 1971 or the book, Can-Am Racing Cars 1966 -74.

I'll tell you something, that is a darn useful list that you have produced there. :up:



Edit: I think you may also be missing the BMW CS Styling Analysis and the Datsun 240Z Styling Analysis. I am sure there are many more of those 'styling' studies out there.
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: You may also be missing the Porsche 924 'X-Ray' study. Which is to be found in the Jerry Sloniger book, Porsche 924, 928, 944.

Edited by werks prototype, 17 December 2011 - 13:52.


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Posted 17 December 2011 - 10:47

http://www.lemans.or...llees_5788.html

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 13:36

It is great to see contemporary subjects 'get the treatment' as it were, Pan. :up:

Are you still able to derive multiple view points using the computer in this particular way?

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 15:25

This is awesome. I hope you don't mind if I kidnapp this picture onto facebook.

There is a nice x-ray of the Honda N on the Russian site !

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#10680 macoran

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 15:50

Macoran...
As you know, illustrations by Werner Buhrer may be cutaways, partial cutaways, or not-cutaway. I keep all by him in one folder, so some might not classify all of the following as cutaways. Whatever the case, the 60 documents in my Werner Buhrer file include the following (Werks - I only have 3 McLaren illustrations [M19, M20, M23] - if you have more I would be interested):
Peter

Thanks for that listing Peter, I think I have most of them. I'll have a check and see what you are missing.
As werks says, there are some styling analysis and McLaren M8E and M8F around.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 19:19

Fiat Seicento Sporting '1998
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 20:29

Fiat Seicento Sporting '1998
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Welcome to a member of the "russian site" as we call it here

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 22:09

It is great to see contemporary subjects 'get the treatment' as it were, Pan. :up:

Are you still able to derive multiple view points using the computer in this particular way?



yes i m able but building the engine is very long time work for me
have you a commitee for it
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 13:31

Alfa Romeo 33-2 Coda Lunga by artist unknown

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Alfa Romeo P3 1935 by artist unknown

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All from the book "Alfa Romeo tutte le vetture dal 1910" available at http://dlib.coninet....page/1/mode/2up
At Amazon the book costs US$ 360.00 (much expensive for me).

I'd like to view a better scan of both.

Edited by ibsenop, 18 December 2011 - 13:32.


#10685 Tony Matthews

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 14:22

have you a commitee for it (?)

:lol: Not me, I'm afraid, Pan! However, there are others...

#10686 werks prototype

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 20:23

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MK1 Triumph GT6. Artist, John Fisher.

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AJS-Matchless, 250cc engine. Artist, F.W.Beak.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 20:25

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Ferrari 126 C4M? (Not absolutely sure) Artist, P. D. Alessio.

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Garell, split single. (Absolutely sure) Artist, unknown.

#10688 werks prototype

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 20:28

All from the book "Alfa Romeo tutte le vetture dal 1910" available at http://dlib.coninet....page/1/mode/2up
At Amazon the book costs US$ 360.00 (much expensive for me).


I'm aware of this book too (That is, it is stuck on my wish list). But, it remains as you say prohibitively expensive. The worst thing though, are the many partial glimpses I've had of its contents. At least you have given us a couple of complete drawings to now peruse/pursue. :up:

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 21:53

Alfa Romeo 33-2 Coda Lunga by artist unknown

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Alfa Romeo P3 1935 by artist unknown

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All from the book "Alfa Romeo tutte le vetture dal 1910" available at http://dlib.coninet....page/1/mode/2up
At Amazon the book costs US$ 360.00 (much expensive for me).

I'd like to view a better scan of both.


The book is on eBay for the next 4 days for a buy-it-now price of $299 - opening bid required is $239 (which may hold as no reserve is indicated, but still a lot of money)...

I have a smaller (900x) image of the first one that is quite a bit sharper, but it still cannot be viewed as large as any of us would like.
With regards to the second scan - that image is signed with a circled P (in the shadow at the car's rear) - I have one other illustration by this artist, but do not know who he/she is - is anyone familiar with that signature?

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 23:15

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BSA Rocket 3, engine-Gear unit. Artist, unknown.

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Commer Imp Van. Artist, unknown.

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 01:03

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Commer Imp Van. Artist, unknown.

What a neat little van, I'd like one of those! I don't remember ever seeing one on the road. As an illustration it joins the select group of bonnets/boots open...

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 01:47

What a neat little van, I'd like one of those! I don't remember ever seeing one on the road. As an illustration it joins the select group of bonnets/boots open...

was this also a vauxhall or hillman, or am i thinking of something else?
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 08:33

lister climax f2 1957 by Robert Roux.I don't know if this car has existed really,i think it was a project only.May be somebody has informations about it
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 08:37

was this also a vauxhall or hillman, or am i thinking of something else?
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Hillman. A strange choice for a van with the engine in the back.

There were over 18,000 of them apparently http://www.imps4ever...family/van.html

Edited by alansart, 20 December 2011 - 08:40.


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Posted 20 December 2011 - 08:38

cooper t49 "monaco" by Robert Roux
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 09:13

lister climax f2 1957 by Robert Roux.I don't know if this car has existed really,i think it was a project only.May be somebody has informations about it

Two cars were built and one of them was raced at least once. Have a look at this earlier thread:

Lister Climax F2 car

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#10697 Tony Matthews

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 09:13

Hillman. A strange choice for a van with the engine in the back.

There were over 18,000 of them apparently http://www.imps4ever...family/van.html

Apart from the number produced, they were made in Luton! I must have seen them, but I don't remember them, I suppose that, being a small commercial vehicle, they just didn't register. I owned an Imp for a couple of years about twenty years ago, it was a nice little car.

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#10698 trauts

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 09:34

Apart from the number produced, they were made in Luton! I must have seen them, but I don't remember them, I suppose that, being a small commercial vehicle, they just didn't register. I owned an Imp for a couple of years about twenty years ago, it was a nice little car.

There was also an estate version called the Husky.

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 12:08

What a neat little van, I'd like one of those! I don't remember ever seeing one on the road. As an illustration it joins the select group of bonnets/boots open...


I have to see the funny side of the GPO regarding it as too fast. I couldn't condemn a little van for that!

Although, early in its production it also endured problems associated with inaccurate body-jigging. Which led to distorted suspension and ultimately excessive tyre wear. They fixed it though. (With shims!)

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 13:04

There's a cutaway of an Escort Group 4 Rally car on the website of West Wales Rally Spares

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