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#11401 TWest

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 21:32

This is another piece from the Quattroruote 1985 Speciale Sport edition. This is one of the two 1985 Formula 1 cutaways, the Ferrari 156/85, from Bruno Betti. I would have thought this had been up here, but I do not have it loaded in my files. That glue-spine binding is a real joy to work with, as the printing was on different signatures, so the colors did not match very well, and the glue was not overly smooth on the gutter. Sorry for the rough assembly, but there were some rather noticeable bites taken out of this thing that I was trying to hide.
The McLaren and the Porsche 962C will be among the next ones up, fyi.
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#11402 werks prototype

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 21:38

This is another piece from the Quattroruote 1985 Speciale Sport edition. This is one of the two 1985 Formula 1 cutaways, the Ferrari 156/85, from Bruno Betti.
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What an eye popping beauty! :up:

The size of that diffuser too.......................!

#11403 Karabas

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:22

Smith R.G.

Farchild Forwarder (F-24W) from 1945 "Flying" Mag.
Original and cleaned versions.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:43

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Weired to see a cutaway of a car that never officially existed. I know that Walter Röhr made some top secret test drives with a prototype and there are a few very bad pictures of it. Does anybody here know the background of this drawing?

#11405 Karabas

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:12

Lyndon Jones

Vickers Armstrong Wellington IC
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Supermarine Spitfire IIA
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Messerschmitt Bf 110 C2
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Messerschmitt Bf 109 E3
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Junkers Ju 88 A4
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Junkers Ju 87 B2
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Heinkel He-111 H-2
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Dornier Do 17Z-2
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#11406 TWest

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 16:59

Weired to see a cutaway of a car that never officially existed. I know that Walter Röhr made some top secret test drives with a prototype and there are a few very bad pictures of it. Does anybody here know the background of this drawing?


Duc,
This is just a part of a group of WRC illustrations that were included with the Quattroruote 1985 World Racing edition. Not being fluent in Italian (with the exception of Pizza, Marinara, and provolone ...), I don't think it gives much detail except to say that it is a prototype design. They put much more time in on the Peugeot and a couple of other cars that were the primary competitors, but this was a very interesting concept.
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 20:00

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Ford Escort Mark III. Artist, unknown. Colour obscene. (Perhaps drawn by Terry Collins, but coloured by another).


Ford Escort MkIII by Chris Plant - see page 103 - post 4097

TNF cutaway index updated - page 280 up to this post.

Giant index - Part 3 lost format (can't fix it - the forum engine didn't accept) - Next update will have 4 parts.

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#11408 TWest

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 20:50

OK, I have another one of the Quattroruote pieces from Bruno Betti. Again, pieced together with chunks missing, so it is not as clean as I would have liked.
This is the 1985 McLaren MP4-2B Formula 1. I have to say that I have liked all of these Formula 1 illustrations that we have seen. I certainly wish that it was possible for them to be done now, as we are really losing the technical heritage of this series.
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#11409 ibsenop

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 21:26

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Ferrari 156/85 by Paolo D'Alessio
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:06

We start with a bit cleaner piece from Giorgio Alisi, a relatively simple illustration of the mid-engined 1985 World Rally Championship Audi Quattro Sport. It certainly shows the layout of this interesting effort.
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is there a technical term for a 'very mid-engined' car? 'Central-engined', perhaps?

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:21

1913 Isotta Fraschini Indy racer, three were built for the 1913 race. Not one did really well.
There is some info on them if you google, in addition to some very good photos on a Facebook site
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Unsigned and I dare not guess the artist's name, though I do see familiar style.

#11412 ibsenop

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:54

Unsigned and I dare not guess the artist's name, though I do see familiar style.


Isotta Fraschini IM 1913 by Giulio Betti - was posted on page 105 but can not be seen again.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:21

Oeps, I am sorry I should have checked ! :blush:

#11414 Karabas

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:33

Three beautiful works by Tony Matthews (Tony, in case of any problems with copyright markings, please let me know and I promptly made ​​the necessary changes)

Maserati 250F
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Cooper Climax
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Bentley 4 1/2 Litre Super Charged
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#11415 Tony Matthews

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 12:55

No problemo, Karabas, but all three have been posted before - a long time ago now!

#11416 Karabas

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 13:27

No problemo, Karabas, but all three have been posted before - a long time ago now!


Hi Tony,
I have four more scans of your prints:
1952 BRM Mk1 V16
1955 Jaguar D-type
1955 Mercedes-Benz W196
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Lancia D50A

Can I upload them here? The size of each - about 2300x1600

#11417 Tony Matthews

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 13:45

Well, they've all been posted here before. Your scans are a little pale, I went to some trouble to post reasonable quality scans, but if you insist, go ahead!

Edited to say that the BRM V16 appears on pp9 and 207, and the others are there too.

Edited by Tony Matthews, 22 April 2012 - 13:48.


#11418 Karabas

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 14:15

Tony Matthews. Four Jems!

1955 Lancia D50A
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1955 Mercedes-Benz W196
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1955 Jaguar D-type
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1952 BRM Mk1 V16
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I raised contrast a little. Hope, now they are closer to the originals.

Edited by Karabas, 22 April 2012 - 14:17.


#11419 TWest

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:36

is there a technical term for a 'very mid-engined' car? 'Central-engined', perhaps?


Interesting question, but there really are, technically, only front-, mid-, and rear-engined designations. When the drag racing world was going through this, the name rear-engined was applied to the new wave of cars starting in 1970-71. I had drawn a car that could have been a prototype to the "first" rear-engined car of Don Garlits, except that it was a Mark Williams car that debuted at the Winternationals in 1970, a year before the Swamp Rat really appeared. There were a few of us who had actually been involved in automotive engineering who were offended by the misnomer, so there was an article done for Drag Racing USA that tried to show the difference between a front-engined car (engine in front of the driver ... who sat sort of over the rear axle in the design), a mid-engined car (engine in front of the rear axle and behind the driver), and rear-engined car (engine behind the rear axle and the driver).
Being relatively unsophisticated in the outlook on such things, the behind the driver thing still carries the day, so the mid-engined dragsters of today are still considered to be rear-engined. No difference in the design, just the name.
Don't recall anything that indicated degree of mid-engined-ness ... or rear-engined-ness.
I am sure this clears things up greatly .. thanks for asking ...
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:47

Karabas --

Those are FANTASTIC scans! I found that each one was better quality or larger size than my copies of the earlier postings. And low contrast is easily fixed by just about any image display program that all of us have. Thanks!!!

#11421 Tony Matthews

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 17:55

I raised contrast a little. Hope, now they are closer to the originals.

Well, the colours are wrong. However, my point was that they have all been posted before. Not in this form, with the sideviews, I agree, but that is because the originals are my copyright, and as far as I know, these are not.

#11422 TWest

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 18:03

Karabas --

Those are FANTASTIC scans! I found that each one was better quality or larger size than my copies of the earlier postings. And low contrast is easily fixed by just about any image display program that all of us have. Thanks!!!



I have pretty much found the same, as the ones that I had tended to be smaller, except in a couple of cases. I have ended up wish such a mix of material on this stuff that any repost is welcomed, as it is a chance to review what I have on a particular subject, especially with Tony's wonderful material. I am replacing my earlier file with new whenever possible.
Not bad work for an aircraft guy ... thanks.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:10

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Fiat Argenta Volumex VX, supercharged engine. Artist, UTS Torino.

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Ferrari 125. Artist, Ingram L. Another re-post (slightly different context) of that posted previously on pages 147 and 245.

#11424 werks prototype

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 19:13

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Princess 2200 HL. Artist, Dick Ellis.

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'System Porsche' Independent front suspension. Artist unknown.

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Consul-Zephyr, MK.I family. McPherson 'strut-type' independent front suspension. Artist, unknown.

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Lancia Delta S4. Rear suspension. (Twin dampers, single coil springs). Artist, unknown.

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Lancia Aurelia de Dion type rear suspension. Artist, U C. omp.

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Peugeot 205 Turbo 16. Rear suspension and body shell. Artist, DAV.

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Peugeot 205 Turbo 16. Transmission. Artist, DAV.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 10:16

cooper t51 by Brian Hatton
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and the same,"copier coller" by Robert Roux
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#11426 werks prototype

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 22:29

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Triumph Stag, not signed or credited in the story byline....but Vic Berris I am sure

Nothing new really. A confirmation for Marc though.

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Triumph Stag. Artist, Vic Berris.

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Triumph Dolomite. Artist, unknown.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 23:34

BMW 320 by Niedermeier

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#11428 TWest

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:46

I have not checked this out, but I think there may be a smaller version of this piece already up. This is another piece out of the 1985 Quattroruote Sports Special, no indication of the author on teh Audi Quattro Sport Rally Car.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:49

Another piece from the Quattorruote 1985 Special edition, this is the Austin Metro GR4 WRC of 1985. No artist indicated.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:53

1985 got a big presentation on the Rally cars in the Quattroruote Special Edition This Citroen BX-4T WRC is the last of the cars included in that section of the issue. This is marked as being from Citroen Publicity.
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#11431 TWest

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:00

This is the last of the pieces out of the Quottroruote 1985 Special, this being the Guilio Betti piece on the Porsche 962C. Wish that I did not have to piece a big chunk in across the rear tire and various other big chunks that ran up the glue binding in the book. Can't say it is my favorite feature of such a publication.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:49

That is some strange perspective... As if it was made out of rubber... :drunk:


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:56

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Citroen BX-4TC WRC 1985 by Editechnic.

Some Citroen GS cutaways by Editechnic (small size) at http://www.citroenet...n/gs/gs-03.html


#11434 werks prototype

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 20:14

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Daimler Light Straight-Eight. Artist, John Ferguson.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 20:15

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Capri III. Artist, Terry Collins. B&W.

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Capri III. Artist, Terry Collins. Colour.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 20:16

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The Maginot Line. Artist, unknown.

#11437 ibsenop

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 22:59

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Audi Quattro Sport Rally Car 1985 by Bruno Betti

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 23:00

Fiat 126 by artist unknown (Rosso?)

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 23:11

Audi Quattro Sport Rally Car 1985 by Bruno Betti


Thank-you, you are correct. I went back and we had a smaller version of this come through here earlier, showing as the 1984 version. Thanks for the correction, Ibsen, as always.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 16:17

Fiat 126 by artist unknown (Rosso?)

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I don't think so, Rosso is usually better than this

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 19:22

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Ford Cortina, engine and transmission (up to the propeller shaft.) Artist, Max Millar.

#11442 werks prototype

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 19:22

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Volvo 244. Artist, unknown.

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Wankel rotary engine. 1959. Artist, unknown.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 22:39

Honda NSX (Takata Dome NSX) JGTC Super GT GT500 2002 by Takashi Jufuku

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 04:52

A few older ones for this evening...

first, a Austin Westminster 3-Litre from 1968 by John Hostler
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next, a Wolsey Six-Eighty from 1949 by John Ferguson
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and last, a British-Leyland Sherpa from 1974 by John Hostler
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Peter

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#11445 Tony Matthews

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:31

next, a Wolsey Six-Eighty from 1949 by John Ferguson
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I like that a lot.

#11446 macoran

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:14

Range Rover by Bruno Betti.
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Looking into the Index, are we missing some Range Rovers ?
I recall having posted a Range Rover by Lauwrence Watts way back some time ago and someone else
posting a some Range Rovers.

Edit, just put brain back in gear......indexed under Land Rover.

Edited by macoran, 28 April 2012 - 11:21.


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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:20

Vic Berris Rolls Royce Camarque, coloured in version of that posted on page 162
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Does it come up resized ?

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:29

Rosso Porsche 914
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:36

Vic Berris Rolls Royce Camarque, coloured in version of that posted on page 162
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Where is it? :confused:
I just checked pg 162 and saw a whole bunch of 403s: image removed due to...

#11450 macoran

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:47

Where is it? :confused:
I just checked pg 162 and saw a whole bunch of 403s: image removed due to...

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