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#11701 Tony Matthews

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 09:48

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Thanks Tom, never seen that before, unless it just flashed before my eyes when I shuffled through a stack of cutaways in the studio. This was done shortly before I was introduced to him.

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#11702 werks prototype

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 11:22

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Lanchester Fourteen. 1938. Artist, F.Gordon Crosby.

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Nardi-Danese 750 c.c. Not a cutaway. Artist, unknown.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 17:32

Yes Tom, the 25 was the F1 job, this is the 29 Indy car.


I knew I was going to screw that up, but they talked about this as the 25 in the article ... will have to read it again to make sure. I am feeling old at the moment, but this is nuts.
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 17:39

Thanks Tom, never seen that before, unless it just flashed before my eyes when I shuffled through a stack of cutaways in the studio. This was done shortly before I was introduced to him.


Tony,
It was interesting that I found a LaTourette piece on this car that is in the new editions that I picked up last week. Not that often that you come up with two new renditions of a 50 year old car at the same time. Thought that was sort of cool. At least this reproduction was quite a bit cleaner than that Maserati, which was a bit of a horror to put together.
Thanks for the comments on my stuff on Facebook. Much appreciated.
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 23:37

Harley Davidson FL Hydra Glide 1949 by Dave Rumfelt
Vector drawing based on an airbrush painting by David Kimble.

http://www.spotillus...leyCutaway.html

#11706 Tony Matthews

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 09:43

Harley Davidson FL Hydra Glide 1949 by Dave Rumfelt
Vector drawing based on an airbrush painting by David Kimble.

http://www.spotillus...leyCutaway.html

Bit of a waste of time - the enlarged version is definitely not "worth the wait"! No offence meant to anyone, but if this was based on a Dave Kimble (who I believe has some notoriety - :) ) illustration, why copy it?

#11707 Embers

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 16:24

Way back in the mid-1950's, when the yearly magazine Air Progress - History of Aviation ran out of their backlog of aircraft cutaway illustrations by Douglas Rolfe and the Das brothers, they introduced a new artist, Walter M. Jefferies, Jr. This is his first cutaway, appearing in the 1955/1956 issue: the Boeing P-26A.

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His first submissions, which were unsigned, seemed to favor aircraft of the 1930's. As you can see he had an unusual style of shading his cutaways and incorporating their exterior markings. Most of his drawings, including a number of aircraft four-views, were framed with a grid simulating engineering graph paper. One gets the impression from the references and details accompanying the cutaways that they derived much of their authenticity from a study of technical manuals on the subject.


#11708 Tony Matthews

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 17:16

Werks has kindly alerted me to a 'copy' of this cutaway - one that I saw some years ago, but put out of my mind. At the time the 'illustrator' maintained that I had freely sent him a drawing to work from, which is a lie, I was never asked for one and would never have sent one, so this is a rip-off, and to make matters worse, a very poor one. Not that I have lost, or will lose, any sleep over it! Just thought I'd mention it...

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 20:56

Bit of a waste of time - the enlarged version is definitely not "worth the wait"! No offence meant to anyone, but if this was based on a Dave Kimble (who I believe has some notoriety - :) ) illustration, why copy it?



Tony,
I felt the same way, as I had purchased the initial version of Canvas because they used the basic line part of that Harley piece to sell the program. I figured that it would do something like create the parts and allow you to paint them with the computer, but it turned out that you still drew the piece, scanned it in and just filled in the blocks. The one shown here is not as good as that Canvas piece, nor is the Ferrari, as that is pretty much the same thing. I don't feel like I am that good at the color work, but feel that I might exceed this result. Also, it appears that the F-15 is rather familiar looking, so it has to have come from a Badrocke piece, or something similar.
Maybe it is just seeing the masterwork by Tony, or even Kimble that makes a swipe and a lesser rendition sort of superfluous really.
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 21:59

[quote name='Tony Matthews' date='Jun 25 2012, 10:16' post='5792779']
Werks has kindly alerted me to a 'copy' of this cutaway - one that I saw some years ago, but put out of my mind. At the time the 'illustrator' maintained that I had freely sent him a drawing to work from, which is a lie, I was never asked for one and would never have sent one, so this is a rip-off, and to make matters worse, a very poor one. Not that I have lost, or will lose, any sleep over it! Just thought I'd mention it...


I can see using something for reference, but the hard part is really the creation of the information and the actual linework that forms the illustration. Just coloring it in with a computer is a bit like someone who used to do the old Paint-by-Numbers sets. I am sure there are those paintings on walls around the US that were done by grandma, who was never considered to have any artistic ability ... and she didn't. This is a technical process doing a drawing that you never really did in the first place, so selling oneself by presenting something like this is not all that impressive.
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 23:46

Harley Davidson Revolution engine by artist unknown - from the web

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#11712 Tony Matthews

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 17:03

Today I had the very great pleasure of meeting fellow-illustrator Tom Johnson, making his first trip to Europe, and starting with the best bit. We met at RAF Museum Hendon, and spent some time there, but the conversation seemed to be mostly about illustrating, for some reason...

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Here is Tom briefly gazing at the camera, but the main interest was the cutaway mahogany flying-boat hull. Nothing for us to do there, then.

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Tom in front of one of his favourite 'planes, a Spitfire Mk 5B.

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The two of us sheltering under a Bristol Beaufighter. For anyone interested in 'planes and hasn't been to the Hendon Museum, I can heartily recommend it, beautifully laid out, lots of interesting stuff, and apart from a modest charge for the carpark, it's FREE!

I've known Tom for some considerable time, but only by phone and email, so it was great to finally meet - here's to the next time. Gwendolyn had promised to join us there - once I mentioned that Tom is American she really perked up, and meeting him surrounded by B-17s, B-24s and Mustangs would have brought back many happy memories for her, I'm sure. Happy but very, very tiring... As it was, a request to perform at one of the larger Embassies was too good to miss.

Edited by Tony Matthews, 26 June 2012 - 17:29.


#11713 Embers

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 17:27

Here is the second of Jefferies' 30's-era aircraft from the 55/56 issue of Air Progress:
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The P-35 was developed to the P-35A after Seversky was acquired by Republic Aviation in 1939. This design then evolved into the P-43 Lancer and, eventually, to the P-47 Thunderbolt. The general wing and tail planforms were carried through to each of the later designs.



#11714 TWest

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 17:42

Today I had the very great pleasure of meeting fellow-illustrator Tom Johnson, making his first trip to Europe, and starting with the best bit. We met at RAF Museum Hendon, and spent some time there, but the conversation seemed to be mostly about illustrating, for some reason...



Here is Tom briefly gazing at the camera, but the main interest was the cutaway mahogany flying-boat hull. Nothing for us to do there, then.


Tom in front of one of his favourite 'planes, a Spitfire Mk 5B.



The two of us sheltering under a Bristol Beaufighter. For anyone interested in 'planes and hasn't been to the Hendon Museum, I can heartily recommend it, beautifully laid out, lots of interesting stuff, and apart from a modest charge for the carpark, it's FREE!

I've known Tom for some considerable time, but only by phone and email, so it was great to finally meet - here's to the next time. Gwendolyn had promised to join us there - once I mentioned that Tom is American she really perked up, and meeting him surrounded by B-17s, B-24s and Mustangs would have brought back many happy memories for her, I'm sure. Happy but very, very tiring... As it was, a request to perform at one of the larger Embassies was too good to miss.


Good to see that something like this is possible. Looking forward to the possibility of meeting a few more people who have been my heroes over the years. I know a lot of the hot rod artists, but I think that Inomoto is the only international artist that I have actually met.
This reminds me that I will be going to spend a few days with my daughter in Baltimore at the beginning of August. She is in Scotland at the moment for some courses in Aberdeen. Part of her plans for me when I am there is to hit the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum on the Mall in Washington, along with the hangar that they have out at Dulles airport. I have not been to the new facility, but was at the Air & Space Museum last in the mid-80s when I was researching some aircraft markings for a series that we did at Revell. Looking forward to this, but would love to be able to hit the Silver Hills facility again. That was really like seeing the inside of the tomb .
Glad that you two enjoyed the visit and the museum.
Tom West

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 17:15

This is the last of the 1930's aircraft cutaways by Jefferies that I have found in the magazine series Air Progress - History of Aviation:
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Regarding that subtitle: If this is the grandfather of ground-attack aircraft, then the great-grandfather has to be the Junkers J.1 of WW I.


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Posted 27 June 2012 - 18:04

Gloster Javelin FAW.9 by Mike Badrocke:

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#11717 D-Type

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 18:47

If any British readers are interested The Works are selling a book of WW2 vintage cutaways from The Aeroplane, Flight etc for £5.99. Sorry, I can't recall the title or author/editor

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 19:52

If any British readers are interested The Works are selling a book of WW2 vintage cutaways from The Aeroplane, Flight etc for £5.99. Sorry, I can't recall the title or author/editor


Thanks!
This book looks like reprint of Osprey's "Classic WWII Aircraft Cutaways" ( :up: :up: :up: ). But price is more attractive
Direct link: http://www.theworks....0753722886.html

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 21:25

Thanks!
This book looks like reprint of Osprey's "Classic WWII Aircraft Cutaways" ( :up: :up: :up: ). But price is more attractive
Direct link: http://www.theworks....0753722886.html


Pretty good price. Almost wish I did not have one already. Wonder if it is soft-cover, as I cannot imagine this being the hard-cover. Very cool period art of that time, and worth having to see these historic pieces.
Tom West


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Posted 27 June 2012 - 22:34

It's a hardback. I expect, knowing The Works, that it is old stock being remaindered rather than a reprint.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 02:52

It's a hardback. I expect, knowing The Works, that it is old stock being remaindered rather than a reprint.


I am trying to get a second copy, which will make it easier to scan, although none of the images go across the gutter, and they are all on double fold pages, so completely clear and in one piece ... although they will have to be scanned in two parts. Will be having some fun with this stuff, but not sure if they will ship out of UK .. they certainly do not encourage it on their site ... but they did accept the order.
Keep your fingers crossed.
Thanks for the advice.
By the way, there were 12 copies available when I went in there, so if anyone wants one, they are worth having at that price.
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#11722 Motocar

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 13:14

Grumman F11F-2 Cutaway "Super Tiger" Cut in detail side of the fuselage "General Design arrangement -7 2-seat 98J All Weather Fighter" with slight differences, a fighter whose proposal was left on the shelf, this was a version of two-seat fighter, the second crew member was a radar operator for interception, also equipped the longer-range missiles and guided by radar AIM-7 Sparrow, auxiliary tank of greater capacity, author Mike Badrocke and modified to recreate this new version by motorcar , uploaded to the forum with ImageShack.us

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 20:21

Grumman F11F-2 Cutaway "Super Tiger" Cut in detail side of the fuselage "General Design arrangement -7 2-seat 98J All Weather Fighter" with slight differences, a fighter whose proposal was left on the shelf, this was a version of two-seat fighter, the second crew member was a radar operator for interception, also equipped the longer-range missiles and guided by radar AIM-7 Sparrow, auxiliary tank of greater capacity, author Mike Badrocke and modified to recreate this new version by motorcar , uploaded to the forum with ImageShack.us

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Success for all


I want to thank you for the interesting adaptation of these illustrations into you unique versions that have never been drawn. Just doing Cutaways is a rather strange thing to do when you consider it, so your skill of revising cutaways into different versions is quite interesting to me. I save all of the things from this site anyway, but your contributions are something completely different; certainly your own special skill.
Thank-you for sharing them with us. I should have commented before, so I apologize for taking so long to recognize this effort.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 22:04

Fiat 900T '1976
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Fiat Ducato Maxi '1981 by Bruno Betti
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Fiat Fiorino '1993 by Sitta
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Fiat Doblò Cargo '2000
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 22:13

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Ducati Pantah. Artist, Lawrence Watts.

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Ferrari F399. Artist, Betti, Giulio or Bruno.

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MZ 'disc valve' racing engine. Artist, Lawrence Watts.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 09:41

Thanks friend Tom West, in reality the contributions that I make the change is a desire to increase the amount of existing schematic cuts, is made respecting the work of those artists who did the bulk of the work, also seek to recreate those aircraft and cars that have never had a "Cutaway" either disinterest or lack of information to carry on with some accuracy, hi my drawings have the note "Interim Interpretation" or "Free interpretation" until the arrival of more precise data or information. Again this modest work to recognize and hopefully encourage others to follow.

Motorcar, Maracay Venezuela

Excuse my poor English

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 15:09

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Ducati Pantah. Artist, Lawrence Watts.


So this is the father of the engine I have in my bike. As a mechanic I'm pretty confident with taking things apart and putting them back together. I wouldn't touch this at all.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 18:29

Lotus Esprit IDGG 01 (one-off prototype from 1973). Artist is Tony Divey.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 23:18

Lotus Esprit IDGG 01 (one-off prototype from 1973). Artist is Tony Divey.

Any chance IDGG stands for Italdesign Giorgetto Giugiaro? His first design for what became the Esprit?

#11730 Embers

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 23:28

These are the last of what I would call “perspective” cutaways by Walter M. Jefferies, Jr. to appear in Air Progress – History of Aviation, the 1956/1957 issue.
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The next year’s issue would still feature some of his “scale views“ and four-views. As might be surmised from the accuracy of his work, Mr. Jefferies brought his experience in aviation as a WW II bomber pilot and Waco biplane owner to his drawings. However, by 1957 he realized that he could make a better living in another field than as a freelance aviation illustrator. His predecessor cutaway artists showcased in Air Progress, the Das brothers, had also left the technical illustration field to become “futurists”. When Mr. Jefferies joined Warner Brothers, first as a technical advisor, later as a set designer and art director, he used his middle name and dropped the “Jr.”. Being a futurist was probably not a consideration in the career change of Matt Jefferies. Yet his name will forever be associated with the future, for several years later he used his technical expertise when asked to design Naval Construction Contract 1701, more popularly known as the starship, U.S.S. Enterprise.


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Posted 30 June 2012 - 09:43

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deltawing cutaway hig res downloaad

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 17:10

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Ducati Pantah. Artist, Lawrence Watts.

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Ferrari F399. Artist, Betti, Giulio or Bruno.

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MZ 'disc valve' racing engine. Artist, Lawrence Watts.

Ferrari is the model F1-2000.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 17:53

Ferrari is the model F1-2000.


Are you sure? I have the F1 2000 to hand. (The differences are minimal though).

For speed, look at the exhausts, the sidepods and also the rear brake ducting.

Thanks :up:

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 19:50

Are you sure? I have the F1 2000 to hand. (The differences are minimal though).

For speed, look at the exhausts, the sidepods and also the rear brake ducting.

Thanks :up:

yes... for sure! the main differences i see are the front wing in white,(F399 is black) the two little projections in the front of cockpit over the pedals,(this projections are like the ones mclaren used in mp4/13, 14 and 15) and the side pods. (highest in the F399,as well as the in take design)

Edited by joca7483, 01 July 2012 - 20:05.


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Posted 01 July 2012 - 20:07

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Ferrari F399. Artist, Betti, Giulio or Bruno.


And this below, is what I have recorded as the F1 2000?

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Could it be an artistic mix up, or that each was perhaps drawn at a different point in, in-season development?

Edited by werks prototype, 01 July 2012 - 20:58.


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Posted 01 July 2012 - 21:10


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this is the F399 used in japan and malaysia 1999. :wave:

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 21:20

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this is the F399 used in japan and malaysia 1999. :wave:


The little flip-up fuel cap has moved though, did they do that in season?

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 21:31

The little flip-up fuel cap has moved though, did they do that in season?

:confused:
this two last drawings are from the 1999 car... the F399. the full drawing posted previously by you is the F1-2000 from 2000 season... is a new car... is natural that it has many modifications, :up:

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 21:35

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this two last drawings are from the 1999 car... the F399. the full drawing posted previously by you is the F1-2000 from 2000 season... is a new car... is natural that it has many modifications, :up:


Ok, thanks :up:

Auto Zeitung lists the first as F399 and a few pages Later the second (Below) as F1 2000?

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 21:40

Ok, thanks :up:

Auto Zeitung lists the first as F399 and a few pages Later the second (Below) as F1 2000?

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ok... but it is wrong! for sure.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 21:47

Ok, well if it is wrong, it won't be the first time.

Thanks again, joca! :up:

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 21:50

Ok, well if it is wrong, it won't be the first time.

Thanks again, joca! :up:


can you post the two complete drawings? f1-2000 and f399?

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 21:58

Ok, well if it is wrong, it won't be the first time.

Thanks again, joca! :up:


I am no expert (and don't even play the part of one on TV), but we do have Tony's drawings of both the 1999 and 2000 cars for comparison - I can't speak to other points, like the angle of the vee, etc., but there are these segments seem to speak for themselves.

Segment from the Betti drawing...
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Segment from Tony's 1999 car (F399)
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Segment from Tony's 2000 car (F2000)
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 22:00

can you post the two complete drawings? f1-2000 and f399?


Yes I will. :up:

I haven't properly scanned the F1-2000 yet, it is very big.


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Posted 01 July 2012 - 22:02

I am no expert (and don't even play the part of one on TV), but we do have Tony's drawings of both the 1999 and 2000 cars for comparison - I can't speak to other points, like the angle of the vee, etc., but there are these segments seem to speak for themselves.

Segment from the Betti drawing...
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Segment from Tony's 1999 car (F399)
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Segment from Tony's 2000 car (F2000)
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Peter


Very good. :up:

Edit: Where do I find Tony's F399? Isn't that the F300?

Edited by werks prototype, 01 July 2012 - 22:19.


#11746 Tony Matthews

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 22:43

Edit: Where do I find Tony's F399? Isn't that the F300?

My drawing was of the F300.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 22:48

My drawing was of the F300.


I thought so, thanks. I did check the index.

I'll post the F399, alongside the F1 2000, and maybe we will get to the bottom of the riddle.

Edit:

According to Auto Zeitung.

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Ferrari F399. Artist, Giulio Betti.

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Ferrari F1-2000. Artist, Giulio Betti.

If you look very closely and you will see a 'ghost' Ferrari shield to the left of the shield on the tub of the work labelled F399.

Either, Auto Zeitung are correct,

or a rather hasty re-working has occurred, resulting in the cutaway equivalent of that popular card game the 'Misfits',

or the F1-2000 was photographed and drawn either pre-season, at launch, or deep into the seasons development?

Edited by werks prototype, 01 July 2012 - 23:54.


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Posted 02 July 2012 - 04:45

I thought so, thanks. I did check the index.

I'll post the F399, alongside the F1 2000, and maybe we will get to the bottom of the riddle.

Edit:

According to Auto Zeitung.

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Ferrari F399. Artist, Giulio Betti.

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Ferrari F1-2000. Artist, Giulio Betti.

If you look very closely and you will see a 'ghost' Ferrari shield to the left of the shield on the tub of the work labelled F399.

Either, Auto Zeitung are correct,

or a rather hasty re-working has occurred, resulting in the cutaway equivalent of that popular card game the 'Misfits',

or the F1-2000 was photographed and drawn either pre-season, at launch, or deep into the seasons development?

SORRY... are you doubting me??!! i told you... the first is the f1-2000 and the second the f399! pick some real pictures of both and see the color of the front wing... 1999 f399 is black! i dont know why or how,but the magazine changed the names.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 04:56

Some interesting stuff is joining the list of Jaguar-related memorabilia on Ian Cooling's auction site. If you look half-way down the page there is a claimed original Vic Berris cutaway drawing of the later quad-cam V12.

Ian Cooling Jaguar Memorabilia Auction

Pictured after the end of the XJ13 project when quad-cam engines were fitted with gear-driven cams (the first engines, including the one installed in the XJ13, all had chain-driven cams).

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 05:17

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F399 1999 season

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F1-2000 2000 season

And yes i've seen the ghost... the f1-2000 was done from the same drawing as f399. (the two drawings are arranged in exactly the same angle) And as you can see in the pictures,the ferrari logo changed its place from one year to another.

Edited by joca7483, 02 July 2012 - 05:25.