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#1151 PeterElleray

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:50

Originally posted by Nigel Beresford


A shuffling of feet and a "no, we won't need you to do that".

Roger said it after setting an arduous challenge for the team (I can't remember which...there were so many).

It was his way of saying "I'm not above doing anything that's needed, however "menial", and neither is anyone else".


interesting Nigel, i was wondering if it was a genuine offer of help in a tight situation or a challenging remark. assuming that is that Roger Penske of Roger Penske Inc had an up to date HGV licence...

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#1152 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:58

Originally posted by PeterElleray


interesting Nigel, i was wondering if it was a genuine offer of help in a tight situation or a challenging remark. assuming that is that Roger Penske of Roger Penske Inc had an up to date HGV licence...

peter


Clearly there was an element of challenge there (made in the safe knowledge that no-one would take him up on it).. as I said, RP was underlining that nobody should consider anything beneath them if that was what was required to move the team forward.

I don't suppose RP has a current CDL, but I do remember Ken driving the Tyrrell truck to Monaco in '89. IIRC he was celebrating his 65th birthday or something like that. He managed to clip a toll booth at a peage at one point on the way down...

#1153 PeterElleray

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:48

Originally posted by Nigel Beresford


Clearly there was an element of challenge there (made in the safe knowledge that no-one would take him up on it).. as I said, RP was underlining that nobody should consider anything beneath them if that was what was required to move the team forward.

I don't suppose RP has a current CDL, but I do remember Ken driving the Tyrrell truck to Monaco in '89. IIRC he was celebrating his 65th birthday or something like that. He managed to clip a toll booth at a peage at one point on the way down...


yes i remember that - very KT i would say! and you can almost hear it canr you? "Ken, we've got a real problem, the truckie's cant goto Monaco, and noone else in the team with an HGV"... short pause.. "I have..."

but it would have been lovely if someone had said "Roger, thats great, we didnt like to ask but it would be ever so helpful if you could - er, you'll need to be getting a move on though.."

i guess that as you say, you should conclude that the offer was made in the almost certain knowledge that no one would come out with the above!

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#1154 Stephen Miller

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 02:47

Originally posted by Tony Matthews
Right, differences! Apart from the obvious wing thing, and 'invisibles' such as tyre pressures and stagger, etc., (sorry Stephen et al - tire), underwing and gearbox, we have, I think:-

Front brake back-plates/cooling ducts.

Front brake discs (rotors) steel v carbon.

Windscreens.

Engines, Ilmor 265D v Mercedes 500I

Pop-off valves.

Radiator outlet ducting.

Engine cover - raised for the push-rod engine.

Engine cover fin - Indy rules stated the fin should not extend beyond the rear-wheel centre-line.

Rear brake back-plates/cooling ducts.

Rear discs - ditto.

Various decals that macoran picked up!

Single-post rear wing mount on the Indy version, twin on the Champcar version.

and finally - ta daaah! - tiny front wing adjusters on the Indy version -

- and the 265D engine had bifurcated exhaust stubs due to the four valve head as opposed to the 500I's two-vale layout and straight stubs. That detail is just visible!

E & OE as they say in the retail world.

I thank you.


That was fun Tony! Thanks for the challenge.

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 16:03

I found a few days ago Bill Bennett's cutaway of the March 707 in two pieces on the french motorsport forum autodiva.fr. Clueing two part drawings together is kind of a pain in the arse. This is as good as i could manage:

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#1156 Tony Matthews

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 18:04

What a lovely big beast! I wish I had done more cutaways of page-filling monsters, thanks Duc-Man.

#1157 Keke Rosberg

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 18:13

Hi Tony
I remember seeing a 1985 McLaren cut away drawing 24 years ago, was that one done by you? have you done any 1985 F1 car cut away drawings?

thanks!

#1158 Tony Matthews

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 20:40

Originally posted by Keke Rosberg
Hi Tony, I remember seeing a 1985 McLaren cut away drawing 24 years ago, was that one done by you? have you done any 1985 F1 car cut away drawings? thanks!


No, sorry, no McLarens after the M26 in 1976.

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 22:55

Duc-Man

Here is the Bennett March 707 cutaway with parts glued together.

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Edited by ibsenop, 18 February 2012 - 10:48.


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#1160 Tony Matthews

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 23:07

Originally posted by ibsenop
Duc-Man

Here is the Bennett March 707 cutaway with parts glued together.

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More magic from Ibsen! :up:

#1161 ibsenop

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 01:24

Not showed in this thread yet if my memory not failed.

Jean Jacques Francois or JJ Francois

Jaguar E type Low Drag Coupe cutaway from Auto Passion

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#1162 Tony Matthews

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 08:30

What a nice cutaway of my favourite 'E' Type. I have to admit that - shock horror! - the 'E' Type does not have the same effects on my visual pleasure centre as it does for so many people. The first time I saw one, a metalic grey coupe parked outide 'The Highlander' pub at the end of Greys Lane, where Jim Allington had his studio, Jim and I walked down to have a look. It was certainly impressive, especially in those days, but we both felt that there were 'flaws', and my view has not changed even with a dose of nostalgia. However, the Lightweight Coupe! How much better, a stunning car.

I have not seen this cutaway before, I like it very much, it looks so much better on its background than my 'D' Type does - I was never happy with my effort, and the graphic element is sadly lacking. I think J.J.Francoise specialised in F3000 cars, there were lots - or so it seemed - of cutaways of them in the '80's, all with the trademark 'mirror' background. Apart from liking them at the time my abiding memory is thinking "All that extra work!" Where is he now?

What intrigues me is that he must have had a similar run-in with Jaguar that Ray Kilhan, who's KK Jigsaws concern is the reason for the cutaway in the first place, and I had. They were very iffy about any Jaguar logo's being used, in the end grudgingly allowing us to use the old racing logo. It was as if they wanted nothing to do with their heritage. Eventually Goeff Lawson, as Head of Styling, had one framed and hanging in his office at the Jaguar Tech. Centre, albeit with that rather dated border trimmed off!


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Posted 07 April 2009 - 09:58

Further to my previous listings of Tony's work, I have now found the Trojan T102 Formula 5000 car. This I believe was based on the unsuccessful F1 car. Again sorry for the poor quality but maybe Ibsen can clean it up to do it justice.







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#1164 PeterElleray

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 11:20

Originally posted by Rancethebus
Further to my previous listings of Tony's work, I have now found the Trojan T102 Formula 5000 car. This I believe was based on the unsuccessful F1 car. Again sorry for the poor quality but maybe Ibsen can clean it up to do it justice.

well, maybe....

the t102 f5000 car appeared first, then the t103 f1 that was supposed to be derived from it. but you do have to wonder if the f1 was actually drawn first and then the f5000 concocted from that - anybody reading this know the answer?

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#1165 IrishMariner

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 14:46

Originally posted by Tony Matthews
I think J.J.Francoise specialised in F3000 cars, there were lots - or so it seemed - of cutaways of them in the '80's, all with the trademark 'mirror' background.


If memory serves, I saw a cutaway of the Reynard 89D in Autosport and was quite impressed at the time - I wonder if it was the same guy? I remember specifically being interested in the use of a machines front bulkhead/suspension unit that was a Reynard F3000 hallmark at the time.

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 15:06

Originally posted by Rancethebus
Further to my previous listings of Tony's work, I have now found the Trojan T102 Formula 5000 car. This I believe was based on the unsuccessful F1 car. Again sorry for the poor quality but maybe Ibsen can clean it up to do it justice.







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I am keen to find a cutaway of the Trojan T101/Mclaren M21 chassis. Anyone know of any info on that chassis?

Stephen

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 16:12

I remembered last night that I have in my posession, an excelent book entitled The Autocourse History of the Grand Prix Car 1966-1985 by Doug Nye published by Hazleton. It is full of cutaway drawings of F1 related illustrations. The main reason I puchased it other than covering my favourite era of F1, was because many of Tony's illustrations are within. I have scanned some, unfortunately on an A4 scanner and over the next few days I will upload them to share with you. The first is with this post. It is the Renault V6 1.5 Turbo engine. It is listed as being illustrated by E.T.A.I. France which I believe (I am sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong) was the technical offices of Renault. I hope you enjoy them as I upload them.

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#1168 Rancethebus

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 16:22

Morefrom the book this time two illustrations for the price of one. Two four-wheel-drive F1 cars. The Matra MS84 by our old friend Robert Roux and the other the McLaren M9A. Both failures as they all were because of the excess weight. It seems ironic that during this period there were hardly any wet grand prix where these type of cars would have been at an advantage. I recall attending the 1969 British GP at Silverstone with all the 4 x 4's circulating together at the tail of the field before they each retired. Poor old Derek Bell in that M9A.

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 16:44

To Ibsen:

Much better job on that March 707 then I could do. I just noticed something: the car has no rear wing???

Also thanks for the Lindner-Jaguar. That is one of my favorite race-cars of all time. I know that the car used to be in the Rosso-Bianco Collection in Aschaffenburg. Does anybody know where it went after the museum was sold-off?

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 16:49

To Rancethebus

Here is the Matthews Trojan T102 cutaway cleanned up. Not so good. Is more easy to do if scanned at higher resolution.

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Edited by ibsenop, 18 February 2012 - 10:43.


#1171 Tony Matthews

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 17:04

Originally posted by Rancethebus
I remembered last night that I have in my posession, an excelent book entitled The Autocourse History of the Grand Prix Car 1966-1985 by Doug Nye published by Hazleton. It is full of cutaway drawings of F1 related illustrations. The main reason I puchased it other than covering my favourite era of F1, was because many of Tony's illustrations are within. I have scanned some, unfortunately on an A4 scanner and over the next few days I will upload them to share with you. The first is with this post. It is the Renault V6 1.5 Turbo engine. It is listed as being illustrated by E.T.A.I. France which I believe (I am sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong) was the technical offices of Renault. I hope you enjoy them as I upload them.

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I really think you ought to check with Doug and/or Hazelton before you start putting all this artwork on the thread - I have a pretty good idea of what I can and can't post, but that doesn't mean Marlboro or someone won't, at some stage, have a word in my shell-like. You will note that so far I haven't posted any of the Bill Bennet cutaways that I have in my possession, simply because they're not mine and I don't own the copyright. Untill I am sure of the situation they remain here in a pile.

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 17:42

It is all made clear here, for the benefit of new and old TNFers.
http://forums.autosp...&threadid=69381
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#1173 Tony Matthews

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 18:02

For SSC, who may or may not have got this far in the thread - part of working drawing of Ferrari TR250. All my working drawings, by the way, are my copyright, even if the rights to the finished artwork have been assigned to a client.

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#1174 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 18:06

Originally posted by Keke Rosberg


sorry for going OT

Hello Andrew
I was reading an old copy of PRIX Edition magazine and one of the ad was a drawing of Alesi and Senna @ the 1990 Pheonix GP, it's a great drawing to me, i like the angle it's looking at and it captures the intensity very well - then I realized it's drawn by you. :clap:

I've always like that drawing even a long time ago.

I also have got your drawing of Mansell & Senna @ the 1991 Barcelona GP. :wave:


Thanks Keke

Here is the Alesi one:
http://www.andrewkit...pages/alesi.htm

regards
Andrew

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 22:54

At this site all the cutaways of Shin Yoshikawa.

http://www.kaiartintl.com/home


to Duc-Man

I saw only one photo of the March 707 without rear wing. Cris Amon test - March with a aluminium add-on rear spoiler.

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#1176 Rancethebus

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 07:26

I really think you ought to check with Doug and/or Hazelton before you start putting all this artwork on the thread - I have a pretty good idea of what I can and can't post, but that doesn't mean Marlboro or someone won't, at some stage, have a word in my shell-like. You will note that so far I haven't posted any of the Bill Bennet cutaways that I have in my possession, simply because they're not mine and I don't own the copyright. Untill I am sure of the situation they remain here in a pile. [QUOTE]

Plan B I suggest if anyone is really interested, then they buy the book.

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 07:59

To Rancethebus

Here is the Matthews Trojan T102 cutaway cleanned up. Not so good. Is more easy to do if scanned at higher resolution.



Ibsen
http://public.fotki.com/ibsenop/

Good morning, everyone. Tony's cutaway of the Trojan T102 became a permanent decoration on the workshop wall when we were rebuilding this car from several boxes of tiny pieces in 1984/5!! It was a most useful aid to the rebuild! Still have and race this car when it behaves itself and doesn't live up to it's heyday reputation! Also have the Cosworth GAA cutaway which is useful for our other F5000, the March 76A.

Have several other Motoring News cutaways on my desk here but am unable to scan them, sorry! They include Porsche 917-10, Ferrari 312P, BRM P160, Tyrrell 001(?) and 005, Mirage-Weslake, Ibec P2, Surtees TS9B, Lotus 72, BOSS Capri and the Chevy-Cosworth Vega engine.

Regards

Tim

#1178 Tony Matthews

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 09:02

Hi Tim, I'm delighted to hear that the Trojan cutaway was of some help in the re-build, my drawing must have been reasonably accurate after all! The Porsche 917/10, Ferrari 312P, Tyrrell 003, Mirage, Ibec and TS9B have already featured ealier in the thread, and certainly don't need further airing!;)

Also, more thanks to Ibsen the Magician, who has worked wonders with the T102 print, it looks as good as new!

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 15:19

Originally posted by ibsenop
At this site all the cutaways of Shin Yoshikawa.

http://www.kaiartintl.com/home


to Duc-Man

I saw only one photo of the March 707 without rear wing. Cris Amon test - March with a aluminium add-on rear spoiler.

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Olá Ibsen !

Para não parecer piada de português, escrevo na nossa língua natal.

Belos desenhos no teu arquivo !
Pelos carros apresentados, suponho que tens mais ou menos a minha idade (52) e aprecias os mesmos modelos.
É possível copia-los / imprimi-los, para facilitar a pintura de minhas carrocerias de autorama (sou um dos dinossauros sobreviventes desse hobby) ?

Saudações alvinegras.
André Acker.

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#1180 Paulo Coimbra

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 15:40

Originally posted by Andre Acker


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Olá Ibsen !

Para não parecer piada de português, escrevo na nossa língua natal.

Belos desenhos no teu arquivo !
Pelos carros apresentados, suponho que tens mais ou menos a minha idade (52) e aprecias os mesmos modelos.
É possível copia-los / imprimi-los, para facilitar a pintura de minhas carrocerias de autorama (sou um dos dinossauros sobreviventes desse hobby) ?

Saudações alvinegras.
André Acker.


Andre, t bem?
Posso me intrometer??
Sou frequentador desse forum e um apaixonado por carros...
Minha biblioteca é enorme, sou mais "novinho" rsrsr, tenho 49/50
Assim como vc, ja pratiquei autorama, Plastimodelismo e agora estou nas miniaturas de metal(1/43 e 1/18)
Vc pode me enviar uma mensagem para paulo.coimbra@oi.com.br
De darei umas dicas de como faço as impressões desse trabalhos fantásticos do Tony e dos outros, ok?
Podemos trocar outras informações tb se quiser.
Mas não deixe de prestar atenção nas dicas do Mestre Ibsen, ok?
abração
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#1181 DHFiallo

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 15:56

As I said before I am a big fan of this kind of art and I found a store on Ebay that sells prints of cutaways.
http://stores.ebay.c...0QQftidZ2QQtZkm

To be PC. I'm not associated with them, but I have bought some prints from them. Specifically: TWR Jaguar and my daily driver, a Toyota MR2. The prints are on good stock paper, but in any case, they do have quite a bit of variety.
Too, some of them look like they were done by you Tony? I would hate to think that someone is profiting from your work and you're not getting compensated.
Thanks Ibsen for the Shin link. He has a blog on that site that shows him going through his process, very interesting.

#1182 byrkus

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 16:13

Originally posted by DHFiallo
Too, some of them look like they were done by you Tony?


This one certainly is, as it appears on this same page...

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 16:23

Originally posted by DHFiallo
As I said before I am a big fan of this kind of art and I found a store on Ebay that sells prints of cutaways.
http://stores.ebay.c...0QQftidZ2QQtZkm

To be PC. I'm not associated with them, but I have bought some prints from them. Specifically: TWR Jaguar and my daily driver, a Toyota MR2. The prints are on good stock paper, but in any case, they do have quite a bit of variety.
Too, some of them look like they were done by you Tony? I would hate to think that someone is profiting from your work and you're not getting compensated.
Thanks Ibsen for the Shin link. He has a blog on that site that shows him going through his process, very interesting.


Where did they get all those from?

There's 5 there that I did some work on about 15 years ago. (Aston DB4, E Type, Bristol, Lotus Cortina & Gilbern). Classic Cars used to send me black and white prints from the original drawings and I would Airbrush the colour on top. Some of the prints were really poor quality and needed cleaning up first. I was also being paid peanuts so didn't spend too much time on them!

Definately some of Tony's there.

#1184 Tony Matthews

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 16:38

DHFiallo, byrkus - we have two Boy Scouts amongst us ! Thank you, very interesting, the Ferrrari 250GTO is Nick Mason's copyright, the Lotus 78 and 79 are BAT(John Player) copyright, the Galmer is Valvoline's and the Alfa P3 and Tyrrell 007 are LAT's. The 'D' Type, FW14 and 250F are MINE, all MINE! We will have to see how this pans out, I may not be able to do anything about it, but I will try. It so happens that I have a relative who is a barrister specializing in copyright law...

#1185 alansart

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 16:54

And the ones I worked on probably belonged to IPC.

#1186 macoran

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 20:49

Tony, I stumbled across this on the internet.
Any chance of showing us the Miller PC16 a tad larger ?

http://images.google...ttp...l=nl&um=1

#1187 macoran

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 21:00

Originally posted by DHFiallo
As I said before I am a big fan of this kind of art and I found a store on Ebay that sells prints of cutaways.


The roques !! trying to gain by selling over the backs of another man's labours.

#1188 Tony Matthews

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 22:04

Originally posted by macoran
Tony, I stumbled across this on the internet. Any chance of showing us the Miller PC16 a tad larger ?


Hi Marc, I'll do it tomorrow! It was done in Miller and Pennzoil colours, the first time I did a complete body overlay to turn one car into another.

#1189 ibsenop

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 23:51

Another great cutaway artist.

Sergio Baratto

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#1190 Tony Matthews

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Posted 09 April 2009 - 16:48

Originally posted by macoran
Tony, I stumbled across this on the internet. Any chance of showing us the Miller PC16 a tad larger ?


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Here we are, Marc, the first full-body colour change, before this I had changed minor parts, small areas of bodywork, but there was no alternative here, I had to do The Lot.

#1191 macoran

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Posted 09 April 2009 - 22:58

Thanks Tony !, I just got home from doing some decorating work and repair jobs in the neighbourhood.
Great to be able to have a sit-down with a cold beer, sushi and some more great cutaways !

Ibsen... where does Sergio Barato hail from ?

#1192 ibsenop

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 00:18

Sergio Baratto

AutoSprint and various italian magazines.
I think he is italian.

AutoSprint Anno 1979 - Six posters aprox 600x420mm
Ferrari 312 T4 by Sergio Baratto
Lotus 80 by Sergio Baratto
Tyrrell 009 by Sergio Baratto
Ligier JS11 by Sergio Baratto
Williams FW07 by Sergio Baratto
Renault RS10 by E.T.A.I France

AutoSprint Anno 1980 - Six posters aprox 600x420mm
Williams FW07 by Sergio Baratto
Arrows A3 by Sergio Baratto
Alfa Romeo 179 by Sergio Baratto
Lotus 81 by Sergio Baratto
Renault RE20 by Sergio Baratto
Brabham BT49 by Sergio Baratto

Ibsen
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 04:26

To be honest, when I found that store I thought you (Tony) might have done a deal with them, but since they only had some of your art I thought it strange. I am foremost a fan and to me your efforts are certainly worthy of being called art. I sincerely hope that all of you get your just rewards. As I said, to see someone profit off of your talents without you receiving compensation is wrong! :evil:

#1194 Rancethebus

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 08:59

[QUOTE][To be honest, when I found that store I thought you (Tony) might have done a deal with them, but since they only had some of your art I thought it strange. I am foremost a fan and to me your efforts are certainly worthy of being called art. I sincerely hope that all of you get your just rewards. As I said, to see someone profit off of your talents without you receiving compensation is wrong!]


Here! Here! to that.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 10:57

I went to the new Porsche Museum yesterday. That is beyond anything I've seen before.
Why I post this here? Well they have a three part cutaway of a 911 there.

Part 1 would be the clay model and there is not much to see apart from some wooden boxes and lots of clay...so I skipped that.

Part 2:
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Okay, okay, it's not a drawing...

#1196 Tony Matthews

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 11:04

Originally posted by Duc-Man
I went to the new Porsche Museum yesterday. That is beyond anything I've seen before. Why I post this here? Well they have a three part cutaway of a 911 there.


I know that the Porsche museum is beautifully designed and presented - I envy you! However, the traditional method of cutting away is cheaper...!

#1197 Duc-Man

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 12:25

It's not only cheaper, it also takes less space...

#1198 fines

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 12:34

That Porsche doesn't take much space, either - I think I could fit five of'em in my garage...

... if I had a garage, that is! :blush:

#1199 DHFiallo

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 15:19

Thanks for the post of the Porsche. Curiously, in the background, I see a Rothman's 956 hanging from the roof? In any case, a visit to the Porsche museum seems to me to be a nice way to spend the day!

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#1200 alansart

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 15:26

In a similar vein, but an exploded car instead of a cutaway.

The BMW Sauber Pit Lane Park extravaganza had an F1 car pulled apart which you could walk around.

The first pic isn't mine....

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....but these are.

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It was interesting to see how small the engines are with tiny clutches!