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#1651 Tony Matthews

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 23:26

Who he ?
I know Joe Bloggs,Otto Normalverbraucher,Gordon Bennett,John Doe,Frans,A.N.Other,Jan met de Pet,John Q. Public and Jan Modaal but John Connor ?


It is he that is doomed to take on the Terminator. He doesn't stand a chance, if I don't get him, another Tony Matthews will, or another...


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#1652 macoran

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 15:43

A Betti "ole one".......Alfa Romeo P2 << edit >> it Alfa Romeo Tipo B....P3
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#1653 Tony Matthews

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 16:42

That's even ole'r than my ole P3 cutaway for Motor Sport!

#1654 macoran

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 17:18

That's even ole'r than my ole P3 cutaway for Motor Sport!

Oi !! I have more searching to do then ....


#1655 macoran

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 20:24

Not really cutaways in the sense of what we have been posting up to now, but very interesting none the less.
From a series ( of 12, I believe) of articles by Cyril Posthumus ...drawings by Brian Hatton in Motor magazine during 1975,
all collected by a young Dutchie living in Thailand.
The series was titled "The non-Conformists".
Quattroruote published a few takes from this series as well.
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#1656 SWB

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 21:00

A Betti "ole one".......Alfa Romeo P2
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Its a Tipo B aka P3.

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#1657 macoran

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 21:54

Its a Tipo B aka P3.

Steve


Of course it is ....stupid typo, even my own pic tag says so


#1658 Tony Matthews

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 00:08

all collected by a young Dutchie living in Thailand.


Marc, you are amazing! And tireless.


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Posted 07 June 2009 - 11:58

And tireless.


All I am doing is putting things up !

Anyways here is another ole one
Mercedes W165 from a Motor centrespread, artist not credited. Brian Hatton ?

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 13:14

Heres a novelty. The Cosworth DFY engine drawn by a woman!!!! Diana Stevens. Now I'm not sexist but in my professional career as an illustrator I have only ever come across one woman illustrator and she switched to admin. Does anyone know of work by any other women illustrators?

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#1661 Tony Matthews

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 13:58

All I am doing is putting things up !


You should concentrate more on cutaways, Marc!

Anyways here is another ole one
Mercedes W165 from a Motor centrespread, artist not credited. Brian Hatton ?

That definitely looks like a Hatton.


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Posted 07 June 2009 - 15:37

Alfa Romeo Bimotore 1935
Cutaway artist: Giulio Betti

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#1663 macoran

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 16:51

Heres a novelty. The Cosworth DFY engine drawn by a woman!!!! Diana Stevens. Now I'm not sexist but in my professional career as an illustrator I have only ever come across one woman illustrator and she switched to admin. Does anyone know of work by any other women illustrators?

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Just looking at that one the other day and wondering the same.
I have posed the question before about the Dagrada F Jr cutaway signed Emily, until Anders pointed out it could be a surname.


#1664 macoran

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 16:53

Alfa Romeo Bimotore 1935
Cutaway artist: Giulio Betti
Ibsen


Very good Ibsen, I'll mosey along now and stitch up Hatton's Bimotore

edit : moseying back now
Brain Hatton's 1935 Alfa Bimotore from the series of articles "The non-Conformists" in Motor magazine by Cyril Posthumus.
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#1665 macoran

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 18:30

A.N.Other Alfa, this one was more of a No-Motore, the 179
Paolo d'Alessio's rendering
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#1666 macoran

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 22:09

Rover BRM Turbine car by John Ferguson
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and by someone else........any ideas who?
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#1667 macoran

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 22:37

Just scroll down to the end of this site and wonder where this guy gets all his "NEW" stuff from
http://images.google...ttp...sa=N&um=1

#1668 Tony Matthews

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 23:48

and by someone else........any ideas who?
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James A Allington, Marc.


#1669 macoran

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 16:47

James A Allington, Marc.

Thanks for confirming that Tony, I can now update that file :up:


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Posted 08 June 2009 - 21:11

A Matthews not yet posted

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#1671 Tony Matthews

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 22:20

That looks very pale and washed-out, Marc, typical of Racecar Engineering, it used to drive me to distraction, especially as Racer magazine reproduced them so well. My protests fell on deaf ears, however, and although I made the originals more and more contrasty it made no difference, totally pissed me off.

The colour scheme was based on the information I was given by Valvoline - and you have to remember, I never saw these cars in their paint, I only saw the carbon versions before they were shipped to the US of A - and turned out to be wrong. I was so concerned about this that as soon as I saw a photograph of the correct scheme and shade of blue I contacted Valvoline and offered to re-do the bodywork free, but the response was 'No, don't bother, we don't care.' How odd, I thought.

This was another Champ Car cutaway that was done in two versions, I'll see if I can root out the other one and post it.

#1672 macoran

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 22:30

That looks very pale and washed-out, Marc,

This was another Champ Car cutaway that was done in two versions, I'll see if I can root out the other one and post it.


I've tried to enhance the colour a bit Tony, and replaced the image


#1673 Paulo Coimbra

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 22:37

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Alfa Romeo P3 by Tony Matthews.
Excuse the low quality of the image.
rgds
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#1674 Tony Matthews

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 22:37

I've tried to enhance the colour a bit Tony, and replaced the image


You are a gentleman and a scholar Marc. I have found the Super Speedway version, but the HP software has decided to stop and have a cup of tea halfway through the scanning process, so God knows when I can finish it and post it. I get so many free downloads from HP promising improved performance of my scanner and printer, and all I get is frustration and delay - usually requiring uninstalling and reinstalling the damn things.

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#1675 Tony Matthews

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 22:42

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#1676 macoran

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 23:03

:up: Tony, thanks


Nice post Paolo, good find !!

#1677 Paulo Coimbra

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 23:07

:up: Tony, thanks


Nice post Paolo, good find !!

Ok Marc!
Tony is the best! :up:


#1678 Paulo Coimbra

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 23:08

Hi Tony!
Which work do you consider your best?
Did you already draw some car of the " new generation " of the it Formula 1?
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#1679 Paulo Coimbra

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 23:13

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The cars of Indy with configurations for Superspeedways are beautiful!
Oh yeah!
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#1680 macoran

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 23:30

The cars of Indy with configurations for Superspeedways are beautiful!
Oh yeah!
rgds


An Indy car for an Indy fan ! The Harvey Aluminium Special

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oops Aluminum !!

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 23:57

Alfa Romeo 512 1940.
Rear Engine, blower, 335 CV, De Dion rear suspension. Never raced because of the war.
Cutaway artist: Giulio Betti.

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#1682 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 09 June 2009 - 00:03

WOWZER!!!

Amazing machine, Ibsen. Any links to tech spex? Thanks.

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Posted 09 June 2009 - 01:06

WOWZER!!!

Amazing machine, Ibsen. Any links to tech spex? Thanks.


Try this link
http://ultimatecarpa...-Romeo-512.html

Ibsen

#1684 Tony Matthews

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Posted 09 June 2009 - 06:12

Did you already draw some car of the " new generation " of the it Formula 1?


No Paulo, I stopped illustrating in 2003, the last F1 car I drew was the Ferrari F2000, car, engine and gearbox. There was no demand for cutaways and I have to earn money!

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Posted 09 June 2009 - 10:19

Let's combine the subjects Alfa Romeo and Indy. Did anybody do the March Alfa Romeo 89?

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#1686 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 09 June 2009 - 10:59

Many thanks for that link, Ibsen.

I'm completely enthralled with this car. Pity it never got a chance to show its stuff.



#1687 Tony Matthews

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Posted 09 June 2009 - 14:15

Let's combine the subjects Alfa Romeo and Indy. Did anybody do the March Alfa Romeo 89?


I think B Betti did it D-M, I'll see if I can find it - before macoran does!


#1688 Tony Matthews

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Posted 09 June 2009 - 15:41

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Well no luck with the March Alfa, I still haven't sorted my books out. However, I stumbled across this image of yours truly standing next to the Lola T94 in the CART build area at Lola, Huntingdon. I am obviously desperately trying to think of anything I haven't photographed...

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Posted 09 June 2009 - 16:46

Let's combine the subjects Alfa Romeo and Indy. Did anybody do the March Alfa Romeo 89?


Alfa Romeo and Indy

Lola T90-00 Alfa Romeo
Cutaway artist: Bruno Betti

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Engine: Alfa Romeo V8 2650 Turbo
Cutaway artist: Bruno Betti

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#1690 macoran

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Posted 09 June 2009 - 21:10

No luck on an Indy Lola Alfa cutaway Tony, only a painting by Giorgio Alisi. But as you see Ibsen has come up trumps.
but here is :
1993 Indy Penske PC22 Ilmor 265C Chevrolet V8 by yourself
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#1691 Tony Matthews

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Posted 09 June 2009 - 22:34

No luck on an Indy Lola Alfa cutaway Tony, only a painting by Giorgio Alisi. But as you see Ibsen has come up trumps.


Except that we were looking for a March-Alfa! There is one out there...


#1692 macoran

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Posted 09 June 2009 - 22:39

Except that we were looking for a March-Alfa!

Bedtime Marc !!!


#1693 Tony Matthews

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Posted 09 June 2009 - 22:44

Bedtime Marc !!!

Nite nite Marc!

At the risk of repeating myself here are some of the parts that made up the PC22 that you posted earlier.
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Posted 10 June 2009 - 06:47

Alfa Romeo and Indy



Engine: Alfa Romeo V8 2650 Turbo
Cutaway artist: Bruno Betti

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This must be a Phase I or Phase II engine. Alfa also had a 40 valve version, the Phase III that was debuted after Indy 1990.


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#1695 Tony Matthews

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 10:57

This must be a Phase I or Phase II engine. Alfa also had a 40 valve version, the Phase III that was debuted after Indy 1990.


Henri


I know that one Champ Car team 'lent' an Ilmor-Chevrolet 265A to Alfa Romeo, and as a result the Alfa engine suddenly appeared with an identical plenum chamber to the Ilmor. It also meant that Ilmor completely revised their relationship with their customer teams, I think buying back all the engines and thereafter only leasing them. Paul Morgan was spitting feathers when I asked him about it.


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Posted 10 June 2009 - 11:41

Loved looking at all the illustrations on this thread, especially Tonys great work.

Poor by comparison and not a cutaway but something I did in illustrator...

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#1697 Tony Matthews

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 12:01

not a cutaway but something I did in illustrator...


It has a very nice feel about it - if one can use 'feel' in this context - and the reflections and shadows give it depth and a bit of sparkle, something I tried to achieve with a paintbrush, but didn't often manage to my satisfaction.




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Posted 10 June 2009 - 12:24

It has a very nice feel about it - if one can use 'feel' in this context - and the reflections and shadows give it depth and a bit of sparkle, something I tried to achieve with a paintbrush, but didn't often manage to my satisfaction.



Thanks! glad you like it. Yes it seems slightly cartoony for a technical illustration. Quite enjoyable to do it like this though without having to get all the measurements spot on...

#1699 Tony Matthews

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 13:45

... all the measurements spot on...

You're obviously not talking about me, then!

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#1700 Henri Greuter

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 14:15

I know that one Champ Car team 'lent' an Ilmor-Chevrolet 265A to Alfa Romeo, and as a result the Alfa engine suddenly appeared with an identical plenum chamber to the Ilmor. It also meant that Ilmor completely revised their relationship with their customer teams, I think buying back all the engines and thereafter only leasing them. Paul Morgan was spitting feathers when I asked him about it.



I am doing a piece on the CART Alfa's on 8W/Forix right now and I know about that story and what it eventually ended up with.....
It was Pat Patrick who did that and man he had to pay dearly for that later on....
Looking on wat Alfa achieved with their engines, Pat should have saved him the problems. I don't know what the italians did with that engine but the opportunity was wasted on them

But I've seen someone else going beserk about an CART Alfa Romeo related matter: scale models of the cars....
Watch 8W for the details on that Story....

Meanwhile, I wished I could include that cutaway drawing of the Alfa V8 on the website that I work upon.....

Henri