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#1751 macoran

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Posted 14 June 2009 - 21:24

McLaren MP4/2
Technical Art I think
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Jean Jacques François
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#1752 ibsenop

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Posted 14 June 2009 - 23:19

1973 Avallone Ford
Brazilian car with chassis based on a modified Lola T-142 and body based on Lola T222.
Tubular chassis. Ford V8, Dodge V8 or Chevrolet in Line 6 cil motor.

Cutaway by Walter Brito.

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Ibsen

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#1753 Tony Matthews

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 11:27

Amazing !! I know Bamber's cartoons, and am really surprised of his multi-talent.
Cartoonists are usually known for their quick scribbly work, catching one or two important features to
catch the personality/ character of what they are portraying.
The cutaway artist, sitting down to a labour of detail attention to capture exactly what is to be seen.

Or should I just think an artist is an artist is an.....


Not necessarily Marc, most 'artists' can't do technical illustration, Gavin McLeod always said he didn't understand how I worked out the perspective. I told him it was easy and I'd show him how if he showed me how to airbrush things slightly out-of-focus. Sadly it didn't happen. But Jim Bamber is more like me, I think, in being more of a model-maker, craftsman-type - some of his artwork was/is (I haven't seen any of his work for ten years) more like installations, 3D works like opening wooden garage doors concealing the nose of a Ferrari, and as I have said before, I thought of my cutaways more as 2D models than artwork.


#1754 seasalt

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 13:34

Gentlemen, and anyone that may be offended by the term,

I don't know if pre-war motorsport is of interest here, but just asking.

Are there any cutaways in existence of the 1938 Alfa Romeo 2900B Mille Miglia, or of any of the other less exalted 2900B variations? (I guess that includes the type35 racer. I've seen at least one Bimotore drawing here after three nights of reading all the posts.) I know its not a post war racer, but if anyone would know of such .... I think they're probably here.

I have just one cutaway on my hard drive, lifted from c&sc, of a Komenda design for a GT version with "McLaren seating" that was never built, of the Auto Union V16 racer (that was), but clearly the design shape influenced Dr Porsche. Brian Nation is the artist.

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There is a larger version at http://home.exetel.c...t/Images/1a.jpg Sorry it was across two pages and beyond my Photoshop patience level to fix.

I've really enjoyed this topic and the art.

PS As much as I know about the Type52 Auto Union

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#1755 Tony Matthews

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 13:57

Gentlemen, and anyone that may be offended by the term...


I've been called a lot worse than that, seasalt, I can tell you. What a fantastic car shown in the cutaway, I've seen something about it before, can't remember when, though. As to your request, macoran or ibsenop are bound to come up with something...


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Posted 15 June 2009 - 15:32

ISTR that we have covered this before, abvout 4/5 years ago, under something like the Auto Union P Wagen. Maybe we can find it again as I recall that there were several drawings and/or photos.
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#1757 Tony Matthews

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 15:53

I see that the cutaway is credited to Brian 'Nation', perhaps Brian Hatton was moonlighting...

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 16:05

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Two examples of airbrush painting of gearboxes - a bit messy, although the artwork itself is normally carefully masked, only the part being worked on exposed to the possibility of disaster.


I think that is every bit as astonishing as a Canaletto ( and for me there is no greater artist than him )


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Posted 15 June 2009 - 16:09

I think that is every bit as astonishing as a Canaletto ( and for me there is no greater artist than him )


Agreed. I've always thought of Canaletto as more of an illustrator than an artist. Very technical.

It's a pity there wasn't an awful lot of motor racing going on in his day :)

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#1760 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 16:32

I bought these two from a stall at the Luton Festival of Transport yesterday. Tony's I don;t recognise from the last few pages (unless it was posted ages ago) and the second one is a Ferrari but it's not finished and has no name but does have little pointers with scribbles of ask such and such for more info - it's fascinating and any clues would be much appreciated!!

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#1761 Tony Matthews

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 16:44

Ah ha! I wonder who had them originaly! The first is a chromacopy, now no longer available due to ink-jet printers and computers, but they were a high-quality print, and although some colours were slightly out they were very light-fast, so very little fading over time.

The second is mine, a print of the working drawing of the Neil Corner Ferrari Dino V12 that I posted in colour on about page 4 of this thread. I hope you didn't pay too much Gregor.

#1762 Tony Matthews

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 16:48

I think that is every bit as astonishing as a Canaletto...




Thank you Richard. I think it's hard to beat a big dish of Canaletto, some freshly shaved parmesan and a litre of Valpolicella!



#1763 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 17:04

Ah ha! I wonder who had them originaly! The first is a chromacopy, now no longer available due to ink-jet printers and computers, but they were a high-quality print, and although some colours were slightly out they were very light-fast, so very little fading over time.

The second is mine, a print of the working drawing of the Neil Corner Ferrari Dino V12 that I posted in colour on about page 4 of this thread. I hope you didn't pay too much Gregor.


The guy who sold them was in his early 60s and had a small tressle table, mainly with junk but of course when I saw a Matthews masterpiece I had to get it and I just really liked the workings on the other drawing (he knew nothing about either of them).

The colours on the March do look very sharpe (slightly dark) and the Ferrari working picture is great (even with the dark 1/3rd) and I especially liked the little notes that I now know that you wrote!! He wanted £50 for the pair (£30 for the Ferrari and £20 for the March) and I got him down to £40.

To be honest as I owe you a painting I was going to give you the March one if you didn't have it (hence the question on the Baldock thread - I was hoping you were coming along tonight) but as they are both yours then you're more than welcome to them, FOC, balances out what you sent to me the other week. Let me know, pm if you'd prefer.

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 17:42

ISTR that we have covered this before, abvout 4/5 years ago, under something like the Auto Union P Wagen. Roger Lund

This all I can find, and the pictures have gone
http://forums.autosp...w...8&hl=Zoltan
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#1765 Tony Matthews

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 17:44

Interesting that he wanted more for the drawing - I'm glad you didn't pay too much. I have a couple of copies of the March, and the originals of both, but thanks for the thought. I didn't realise the Ferrari was 1/3 dark, I thought it was your photo! :lol: It wasn't printed on any special paper, just the stuff they use in drawing-office supplies and services. I've often wondered about its archival qualities, all the ones I've got are in a plan-chest, and those that I've seen framed seem OK, perhaps that one was in an unusual situation, like Montgomery Burns' Nuclear Power Station control room wall in Springfield, 2/3 hidden behind some lead!

#1766 macoran

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 18:55

macoran or ibsenop are bound to come up with something...


What a challenge !.....I don't know about photoshop cause the centerline fold/crease doesn't have the right colours and is all wrong.
this kind of damage calls for a respray !


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Posted 15 June 2009 - 20:14

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Something like this?

#1768 macoran

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 20:28

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Hope you approve .

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#1769 macoran

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 20:58

1973 Avallone Ford
Brazilian car with chassis based on a modified Lola T-142 and body based on Lola T222.
Tubular chassis. Ford V8, Dodge V8 or Chevrolet in Line 6 cil motor.

Cutaway by Walter Brito.

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Ibsen

That is good Ibsen ! I'd like to see one with an in line 6 cylinder in the back !!
Would you have some material on Brazilian racing to open a separate thread like Repco von Brabham did on the Argentinian MF1 series ?


#1770 Tony Matthews

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 21:46

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Something like this?


I hope Gregor doesn't think you've altered his framed print, he's going to be very disappointed...

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 01:23

Very few brazilian race car cutaways.

Fittipaldi brothers Volkswagen with two central mounted motors. 3200 cc.

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 01:25

Lancia Montecarlo Gr5
Cutaway by Bruno Betti

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Ibsen

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 09:03

Macoran, you have fixed that brilliantly. It would have taken me hours in photoshop to do that.

Posted it originally at http://www.smcars.ne...html#post228608 in 2005. I see it got picked up by vwv in http://forums.autosp...w...8&hl=Zoltan Cool. It was a brilliant might have been.

Interesting, but my true passion is the Alfa Romeo 2900B. Are there any cutaways in existence of the 1938 Alfa Romeo 2900B Mille Miglia, or of any of the other less exalted 2900B variations? (I guess that includes the type35 racer. I've seen at least one Bimotore drawing here after three nights of reading all the posts.) I know its not a post war racer, but if anyone would know of such .... I think they're probably here.

I've not seen any in my searches. The closest is the later experimental roadster. http://home.exetel.c...Images/8c45.jpg but that has copyright obscuring it in big letters.
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#1774 Henri Greuter

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 15:17

Lancia Montecarlo Gr5
Cutaway by Bruno Betti
Ibsen


Oh, I love all these Lancias.
Any LC1 and LC2 drawings out by chance?

Now my true favorite: Novis!

I know about the famous cutaway drawing of the engine by CO LaTourette.
I know Autocar or another magazine of that year had one of the 1964 Ferguson P104.
But is that it?

No, I hope....


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Posted 16 June 2009 - 18:07

Now my true favorite: Novis!

I know about the famous cutaway drawing of the engine by CO LaTourette.
I know Autocar or another magazine of that year had one of the 1964 Ferguson P104.
But is that it?

No, I hope....


Henri


Autocar May 1 1964 , coloured two page spread of the Novi Ferguson.Cutaway by Vic Berris.
Chassis (spaceframe) drawing and drawings of cooling and dry sump lubrication system layout.

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#1776 Tony Matthews

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 18:10

Now my true favorite: Novis!

Henri


Henri, Jim Allington did a Novi-Ferguson, but I'm not sure if it was in '64, and it probably only appeared in Road & Track. I remember he was agonizing over the sizes of the front v rear wheels and tyres, until I plucked up the courage to say that, surely, they would be the same. He slapped his forehead and drew them the same - whether that was correct or not I don't know, but it looked OK! In those days the amount of photographic reference varied, depending on what David Phipps - invariably - could get for him.


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Posted 16 June 2009 - 18:18

Henri, Jim Allington did a Novi-Ferguson, but I'm not sure if it was in '64, and it probably only appeared in Road & Track. I remember he was agonizing over the sizes of the front v rear wheels and tyres, until I plucked up the courage to say that, surely, they would be the same. He slapped his forehead and drew them the same - whether that was correct or not I don't know, but it looked OK! In those days the amount of photographic reference varied, depending on what David Phipps - invariably - could get for him.


This one?
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Posted 16 June 2009 - 18:23

I remember he was agonizing over the sizes of the front v rear wheels and tyres, until I plucked up the courage to say that, surely, they would be the same. He slapped his forehead and drew them the same - whether that was correct or not I don't know, but it looked OK!


:up:
Wheels : Dunlop cast magnesium alloy 15 inch 9.37 inch wide rims
Tyres : Dunlop 7.50L -15
even.........................................wait for it .................................the steering wheel was 15 inch diameter and "rubber"covered !


#1779 Tony Matthews

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 18:30

This one?


Ovfi - many thanks, I haven't seen that for years! A nice cutaway of a terrific-looking car, and I stippled the tyres!

Marc - archivist and librarian extraordinary. I would have written 'extraordinary' in French to add a bit of class, but wasn't sure of the spelling! My English spelling is bad enough...

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#1780 macoran

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 19:56

Macoran, you have fixed that brilliantly. It would have taken me hours in photoshop to do that.

I've not seen any in my searches. The closest is the later experimental roadster. http://home.exetel.c...Images/8c45.jpg but that has copyright obscuring it in big letters.


Thanks for the compliment.....now can you get a larger pic of that 8C up here ? Maybe I could do a respray on that !


#1781 macoran

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 22:20

Autocar May 1 1964 , coloured two page spread of the Novi Ferguson.Cutaway by Vic Berris.
Chassis (spaceframe) drawing and drawings of cooling and dry sump lubrication system layout.


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Posted 17 June 2009 - 03:51

Interesting, but my true passion is the Alfa Romeo 2900B. Are there any cutaways in existence of the 1938 Alfa Romeo 2900B Mille Miglia, or of any of the other less exalted 2900B variations? (I guess that includes the type35 racer. I've seen at least one Bimotore drawing here after three nights of reading all the posts.) I know its not a post war racer, but if anyone would know of such .... I think they're probably here.

I've not seen any in my searches. The closest is the later experimental roadster. http://home.exetel.c...Images/8c45.jpg but that has copyright obscuring it in big letters.


That one was by Rens Biesma for Ben Hendriks when Ben was editing/producing the amazing Alfa history publication, Het Klaverblaadje. It was a 2 page spread in #50, and Ben gave me an ~ 11x17 of it that I have somewhere. Rens gave up on his generous work on Alfa history sometime after Ben passed.

Rens' artwork was an important part of explaining how some of the interesting Alfas were engineered.

--Carter

#1783 Henri Greuter

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 06:58

This one?
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This one is new to me. breathtaking! Thanks !



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#1784 Henri Greuter

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 06:59

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This is the one I knew.

Thanks!



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Posted 17 June 2009 - 17:46

It was a 2 page spread in #50, and Ben gave me an ~ 11x17 of it that I have somewhere. Rens gave up on his generous work on Alfa history sometime after Ben passed.
--Carter


Scan it in bits if you can ? We'll stitch it together !


#1786 Bonde

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 18:43

Just popping by...

Marc, I knew you had a big one, but I didn't know it was that BIG!







(erm - your cutaway drawing collection, that is...)

Ibsen, you have some very interesting drawings in your collection there, too! Thanks to both of you for sharing!


The Bettis have certainly been extremely prolific - they must work very quickly to fit it all the assignments in. I'd never seen a Betti B/W line drawing before now - lovely style, too.

I wonder: Rosso's style is very Betti-like - was one the tutor of the other?

Whodathunk when I opened this thread that it would grow to nearly 2000 posts...

#1787 macoran

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 18:52

Marc, I knew you had a big one, but I didn't know it was that BIG!


Actually it is huge !! Anders,
I don't want to show all yet ....
And funny enough every few days it keeps growing !!!














because friends from all over the world keep sending me new stuff as well.

right.....now I'll goangetmecoat !!!!

Edited by macoran, 17 June 2009 - 19:06.


#1788 ibsenop

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 23:14

I wonder: Rosso's style is very Betti-like - was one the tutor of the other?


Walter Brito's style is very Betti-like also.



Lola T70 MkI cutaway by Hatton

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 03:08

Thanks for the compliment.....now can you get a larger pic of that 8C up here ? Maybe I could do a respray on that !


Sadly no, and the site it came from is defunct. I did find the following in a search of my hard drives, but they may have been posted before. I cannot remember all of the cutaways I've seen in this thread!
Most of these below are too small to be useful.

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http://home.exetel.c...s/A3cutaway.jpg Full size image of Montreal above.

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Posted Image Alfa P3

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I hope they are not entirely useless.

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#1790 macoran

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 21:08

Lola T70 MkI cutaway by Hatton

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Ibsen



Penske Lola T70for Mark Donohue’s 1968 USRRC campaign. Cutaway by Clarence LaTourette Car Life magazine Jan 1968
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Walt Hangsen's Mecom Lola T70 for the 1965 USRRC challenge from Sports Car Graphic magazine August 1965 artist unknown
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To you Ibsen for the other two T70s :p

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#1791 macoran

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 21:15

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Not as good as macoran would do.


I am sure I remember that Montreal cutaway from QuattroRuote, I only hope I still have it !
And I am pretty sure it is a Bruno Betti.
Just wondering who would have done the other bronze coloured one.

Don't reap too much praise please ! I may get conceited :rotfl:


#1792 Bonde

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 22:37

Marc,

Praise be given, none the less!

To my eye there is something rather Bill Bennet-like over that Mecom T70.

I love the style of LaTourette, too - very "period".

Can anyone remember whether anyone has posted anything by René and/or Serge Bellu?

#1793 macoran

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 22:53

Another by Clarence LaTourette for you then Anders
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As to the Bellu brothers. I thought I posted Serge's Matra MS80. but I'm not sure so here goes again.
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I'm working on the centre divide of his W196, so that will be in the air soon.
The MS80 isn't one of his most detailed.The W196 on the other hand is a stunner !

As to the Mecom Lola being a Bill Bennett you may be quite right there, after all he did get published quite a bit in SCG

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#1794 ibsenop

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 23:50

More Lola T70 MkI

By Theo Page

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and by James A Allington

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 05:20

As to the Bellu brothers.


Father and son.

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 15:15

Ovfi - many thanks, I haven't seen that for years! A nice cutaway of a terrific-looking car, and I stippled the tyres!

Marc - archivist and librarian extraordinary. I would have written 'extraordinary' in French to add a bit of class, but wasn't sure of the spelling! My English spelling is bad enough...



Tony, Could you please check you PM again?
Thank you,

Henri


#1797 Bonde

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 17:14

'kyou, Marc!

I don´t recall seeing the Bellu MS80 before.

The LaTourette drawing again illustrates the fact that spaceframe cars are very cooperative subjects for cutaways - you can get a lot of detail in simply by removing the bodywork and then ghosting the bodywork in the drawing. I can´t recall whether I've posted the Delta T83 FF2000 in this thread (it's nearly 2000 posts now!), so as an example of a space frame car drawn by an amateur, here it is:

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#1798 Bonde

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 17:15

GIGLEUX,

Which Bellu is the father and which is the son?

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 17:26

Scan it in bits if you can ? We'll stitch it together !


Ok Marc--

I just sent full size scans of Rens' cutaway directly to you. I'm afraid to post
one of Fusi's simple Alfa 163 cutaway drawings for fear of stirring Ricart
frenzy. It shares the same kind of inadequate ladder frame as that wonderful
Auto Union sports car cutaway recently posted here, and has a flat 16 engine.
The car wasn't quite completed but the factory drawings had assigned part
numbers. One interesting thing is that Rens drew 3/4 solids from Fusi's cutaways,
reversing the process.

--Carter


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#1800 GIGLEUX

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 18:19

GIGLEUX,

Which Bellu is the father and which is the son?

René is the father.