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#2251 bradbury west

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 10:56

Looking for something else I came across this site. Check the cutaways and the photos; click on the images and click again for larger views.
http://www.flightglo...os/default.aspx
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#2252 Tony Matthews

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 12:16

Thanks Roger - what a great site!

#2253 elno

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 12:16

thanks Tony

beautiful and very impressive at the same time

#2254 Tony Matthews

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 16:41

thanks Tony

beautiful and very impressive at the same time

Thank you elno - I take it you are referring to me...you should add 'modest'!

#2255 elno

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 17:02

:lol:

#2256 macoran

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 19:40

Vic Berris' Honda S800
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and it's chassis frame
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Edited by macoran, 26 August 2009 - 19:44.


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Posted 26 August 2009 - 19:45

you should add 'modest'!


 ;) Ah yes, now that you mention it............

#2258 Tony Matthews

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 19:56

I must say that I like Vic Berris' work, it always looks right, and accurate - so if you were rebuilding the car you could rely on the cutaway for info.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 00:11

Daytona 935,

These are the only Porsche 908-3 I have.

Porsche 908-3 1970 Targa Florio by Giorgio Alisi (new on the Cutawayland)

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Ibsen

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#2260 Tony Matthews

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 08:31

Porsche 908-3 1970 Targa Florio by Giorgio Alisi (new on the Cutawayland)

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Ibsen


Nice graphics. Not a lot of detail, but perhaps Giorgio Alisi (neat signature!) didn't have much to work with. The detail stuff on page 2 is great - I did a couple of renderings on coloured paper, it makes a change, and you can use white very effectively as a high-light.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 10:43

Porsche 959
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#2262 Daytona 935

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 12:42

:wave: Grazzie mille , merci beaucoup , thanks a lot IBSEN.

It's not just a "cutaway" that you offered tp my eyes , but like said Tony , it's a very special one due to the graphical treatment of the subject.
Colored paper (or monochrome backward) is more often used for artistical rendering , and like this technique very much. ( Miles away from the cutaway scene , Guy Allen is one of my favorite in this category :) )

I like how mr Alisi focused on the main thing about the 908/3 in the 1st image.... : the tube frame , a piece of art itself. One among other 908s chassis , plus the 906s , 910s , 917s.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 14:34

Porsche 956 and some next by Yoshihiro Inomoto

http://www.khulsey.c...ro_inomoto.html

Edited by darky, 27 August 2009 - 15:13.


#2264 Tony Matthews

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 14:54

Porsche 956 by Yoshihiro Inomoto

darky, I hope you know about copyright...

#2265 bradbury west

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 14:59

Having an interest, don't ask, in horizontal springing, as a non-engineer I am fascinated by the rear spring layout of the 956. Apart from having shorter rods in the dampers and a much more disciplined form in the link assembly starting from higher pickup points, it is almost a mirror of the Bugatti T251 of legend IIRC, (I know that had solid axle). Roger Lund

Edited by bradbury west, 27 August 2009 - 15:06.


#2266 Tony Matthews

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 15:04

I think most Group 'C' type cars had that rear spring layout, Roger, as otherwise they compromised the tunnels.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 15:17

darky, I hope you know about copyright...


Very sorry. I edited my previous post. I believe now it's OK. ( In fact I noticed copyright warning until after your reply. )

Edited by darky, 27 August 2009 - 15:33.


#2268 bradbury west

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 15:23

Tony, perhaps I dissemble a little too much. I understand more than I admit, certainly the packaging if not all of the geometry and loadings etc. Inter alia I studied closely the similar layout on the DTM Merc at the FoS a couple of years ago . I just "like" the sad old T251 as a lost cause, someone has to. BTW I was told by someone who should know these things at the Bugatti Trust, that much of Colombo's design was modified/butchered by son-of-Bugatti wanting to stamp his authority, coupled with money drying up, which was the reason why Colombo left with the car unfinished. Original drawings are reputed to exist. Sadly I have never seen a good photo of the original front suspension of the T251, with de Dion and cross-linked dampers
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#2269 elno

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 15:44

As Roger talks about T251, i would know if one of you have a cutaway of this car ... i think it is impossible .
if i am wrong i would be as surprised as happy ...

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 16:03

Skoda 733 Spyder II by Vaclav Kral

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#2271 bradbury west

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 16:45

T251, iif i am wrong i would be as surprised as happy ...


You and I both
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#2272 Tony Matthews

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 17:41

Tony, perhaps I dissemble a little too much. I understand more than I admit, certainly the packaging if not all of the geometry and loadings etc.

Sorry Roger, I wasn't trying to lecture, but I wasn't sure if you knew that it was common practice at that time. I'm sure you understand more than I do. :)

#2273 elno

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 18:16

A cutaway of F189, from a Tamiya top box again;
I concede these drawings are poor in details, but what a style, isn't it ?
(to say nothing of the purity of f189's lines)

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(probably realized by Gavin Mcleod ?)

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 18:22

A cutaway of F189, from a Tamiya top box again;
I concede these drawings are poor in details, but what a style, isn't it ?
(to say nothing of the purity of f189's lines)

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(probably realized by Gavin Mcleod ?)


A bit of an odd view as it doesn't really show very much.

Nicely done though. Very narrow ellipses on the wheels etc. which aren't always easy to make look realistic.

Edited by alansart, 28 August 2009 - 06:55.


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Posted 27 August 2009 - 20:12

Another very good Berris cutaway to enjoy............his Lamborghini Espada
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and it's chassis platform
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Edited by macoran, 27 August 2009 - 20:15.


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Posted 27 August 2009 - 20:32

Ahh, Espada... One of my all time favourites. I still can't believe how they've maganed to put that monster engine under such incredible low bonnet, without putting no bump on it whatsoever. And the shape is just timeless. Too bad that Lambo doesn't do fourseaters anymore.


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Posted 27 August 2009 - 22:45

....and of course his Ferrari 158.
I think this is the " Aero" which is being discussed about in a separate thread, so I'll post it there as well
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#2278 Tony Matthews

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 23:28

A cutaway of F189, from a Tamiya top box again;
I concede these drawings are poor in details, but what a style, isn't it ?
(to say nothing of the purity of f189's lines)

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(probably realized by Gavin Mcleod ?)

A beautiful car, probably the best looking F1 car of the 'wing' period. Not by Gavin McLeod though, a Japanese illustrator...

#2279 ibsenop

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 00:26

The Ferrari F189 seems to me a cutaway by Hideo Mizokawa
like this Mclaren MP4-5B


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#2280 elno

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 10:07

Tony, Ibsen Thanks to correct me,
and sorry for my misunderstanding about Mcleod's work.

#2281 Tony Matthews

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 10:17

No need to apologise, elno, none of us knows everything, not even me, and as you know I am beautiful, very impressive, modest and knowledgeable.

By the way, the Lotus Esprit Turbo was drawn by Andrew Dibben, who worked for Lotus Cars under Tony Divey and then took over after he left. I spoke to him a couple of days ago, but he is not particularly interested in cutaways now. Does some nice landscapes though...

Edited by Tony Matthews, 28 August 2009 - 10:18.


#2282 elno

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 15:04

a cutaway of 85's world champion mc laren

No signature.

(from cover of the french edition of Sal Incandela's book titled "F1 Anatomy and development")

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 17:47

Interesting double caliper system.

#2284 Tony Matthews

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 18:23

Interesting double caliper system.

It ws a phase that design engineers went through...

#2285 macoran

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 20:24

a cutaway of 85's world champion mc laren

No signature.

(from cover of the french edition of Sal Incandela's book titled "F1 Anatomy and development")

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My bet goes to Tech Art

#2286 Tony Matthews

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 20:30

My bet goes to Tech Art

I'm not sure, Marc. Who was that French geezer that did all those F3000 cars, often on a 'mirror' base? Could be one of his...

#2287 macoran

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 21:16

Bruno Betti already did an MP4/5B
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Tech Art an MP4/2
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et le geezer Français Jean Jacques François
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Antoine Mathieu ! tu me confuse !!
Allez ! tous est possible.

Edit to solve a diacritic problem, couldn't find the ancillary glyph

Edited by macoran, 28 August 2009 - 21:32.


#2288 elno

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 21:21

the caption was "Marlboro document"

The translation and the adaptation of the original edition (i.e., english one)
was realized by the journalist Gerard Crombac who was a absolute fan of English teams (notably lotus and mc laren)
It is funny to note that, on the original (english) cover, there was a renault f1 car, and
I wonder myself if he didn't like it at all and replace it by the 85 championship winner mclaren...

(actually, i have to admit that the choice of the cover's drawing depends more probably on the publication year, 1982 for the original one and 1986 for the french edition)

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#2289 elno

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 21:24

OOOHHH :eek:

we can speak french on this topic !!!

and nobody have told me this very important point !!! :cool:

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 21:37

Allez ! tous est possible. Antoine Mathieu ! tu me confuse !!

Oui, c'est moi, Antoine de Mathieu, s'il vous plait, Legion d'Honeur et Crois de Guerre, Beaufort, Prince de Gruyere, avec la tete la meme de la Mondiale, je suis fatigue et j'ais besoine de beacoup du vin rouge! Garcon! Ooo! Hello darling, didn't hear you come in...

Edited by Tony Matthews, 28 August 2009 - 21:38.


#2291 Daytona 935

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 21:40

Marc tu t'es trompé mon cher , ce n'est pas Antoine Mathieu , mais Toine* Mathieux qu'il eu fallu traduire , car il y a bel et bien un "s" a la fin du nom du vénérable maître de ces lieux.

Mais j'ai beaucoup ri tout de même !

* Oui , oui , chez nous aussi cela se dit comme ça :)

Quand a vous cher Noel , songeriez vous a créer une sous-section avec option batracien 1ere langue ? :cool:

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 21:45

Ha zut , j'ai raté de peu la réplique de Toine...!

Sorry madame Mathieu , please don't think that this empty bottle on Toine's desk is anything else but a special red-ink , for a new project about some Italian car.

Hurry Toine , go eat 3 or 4 oignons , the smell would discourage madame to check your breath closer !

#2293 Tony Matthews

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 21:45

I have just changed my name to Toine Mathieux, Spinster of this Parish. Please contact me via Miss Gwendolyn Syrup.

#2294 Tony Matthews

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 21:48

Now look what you've started, Marc - I'm out of my depth, dans la mere d'ignorance!

#2295 macoran

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 21:58

mais Toine* Mathieux qu'il eu fallu traduire , car il y a bel et bien un "s" a la fin du nom du vénérable maître de ces lieux.


tu a raison, jái a pensee a ça bien sur, mais bon Matthews c'est un nom, c'est pas un pluriele et pour c'est raison j'ai a laisee tombee la X

#2296 elno

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 22:09

Merci Messieurs, je me suis bien poilé ...

(don't try to translate this sentence, even with your collins in 25 volumes ... it is some slang spoken uniquely in the little ruelle near the train station of Bagneres de Bigorre... sorry guys ;) )

@Daytona 935: demasqué le elno !! Je salue votre sagacité, cher ami!

nous sommes nous deja fréquenté sur la blogosphere ?


#2297 macoran

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 22:24

Now look what you've started, Marc -

when the real persecution starts.the whippings. the lashings, the stoning I'll blame Anders , he started the thread!

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 22:28

nous sommes nous deja fréquenté sur la blogosphere ?


Je ne crois pas , mais nos lectures se sont probablement déjà croisées sur quel-qu'autre forum traitant de la chose automobile en général , sportive , bruyante et colorée en particulier.
Je suis bien trop volage pour m'enraciner sur un sujet " fixe " , aussi passionnant soit-il.

Mais je dois bien reconnaitre que messieurs Toine ( le véritable amateur de polyphénols ) , IBSEN ( l'artiste discret ) et Marc ( le rouleur de nuit ) ont réussi a me faire inscrire ici-bas afin de leur témoigner toute ma reconnaissance et mon admiration.

Par ailleurs le côté " auberge espagnole a la sauce worcestershire" de ce topic me plait beaucoup , et j'aurais plaisir a vous y retrouver encore longtemps je l'espère.

Period closed gentlemens , now i need to find a beautifull cutaway to thank you all for this refreshing moment.

Edited by Daytona 935, 28 August 2009 - 22:29.


#2299 macoran

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 22:56

et Marc ( le rouleur de nuit )


je viens changer ma signature !!

Edited by macoran, 28 August 2009 - 22:58.


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Posted 28 August 2009 - 23:03

Alors bonne route cher ami , pour moi c'est......straight to bed , right now ! ;)

Edited by Daytona 935, 28 August 2009 - 23:03.