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#2501 elno

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 20:37

(oops, correction: obviously, replace "thanks to lotus" by "thanks for lotus" )

oh yes, i understand Marc...

it is strange, now when i look at the image, i have not more the impression that major axis are vertical ...
but ... but ... where are the minor axis ? i can't see it anymore . ... is it the twilight zone, here ?? :stoned: :drunk:

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#2502 Tony Matthews

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 20:59

What you have to look for, elno, is the vertical perspective. The vertical lines in the centre of the illustration must be vertical on the page. If you look at the rear end of the monocoque, and the LH radiator, they are not far from vertical, so I think it is printed more or less as Vic Berris drew it. I can't see anything wrong with the wheels...

It is very frustrating when an illustration is printed in the wrong orientation, and can look very wrong!

#2503 elno

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 22:07

ok, Tony, Merci !

Edited by elno, 25 September 2009 - 22:14.


#2504 ibsenop

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Posted 26 September 2009 - 17:41

1907 Fiat Grand Prix by Giulio Betti

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History and pictures here -> http://www.bigscalem.../fiat_1907.html

Ibsen

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#2505 ibsenop

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 14:53

1927 Fiat Grand Prix by Giulio Betti

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History and pictures here -> http://www.bigscalem...06_bordino.html

1924 Fiat Mefistofele by Bruno Betti

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21.706 litre six-cylinder A-12 Bis Fiat airship engine - 1924 Wold record of speed at 146.01 mph over the flying kilometre.

History and pictures here -> http://www.bigscalem...istopheles.html

Ibsen

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#2506 Tony Matthews

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 16:37

Two very nice cutaways, Ibsen. Bruno Betti always gets his red cars to look so red! However, I'm not sure I'd want to drive the Mefistofele with so much slack in the drive chain! Perhaps that's how it always was...

#2507 DOHC

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 17:15

Wasn't that the car with the 25 liter aero engine?

#2508 Henri Greuter

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 07:43

Elno, I think Vic Berris drew the 79 nose-down, and that the magazine peeps printed it nose-up.
I base my nose-down theory on the stance of Vic's signature, I think it to be a right-handed signature, and it looks
incorrectly angled . But, people with more knowledge than me may be able to give a more definite conclusion.
I'll just add that this is only the second cutaway I have seen by Vic with a signature, rather than his name in "printed capital letters".

I just walked past the mirror in the hall, and looking into the realms of cutawayland, I think I saw Jon getting his scanner ready.




Macoran,

Maybe you remember that a few weeks (and pages in this thread) ago we mentioned the existence of a cutaway of the March 89CE-Alfa Romeo.
I pointed out back then that I knew it was part of the press kit but didn't have one of those.

By now, I finally managed to get a scan of a 89CE cutaway, a color one no less, I didn't know that that one existed too.

Point is: I don't know, nor have time/abilities to put images on the Internet. I am just about helpless with Internet.

But: if you pm me your email address I wil forward you the image and then to you the honor to put it in this thread, apart from adding it to your collection.
Is that an acceptable deal to you?


Henri

Edited by Henri Greuter, 30 September 2009 - 07:43.


#2509 macoran

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 16:00

Macoran,

Maybe you remember that a few weeks (and pages in this thread) ago we mentioned the existence of a cutaway of the March 89CE-Alfa Romeo.
I pointed out back then that I knew it was part of the press kit but didn't have one of those.

By now, I finally managed to get a scan of a 89CE cutaway, a color one no less, I didn't know that that one existed too.

Point is: I don't know, nor have time/abilities to put images on the Internet. I am just about helpless with Internet.

But: if you pm me your email address I wil forward you the image and then to you the honor to put it in this thread, apart from adding it to your collection.
Is that an acceptable deal to you?


Henri

Deal :up:

#2510 Cam2InfoNeeded

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 19:35

Hello again,

I just posted up this diagram over on my my thread (Need 917/30 photos- Cam2 or Otis Chandler's car). If you are interested, there is a more elaborate posting there.

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I am NOT an artist, or draftsman, and not sure if it should even be posted in this thread, but it is something I did my best on. It is my best rendering of what sort of changes will be needed to begin their model conversion of the 1/18 Exoto Cam2 car into a proper representation of the real car. I enjoy doing this sort of thing, but realize it is not in the league of the REAL artists who have been shown on this site.

I'll shamelessly ask again for any help on good photos of the intercoolers so I can "draw" up a set of plans to recreate those next. Thanks.

doug



#2511 macoran

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 21:16

Very interesting sketches, thank you Marc !

the interview seems interesting too; i am going to see if i can find it by means of internet;
I see on the image that this article have been published in the "automobile historique" magazine
the first issue of this magazine was published at the beginning of 2000 and the last at the end of 2005.
have you some more information about this article which help me to find the right issue from which it was published ?

Here they are !!
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#2512 ibsenop

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 22:36

More Fiat cutaways

Fiat Ballila 1934 by Giulio Betti

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Fiat 500 Topolino 1936 by Bruno Betti

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and Fiat 600 1955 by Giulio Betti

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Ibsen




#2513 macoran

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 23:00

Brilliant Ibsen !!! Are they from a book dedicated to FIAT ?

#2514 ibsenop

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 02:11

Marc, they are from "Enciclopédia do Automável" - eigth books - several cutaways, mostly by Bruno and Giulio Betti and Franco Rosso.

While we are on rallying jobs, here is Betti's 131 Abarth
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Fiat 131 Abarth - no signature

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Fiat 131 Abarth by Bruno Betti

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Fiat 131 Abarth Maratona by Franco Rosso

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Ibsen

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 05:22

Here they are !!
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WOW nice picts. :clap:
Macoran, please, can you scan Lotus 23 on page 45 in higher resolution?

#2516 macoran

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 18:39

Macoran,

Maybe you remember that a few weeks (and pages in this thread) ago we mentioned the existence of a cutaway of the March 89CE-Alfa Romeo.
I pointed out back then that I knew it was part of the press kit but didn't have one of those.

By now, I finally managed to get a scan of a 89CE cutaway, a color one no less, I didn't know that that one existed too.

Point is: I don't know, nor have time/abilities to put images on the Internet. I am just about helpless with Internet.

But: if you pm me your email address I wil forward you the image and then to you the honor to put it in this thread, apart from adding it to your collection.
Is that an acceptable deal to you?


Henri

Thanks for the scan Henri, a valued addition to our collection.
I remember us discussing it, and especially Tony remembering he had seen it somewhere.
Now we can all enjoy :up:
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Doesn't it somehow look way too lengthy behind the cockpit,


Hint to all who have something to post, mail it to one of us fanatics, we'll always help to put it in the air !

Edited by macoran, 01 October 2009 - 19:05.


#2517 macoran

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 19:03

Macoran, please, can you scan Lotus 23 on page 45 in higher resolution?

I do not have the whole magazine. I bought this article from a "clipper" at a "motoring market".

#2518 Robin Fairservice

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 19:08

A couple of cut aways from 1975 and 1976 Road & Tracks:

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How can I post these as full size and not thumb nails?

#2519 macoran

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 19:39

A couple of cut aways from 1975 and 1976 Road & Tracks:

How can I post these as full size and not thumb nails?


Somehow I can only manage thumbnails

What I do know is that I'd love some good scans of that Alfa Robin !
You might still have me @ e-mail

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 20:29


I've seen that light-weight Jag cutaway before - it's taped to the wall of my workshop!
Been up there ten years ?


WOW nice picts. :clap:
Macoran, please, can you scan Lotus 23 on page 45 in higher resolution?



#2521 macoran

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 20:40

Here they are !!
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For your info the Renault F1 has been spliced and posted many many posts ago, I am working on the Tyrrell DG014 but there is is 8mm of material missing between the two pages !!!


#2522 macoran

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 20:40

Here they are !!
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For your info the Renault F1 has been spliced and posted many many posts ago, I am working on the Tyrrell but there is is 8mm of material missing between the two pages !!!

Edited by macoran, 01 October 2009 - 20:42.


#2523 Tim Murray

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 20:43

How can I post these as full size and not thumb nails?

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I did this by removing "th." (for thumbnail) from each of the URLs. When processing the photos with Imageshack you need to select the option that reads (something like) 'Hot link for forums' and they should come out full-size. :)

#2524 Tony Matthews

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 21:22

Never see them before, I didn't know they had been reprinted after Motor Sport... Ho hum.

#2525 Cam2InfoNeeded

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 22:10

Hello again!

I'm just 100 pages short of at least quickly looking at the titles of all 524 pages on the nostalgia site here. I've found lots of interesting and obscure things I never knew about, but found when I hit around 350 and up, a most of the images that individuals had posted in the replies are not showing up, and most of the links to other websites come up as no longer working. I will still finish off the last 100 pages, because I'm sure some great new info will still pop up.

I'm so glad I found this site!

doug

#2526 ibsenop

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 22:51

WOW nice picts. :clap:
Macoran, please, can you scan Lotus 23 on page 45 in higher resolution?


I'm not Marcoran but I hope this help you. This cutaway is only 7,5x5cm. Not so good when enlarged.

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From Automobile Historique nº 13 - Mars 2002

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Ibsen

#2527 Robin Fairservice

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 22:56

Thanks Tim - now they are enormous!

#2528 Robin Fairservice

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 23:04

What I do know is that I'd love some good scans of that Alfa Robin !
You might still have me @ e-mail

Will do left and right sides as before.

#2529 macoran

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 23:09

Will do left and right sides as before.

:up:

Meanwhile, all enjoy the F1 4wheel drives

Brian Hatton BRM 4WD P..
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James Allington Ferguson P99
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Brian Hatton Cosworth 4WD
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John Hostler Cosworth 4WD
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Cosworth 4WD drivetrain highlight by A.N.Other or Klaus Unbekannt
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Brian Hatton Lotus 63
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Brian Hatton Matra MS84
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London Art Tech Matra MS84
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London Art Tech Lotus 63
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Bruno Betti Lotus 63
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Robert Roux Matra MS84 running gear highlight
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Brian Hatton McLaren M9A
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I hope someone can add.........

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#2530 ibsenop

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 23:24

Robert Roux Matra MS84

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Ibsen

#2531 macoran

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 23:30

Robert Roux Matra MS84

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Ibsen

:p I knew you would !!! :up:

#2532 Cam2InfoNeeded

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 23:45

I used to have a Porsche book which had the blueprints for the 917/10 CanAm car (they were reduced a lot to fit into the small-ish book however). I went though all of the pages of this thread, and didn't see it (of course, I might have overlooked it). I saw it again while Googgling, on the Pelican Parts website, but when I tried to access it, it didn't come up.

Does anyone have a nice copy of this drawing (it seems like it should be must fro any Porsche fan)?

Thanks

doug

#2533 macoran

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 00:20

Will do left and right sides as before.

Sorry it's a thumbnail Robin
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#2534 Tony Matthews

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 06:30

London Art Tech Matra MS84
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London Art Tech Lotus 63
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Both by Andrew Brown, my immediate predecessor at LAT.

#2535 darky

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 07:16

I'm not Marcoran but I hope this help you. This cutaway is only 7,5x5cm. Not so good when enlarged.

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From Automobile Historique nº 13 - Mars 2002

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Ibsen


Thanx Ibsen.


#2536 helioseism

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 02:04

This could be interesting:

Art of the Cutaway Car
by David Kimbel (Author), Chris Endres (Author)
Price: £25.00
# Hardcover: 176 pages
# Publisher: Motorbooks International (1 Mar 2010)
# ISBN-10: 0760337764
# ISBN-13: 978-0760337769
Showcasing the inherent beauty and engineering brilliance of F1 race cars, this book highlights these magnificent machines as the works of art they are. The specially commissioned studio photographs capture the mix of competition, creativity, aggression, human ingenuity, technological advances, and painstaking detail in each model shown. Coupled with a history and technical profile written by noted F1 journalist Stuart Codling, and commentary from award-winning designer Gordon Murray, this book is the ultimate homage to the ultimate in race cars.
Link

Note: the description seems to be actually for another book: Link

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#2537 macoran

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 11:20

Both by Andrew Brown, my immediate predecessor at LAT.

:up: Thanks for the name

#2538 macoran

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 11:22

This could be interesting:

Art of the Cutaway Car
by David Kimbel (Author), Chris Endres (Author)
Price: £25.00
# Hardcover: 176 pages
# Publisher: Motorbooks International (1 Mar 2010)
# ISBN-10: 0760337764
# ISBN-13: 978-0760337769
Showcasing the inherent beauty and engineering brilliance of F1 race cars, this book highlights these magnificent machines as the works of art they are. The specially commissioned studio photographs capture the mix of competition, creativity, aggression, human ingenuity, technological advances, and painstaking detail in each model shown. Coupled with a history and technical profile written by noted F1 journalist Stuart Codling, and commentary from award-winning designer Gordon Murray, this book is the ultimate homage to the ultimate in race cars.
Link

Note: the description seems to be actually for another book: Link

:up: Thanks for the info, must into that

#2539 ibsenop

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 16:27

More Fiat Cutaways

1899 Fiat 3.5 HP by Giulio Betti

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1915 Fiat Zero by Bruno Betti

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1921 Superfiat by Bruno Betti

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and 1925 Fiat 501 2 Serie by Bruno Betti

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Ibsen

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#2540 macoran

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 23:01

Very good material Ibsen !!
Surely that magazine...or encyclopedia of automobiles... must have been sponsored by FIAT ?

#2541 ibsenop

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 23:26

Not sponsored by Fiat. I think it is a (circa 1975) brazilian translation and adaptation of an italian enciclopedia. No reference about that. Most photos and drawings have Quattroruote credit.
Brazilian cutaways by Walter Brito.

Ibsen

Edited by ibsenop, 04 October 2009 - 23:28.


#2542 macoran

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 23:38

Not sponsored by Fiat. I think it is a (circa 1975) brazilian translation and adaptation of an italian enciclopedia. No reference about that. Most photos and drawings have Quattroruote credit.
Brazilian cutaways by Walter Brito.

Ibsen

OK, hope you can show more of Brito's work as I think he is relatively/almost unknown in Europe.
Meanwhile I dug up these:
Vic Berris’ Ferrari 512S
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His rendering of the engine
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Bruno Betti's 512S cutaway (which I think has been posted before)
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#2543 macoran

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 23:59

Darn it !!! I am a day late
Happy Birthday Tony !!

#2544 ibsenop

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 00:10

Here is 4th October yet. To me, is not too late!
Happy Birthday Tony.

Marc, The Ferrari 512S and 512 engine cutaways by Vic Berris are fantastic. I have only a low resolution of them. Thanks!

I'm looking for a high resolution Vic Berris' Porsche 907 coupe.

Ibsen

Edited by ibsenop, 05 October 2009 - 00:14.


#2545 ibsenop

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 00:51

Two more Ferrari 512 S cutaways. No signature. (Not good copies, high contrast and missing part)

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Ibsen

#2546 Tony Matthews

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 16:40

His rendering of the engine
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Lovely drawing, yet another I have not seen before!

Thank you very much Marc and Ibsen - every day is a birthday in Cutawayland...

#2547 Daytona 935

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 18:30

Bon anniversaire Maître Toine :wave:

Long live to you and to cutawayland , as a true fine polyphenols' juice amateur , please enjoy a cup of champagne....the bill is for me.

@ Marc , the Vic Berris 512 is a pure beauty , i didn't saw such a pure / fine drawing since a while ! Grazzie mille  ;)

#2548 macoran

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 20:39

Brian Hatton Ferrari 312B
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Posted 05 October 2009 - 23:31

Macoran,

I don't know what you use to scan or photograph your drawings, but they are amazing!

doug

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 05:58

Really nice Ferrari 312B. :up:

Painted Hatton also Lotus 56?