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#2701 carvad

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 21:42

Ferrari Enzo from owners manual. Artist is unknown
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#2702 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 21:51

Here is Cooper Twini Mini prototype from 1963
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A certain G Marshall owned a standard Twini that he had converted to Cooper engines - great to see what it might have looked like; thank you. :clap:

#2703 Tony Matthews

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 21:56

Ferrari Enzo from owners manual. Artist is unknown
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I was in discussion with Ferrari about doing a cutaway of the Enzo, after I had done the F300 and F2000, but couldn't do a deal. Pity...

#2704 macoran

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 22:05

Ferrari Enzo from owners manual. Artist is unknown
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Your owner's manual carvad ?

#2705 carvad

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 22:10

Alfa Romeo Canguro. Help with artist name
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#2706 macoran

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 22:10

my DB3S!


Ah so you still have one up your sleeve Tony ?

#2707 carvad

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 22:12

Your owner's manual carvad ?


No, macoran, it is convert from pdf-file. I haven't Ferrari Enzo :)

#2708 macoran

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 22:15

(Minimarc?)


Grandson, his name is Diëgo and he will be 6 soon

#2709 carvad

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 22:19

Ferrari 312P '1969
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#2710 carvad

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 22:31

Here is Ferrari GTO '1962
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Please, help with artist name. May be is he Jiro Yamada? Very similar to the next Yamada's cutaway:
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#2711 carvad

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 22:45

Betti's Lancia Delta HF 4 WD Gruppe A
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#2712 ibsenop

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 23:02

Ferrari 312P '1969
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Carvad, the artist is Vittorio Dal Basso

Post 2687 - TNF Cutaway and its artist Index - Update to page 60

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#2713 Tony Matthews

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 23:41

No, macoran, it is convert from pdf-file. I haven't Ferrari Enzo :)

I don't believe him Marc!

#2714 Tony Matthews

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 23:42

Here is Ferrari GTO '1962
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Please, help with artist name. May be is he Jiro Yamada? Very similar to the next Yamada's cutaway:
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The colour cutaway is by me, carvad, the B&W is a poor copy! I say 'copy' because there are so many areas that are the same...

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 00:03

Alfa Romeo Canguro. Help with artist name
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Makato Ouchi

#2716 macoran

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 00:17

Please, help with artist name. May be is he Jiro Yamada? Very similar to the next Yamada's cutaway:
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But I think it says "by Shin Yoshikawa"

#2717 carvad

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 06:01

But I think it says "by Shin Yoshikawa"


Of course, I was referring Shin Yoshikawa.

#2718 carvad

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 06:06

The colour cutaway is by me, carvad, the B&W is a poor copy! I say 'copy' because there are so many areas that are the same...



it's very interest moment...
Tony, can you post your's Ferrari 250 GTO cutaway with signature?

Edited by carvad, 03 November 2009 - 07:46.


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Posted 03 November 2009 - 06:39

Time for the revealing - I worked for Dave Kimble for close to 20 years having recently left because working the 'old-school' method as Dave does, it wasn't practical anymore.
The "Blue Devil Corvette was actually one of the last projects I was involved with, doing the inking of the draft drawing. The inking was done on 3 mil drafting film using mostly a 0.18mm(4X 0000) Rapidograph plus a 0.12mm(6X 0000) for the tiny bits. The inking, size 24" X 36" is then contact printed to a same size (100%), litho film positive. The film pos is sent to Dave and becomes the actual canvas that he paints on using gouche through a "B' size airbrush (except for large surface areas). The painting is 100% airbrushed. Tiny graphics are inked out separately and turned into color rub-down decals called chromatecs. All very labor-intensive and costly.

I haven't talked with Dave for some time but assume he is still working using his same methods.

If anyone is curious about more detail about the method, I will pleased to elaborate further.


hello, I am an illustrator interested in using some of these cutaway techniques. May you please elaborate further on the process that you have been kind to reveal above?

When you say drafting film, do you mean mylar or transparent acetate? I am assuming all of this support/base sheet is a transparent, therefore, acetate film.

And are both sides of the acetate used for image creation? How many layers of acetate are used? Is it just one sheet? Or several aligned, with registration marks?

many thanks




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#2720 carvad

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 08:38

Corvettes by Devid Kimble:


Corvette C6R
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Corvette C6 Coupe
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Corvette C6 Convertible
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Corvette Z06
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#2721 carvad

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 08:42

Dodge Viper SRT10 by David Kimble
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#2722 carvad

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 08:44

Opel GT by Giulio Betti
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#2723 Tony Matthews

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 08:47

I hope you know what you are doing, carvad, don't forget copyright...or permission.

Edited by Tony Matthews, 03 November 2009 - 08:47.


#2724 carvad

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 08:47

Mazda RX7 by unknown artist
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#2725 carvad

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 08:52

I hope you know what you are doing, carvad, don't forget copyright...or permission.


I dont't forget copyright that is way I call the name of the artist. But, of course, I can stop share my collection :)...

Edited by carvad, 03 November 2009 - 08:54.


#2726 Tony Matthews

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 09:28

Mazda RX7 by unknown artist
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Inomoto, I think.

#2727 Phigr7

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 09:45

Hi ,

I am looking for drawings of CanAm cars (McLaren M8D, M8F, BRM P154, P167, Autocoast ti22, Ferrari 712M 1971, Lola t220, t260, Porsche 917 PA 1969, 917/10 1971, March 707, 717, Shadow 1970, 1971).
André Acker.

Andre, you'll find plans of Can-Am (& many other) cars at http://www.vsrnonlin.../MC_Plans_2.htm :)


#2728 Tony Matthews

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 09:50

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I can't find a print or trannie of the colour cutaway of the DB3S, so here's a bit of the working drawing.

Edited by Tony Matthews, 03 November 2009 - 09:53.


#2729 Tom Johnson

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 18:00

hello, I am an illustrator interested in using some of these cutaway techniques. May you please elaborate further on the process that you have been kind to reveal above?

When you say drafting film, do you mean mylar or transparent acetate? I am assuming all of this support/base sheet is a transparent, therefore, acetate film.

And are both sides of the acetate used for image creation? How many layers of acetate are used? Is it just one sheet? Or several aligned, with registration marks?

many thanks


The drawing begins with a 3-mil, frosted sheet of mylar drafting film taped onto a sheet of foam core board. The foam core board allows the drawing to be moved as necessary for best access to the area being worked on. The mylar surface responds extremely well to pencil. I use .3mm 2H and 4H lead in a mechanical pencil. The first layer of mylar is only used to draw the perpective grid for the subject. Once it is complete and registration marks are added, a new sheet of mylar is taped over it and the actual drawing begins.

When the draft drawing is complete, a new sheet of the same type of mylar is taped over it and an inking is made using a 0.18mm Rapidograph. ( 0.12mm for tiny bits)

Next it's off to printer to have a litho film-positive produced. You must specify that the finished piece of film is made as clear as possible since it will become the medium for the painting. At times, I've had to have two or three films made before getting an acceptable one.

The film is now flipped over (wrong reading) and taped onto a fresh piece of foam core board and the airbrushing begins using gouche. The advantage of the film is that if a mistake is made, it can simply be washed away with a paper towell and a touch of saliva. This process can can repeated over and over without anyone ever knowing you messed up. Generally, the basic painting is all done on the back side. When it is near complete, the film is flipped back to the front and fine tuning begins. Color and value adjustments are made without disturbing the core painting on the back side.

Additional layers of film can be added as overlay paintings as needed. For example, graphics, color schemes or component parts such as different engine covers.

Hope this helps.




#2730 Tony Matthews

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 18:51

The advantage of the film is that if a mistake is made, it can simply be washed away with a paper towell and a touch of saliva.

Good description Tom, but still not a method I could have taken to easily! However, the common link is spit! I used cotton buds and saliva to erase ink errors on the drafting film working drawings, having found very early that an eraser doesn't do the job nearly so well. A large correction could give you a raging thirst. Good excuse for a beer.

I used to get sideways glances when I was cruising the Mother-and-Baby aisles at 'Boots the Chemist', looking for bargain tubs of cotton buds. How we suffer for our Art...

Edited by Tony Matthews, 04 November 2009 - 09:30.


#2731 Tom Johnson

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 18:57

Good description Tom, but still not a method I could have taken to easily! However, the common link is spit! I used cotton buds and saliva to erase ink errors on the drafting film working drawings, having found very early that an eraser doesn't do the job nearly so well. A large correction could give you a raging thirst. Good excuse for a beer.

I used to get sideways glances when I was cruising the Mother-and-Baby aisles at 'Boots the Chemist', looking for bagain tubs of cotton buds. How we suffer for our Art...


Ummmmmm.....Beeeeer. It is the same catalyst I use to give the painting extra boost.


#2732 Tony Matthews

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 19:13

I think vodka is supposed to be very good for sable hair.

#2733 Tom Johnson

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 19:56

I think vodka is supposed to be very good for sable hair.


Also promotes good, stable hand work for fine-line detail.


#2734 macoran

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 20:58

I wouldn't mind seeing a good scan of the Haynes MGB manual cover
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or...........
an Allington !
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Edited by macoran, 03 November 2009 - 21:05.


#2735 macoran

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 18:34

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Dick Ellis' Ford GT40
I don't think it was posted before this clearly.

Now this where Ibsen's fabulous index will be of great use !!

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 18:47

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I can't find a print or trannie of the colour cutaway of the DB3S, so here's a bit of the working drawing.

WOW what a drawing

#2737 Ivan

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 21:13

WOW what a drawing

You're new here aren't you?
Sit your self down and strap in, Start this thread from page one. :rotfl: :up:

Edited by Ivan, 04 November 2009 - 21:16.


#2738 ibsenop

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 22:15

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Dick Ellis' Ford GT40
I don't think it was posted before this clearly.

Now this where Ibsen's fabulous index will be of great use !!


Mark,
The ford GT40 is "steel monocoque", not the "aircraft-style aluminium monocoque" as said on the text.
Only the Mark IV have "aircraft-style" aluminium honeycomb monocoque.

Post 2687 - TNF Cutaway and its artist Index - Update to page 69 - to this post.

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Edited by ibsenop, 04 November 2009 - 22:17.


#2739 macoran

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 22:45

Mark,
The ford GT40 is "steel monocoque",

Ibsen

Ibsen, are you sure ??

I'll check but I can't recall any 60's monocoque in steel
Maybe there is a confusion with alloy monocoque and the later honeycomb based versions


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#2740 Tony Matthews

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 22:49

Ibsen, are you sure ??

Spot-welded steel. It was steel, and it's still steel.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 23:06

Ibsen, are you sure ??

I'll check but I can't recall any 60's monocoque in steel
Maybe there is a confusion with alloy monocoque and the later honeycomb based versions


Yes, Mark, I'm sure.
All prototype cars , prodution cars, GT40 MkIII chassis, the Allan Mann's cars and the Mirages M1 have "Semi-monocoque 024-029" sheet steel with square tube stiffening".
Only GT/110 have aluminium monocoque. Some of them (GT40 P/1083 for sure, the Allan Mann's cars and others) have the greenhouse (roof structures) made of aluminium to save weight. The Mirages have fibrerglass greenhouses.

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Edited by ibsenop, 04 November 2009 - 23:14.


#2742 Tony Matthews

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 23:12

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Drawing by me.

#2743 macoran

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 23:20

I am convinced ! thanks
It's always good to learn or re-learn.

#2744 macoran

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 23:21

Drawing by me.

Ah, another new artist to add to the list.. ME :p

Edited by macoran, 04 November 2009 - 23:22.


#2745 ibsenop

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 23:29

I know, Tony. Sorry to not give the credits to you.

This credit will be in the TNF cutaway index:

"Ford GT40 Mk I chassis by Tony Matthews - page 69"

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#2746 Tony Matthews

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 23:57

Ah, another new artist to add to the list.. ME :p

:lol:

No worries, Ibsen, I didn't expect you to know the illustrator. Jim and I did all the drawings, Jim did most, as he took the work to France and made a start while he was on holiday at his parents-in-law's mill not far from Le Mans circuit. It was the last job I was involved in at his studio - I left afterwards to seek my fortune... Still seeking!

#2747 Henri Greuter

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 10:09

:lol:

No worries, Ibsen, I didn't expect you to know the illustrator. Jim and I did all the drawings, Jim did most, as he took the work to France and made a start while he was on holiday at his parents-in-law's mill not far from Le Mans circuit. It was the last job I was involved in at his studio - I left afterwards to seek my fortune... Still seeking!




Tony,

I don't know if you found your fortune but thank you for sharing the treasures you found over the years with us and the many race fans worldwide who enjoy your work one way or another,


Henri

#2748 Tony Matthews

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 12:01

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A bit of work for one of our resident cut-and-shut experts, if they feel it's worth the effort!

Edited by Tony Matthews, 05 November 2009 - 12:05.


#2749 Tony Matthews

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 12:40

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Another bit of DB3S...

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 15:57

Drawing? Tony, that is a work of art! :up: