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#3251 ibsenop

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 17:17

Ferrari 312 B3 1973 cutaway by Giorgio Piola

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Ferrari 312 B3 1974 cutaway by Terry Davey

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#3252 Tony Matthews

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 18:10

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I wonder what happens when this flipped scan is placed over the second of Ibsen's Ferrari 312B3's! Actually, is it 312B3 or 312T3? I always thought it was 'T', as in Transversale...

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#3253 macoran

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 21:01

I wonder what happens when this flipped scan is placed over the second of Ibsen's Ferrari 312B3's! Actually, is it 312B3 or 312T3? I always thought it was 'T', as in Transversale...

I see what you mean Tony. It'll need some negative projection, juxtaposing and drawing reversal to get the battery and the gear lever to pop over to the other side, but........
Now consider Paolo d'Alessio's B3
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Re B3 or T3 ,yours and Davey's are both B3 models. The tranversale had hardly any box casing protruding beyond the final drive casing,caliper rear face, let alone having a battery alongside.

I think IIRC

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#3254 macoran

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 21:03

Did anything come of this Marc? I'm guessing no, or we would have heard about it.

Not yet, but I am good at buggering people.
So good I even get sued at times :|

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 21:06

Ferrari 312 B3 1973 cutaway by Giorgio Piola

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Ferrari 312 B3 1974 cutaway by Terry Davey

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1974 312B3 by Piola
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#3256 ibsenop

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 21:16

Ferrari 312 B3 1973-1974 and Ferrari 312 T3 1978

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You can make your conclusion.

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#3257 Tony Matthews

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 21:21

Re B3 or T3 ,yours and Davey's are both B3 models. The tranversale had hardly any box casing protruding beyond the final drive casing,caliper rear face, let alone having a battery alongside.

I think IIRC

You're right Marc, how silly of me.

#3258 ibsenop

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 21:24

To put more gas on the fire...

Ferrari 312 B3 1974 cutaway by Paolo D'Allesio

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#3259 ibsenop

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 21:32

and another B3

Ferrari 312 B3 1973 cutaway by Bruno Betti

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#3260 Tony Matthews

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 21:33

To put more gas on the fire...

Ferrari 312 B3 1974 cutaway by Paolo D'Allesio

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Curiouser and curiouser...

#3261 macoran

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 21:40

To put more gas on the fire...

Ferrari 312 B3 1974 cutaway by Paolo D'Allesio

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:p I had added that one in my post above.....
but now I have a new problem... who the whotsit is Paolo d'Allesio ? :p

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 21:59

Sorry about the above Ibsen, sometimes I just can't resist

Tony, here is your 312T3 scanned from an issue of MotorSport
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Posted 29 December 2009 - 23:08

Betti 312 T2, sorry about the crappy background
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Posted 30 December 2009 - 00:36

Hi, just found this thread and spent most of the day looking at it. I don't think that anybody has shown these yet.

http://www.gurneyfla...la1renault.html

Look at the Renault R26 drawing on this page. (towards the bottom, copyright Renault) I am not sure if I can post a picture or not.

Also some further up on the page of the Renault R25.

#3265 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:41

Look at the Renault R26 drawing on this page. (towards the bottom, copyright Renault) I am not sure if I can post a picture or not.

As it says copyright Renault the answer is no. It's not a cutaway in the strict meaning of the word, but that doesn't matter, I suppose.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 12:48

I am a little confused because in post 3256 on this page there is a drawing with the copyright symbol by Terry Davey and yet it is posted. Is Ibsenop Terry Davey? As we know Terry Davey drew for Haynes manuals, but I do not know if this drawing is from one of those.

Edited by jimimonet, 30 December 2009 - 12:49.


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Posted 30 December 2009 - 12:52

I am a little confused because in post 3256 on this page there is a drawing with the copyright symbol by Terry Davey and yet it is posted. Is Ibsenop Terry Davey? As we know Terry Davey drew for Haynes manuals, but I do not know if this drawing is from one of those.

No, I don't think Haynes ever did a 312B3 manual.

and Ibsen can only be Ibsen !!

#3268 ibsenop

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 13:04

Tony, here is your 312T3 scanned from an issue of MotorSport
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Marc, this is the Ferrari 312 T 1975.

Here a cutaway of the Ferrari 312 T3 1978 by Bruno Betti. Have to remove the background and try to fill the gap.

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#3269 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 13:06

I am a little confused because in post 3256 on this page there is a drawing with the copyright symbol by Terry Davey and yet it is posted. Is Ibsenop Terry Davey? As we know Terry Davey drew for Haynes manuals, but I do not know if this drawing is from one of those.

Both macoran and ibsenop operate from behind bars - imprisoned for copyright offences. They are allowed internet access because of good behaviour and bribery, so they are able to continue their criminal activities, spreading their evil net throughout the known world and beyond. Only you, 'jimimonet', the young masked hero, can counter their wickedness by refusing to post copyrighted material. Or not.

Edited by Tony Matthews, 30 December 2009 - 13:08.


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Posted 30 December 2009 - 13:25

I did think it was best to ask first. However, I am not so young. Anyway, I know this has been said a thousand times but thank you for posting such wonderful examples of your work for us to enjoy.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 13:27

Both macoran and ibsenop operate from behind bars - imprisoned for copyright offences. They are allowed internet access because of good behaviour and bribery, so they are able to continue their criminal activities, spreading their evil net throughout the known world and beyond.

I always wondered how you found me out !

#3272 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 13:35

I did think it was best to ask first. However, I am not so young. Anyway, I know this has been said a thousand times but thank you for posting such wonderful examples of your work for us to enjoy.

Ah, the The Not-so-young Masked Hero! I must admit that I'm not absolutely sure what we can get away with - some say you must not post without permission, but a lot is posted with just an acknowledgement, perhaps that is all you need to do. I own the copyright of a lot of my work, but not all. I feel it is OK for me to post work that is someone elses copyright as I did the work, but I may be wrong. I own the copyright of all my working drawings, so that's OK.

Thanks for your kind comment, glad you like them.

#3273 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 13:41

I always wondered how you found me out !

Court records, Mafia connections, I used to drink in a pub next to a police station, walls have ears etc., etc. Do you know, it's been raining non-stop for two days and it is so dark I wouldn't be surprised if the Aurora Borealis showed up. Is that it? No, just a Police car...

#3274 alansart

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 13:50

I wouldn't be surprised if the Aurora Borealis showed up.


Is she something to do with your mate Gwendolyn :drunk:


#3275 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 14:07

Is she something to do with your mate Gwendolyn :drunk:

Ah, Gwendolyn! Haven't seen her for months - she has an address book the size of the Yellow Pages for North America, and does tend to renew old infatuations fairly frequently, so my time with her depends on the occasional lull in her social diary. By coincidence she had a very good friend call Aurora Beauchamp-Place, a good-time gal of the old school, but she went to South America some years ago, and contact was lost. Like some of her generation - not to mention the Mitfords and Moseleys - she was rather easily swayed by Teutonic ideals - and uniform - so may be holed up in Bolivia with an old flame.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 14:10

Ah, Gwendolyn! Haven't seen her for months - she has an address book the size of the Yellow Pages for North America, and does tend to renew old infatuations fairly frequently, so my time with her depends on the occasional lull in her social diary. By coincidence she had a very good friend call Aurora Beauchamp-Place, a good-time gal of the old school, but she went to South America some years ago, and contact was lost. Like some of her generation - not to mention the Mitfords and Moseleys - she was rather easily swayed by Teutonic ideals - and uniform - so may be holed up in Bolivia with an old flame.


Brilliant. You should write her life story :up:

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 17:54


Here a cutaway of the Ferrari 312 T3 1978 by Bruno Betti. Have to remove the background and try to fill the gap.

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Ibsen

Took a break from searching for a life, got bored. How does this look.

http://img19.imagesh...12t3edited.jpg/

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#3278 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 18:06

Took a break from searching for a life, got bored. How does this look.



Al

That looks very nice, crisp and clean, Al. Strange that the reflection in the inside face of the LH rear wing endplate is wrong - you may think I'm being very picky, but it's the sort of thing that I see without looking, it just hit me in the eye! Thanks for getting us back on track!

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 18:08

Here a cutaway of the Ferrari 312 T3 1978 by Bruno Betti. Have to remove the background and try to fill the gap.

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Ibsen


Ibsen

Took a break from searching for a life, got bored. How does this look.

http://img19.imagesh...12t3edited.jpg/

Al

I took a break as well, then remembered the missus had told me to do the shopping.........
Molte benne !!!

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#3280 macoran

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 18:14

Strange that the reflection in the inside face of the LH rear wing endplate is wrong - it just hit me in the eye!

Hmm black eye now ?
but prey Tony tell us what's wrong ?

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 18:21

Hmm black eye now ?
but prey Tony tell us what's wrong ?


It's going the wrong way. The reflection carries on as if it's at right angles to the end plate, but it's not so should reflect back at a similar, opposite angle....if you catch my drift.


#3282 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 18:41

It's going the wrong way. The reflection carries on as if it's at right angles to the end plate, but it's not so should reflect back at a similar, opposite angle....if you catch my drift.

Isn't your friend Alan clever, Tony dear?

Yes Gwendolyn, he is a gentleman and a scholar!

Well, I've know both gentlemen and scholars in my time, but I must say, you can't beat a cad for a bit of fun! You're a bit of a cad, Tony dear...

Sorry, I must stop...

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 18:45

Isn't your friend Alan clever, Tony dear?

Yes Gwendolyn, he is a gentleman and a scholar!

Well, I've know both gentlemen and scholars in my time, but I must say, you can't beat a cad for a bit of fun! You're a bit of a cad, Tony dear...

Sorry, I must stop...



Stop it, you've made me spill my beer :drunk:

Thanks to Photoshop, this is roughly how it should look.

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#3284 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 18:49

Stop it, you've made me spill my beer :drunk:

Thanks to Photoshop, this is roughly how it should look.

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Not just roughly, matey, that is spot-bollock on, as we used to say.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 21:44

Betti 312 T2, sorry about the crappy background
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This is the 1976 Ferrari 312 T2.

Here is a 1977 Ferrari 312 T2 cutaway by Bruno Betti.

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and a 1979 Ferrari 312 T4 cutaway by Bruno Betti.

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#3286 ibsenop

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 11:24

1974 Ferrari 312 B3 cutaway by Bruno Betti

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#3287 Tony Matthews

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 11:41

I am getting confused by all these Ferraris, I keep thinking I've seen one before, only to realise that I haven't. It would probably be the same if I posted all my Marlboro Penskes.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:30

Yes Tony, it's confusing.
Only when you have the time to looking to every one, absorving all the details, you can tell the diferences.
Some cars are only an evolution of the precedent with little diferences between them.
And between races new modifications.
It's the same with the Penskes and other cars.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 16:16

I looked in the recent index that was so kindly provided on page 76, post 3009 and did not see this one. It is of the Stutz Black Hawk LSR car driven by Frank Lockhart. I'm hoping one of the resident "gurus" could stitch it together, if it is of interest. I feel like I'm an outsider stepping into a private club with this thread. I think I've got quite a few other cutaways that are not represented in the thread, but it seems that they are mostly of this format and I hate to impose on you who are far more accomplished than myself to clean up my mess.
Anyway, thanks for the continuation of the topic, it is absolutely intriguing. Brian

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#3290 Tony Matthews

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 16:28

It is of the Stutz Black Hawk LSR car driven by Frank Lockhart. I'm hoping one of the resident "gurus" could stitch it together, if it is of interest. I feel like I'm an outsider stepping into a private club with this thread. I think I've got quite a few other cutaways that are not represented in the thread, but it seems that they are mostly of this format and I hate to impose on you who are far more accomplished than myself to clean up my mess.

Thanks Brian, nice to have some more CO La Tourette, and such a charismatic car! There are several here who like a challenge, so I don't expect it will be long before a 'stitched' version appears.

If it's a club, I'm a new member compared with some - actually I feel the same 'clubiness' with the CART and Indycar threads - but as far as the cutaways are concerned, my view is the more the merrier.

Edited by Tony Matthews, 31 December 2009 - 19:10.


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Posted 31 December 2009 - 16:37

I looked in the recent index that was so kindly provided on page 76, post 3009 and did not see this one. It is of the Stutz Black Hawk LSR car driven by Frank Lockhart. I'm hoping one of the resident "gurus" could stitch it together, if it is of interest. I feel like I'm an outsider stepping into a private club with this thread. I think I've got quite a few other cutaways that are not represented in the thread, but it seems that they are mostly of this format and I hate to impose on you who are far more accomplished than myself to clean up my mess.
Anyway, thanks for the continuation of the topic, it is absolutely intriguing. Brian


If it's a club then I'm sure everyone's welcome :wave:

Most of the stuff posted on here is of European origin so it'll be good to see more examples from your part of the world.


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Posted 31 December 2009 - 16:52

Happy New Year to everybody...cutaway style

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 17:00

Thanks Brian, nice to have some more CO La Tourette, and such a charismatic car! There are several here who like a challewnge, so I don't expect it will be long before a 'stitched' version appears.

If it's a club, I'm a new member compared with some - actually I feel the same 'clubiness' with the CART and Indycar threads - but as far as the cutaways are concerned, my view is the more the merrier.



If it's a club then I'm sure everyone's welcome :wave:

Most of the stuff posted on here is of European origin so it'll be good to see more examples from your part of the world.


Tony and Alan - thank you both. As far as the club feel to the CART/ IndyCar threads Tony, you were in the sport WAYYYY... deeper than I ever was. I always look forward to your great contributions. I don't think anyone else here makes me laugh out loud as much as you with your great delivery of humor! Brian

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 17:33

Happy New year everyone.

Anyone interested in BOB FREEMAN stuff might want to dig out their old Motor Sport magazines. In the April 2001 issue, there was a nice feature on the man. Included were several watercolours and sketches. I've scanned the article for myself, but copyright considerations prevent me from posting it here.

It'd be nice if Motor Sport did similar for Mr. Matthews, to show his working drawings to the non-TNF folk out there.


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Posted 31 December 2009 - 17:38

Happy New year everyone.

Anyone interested in BOB FREEMAN stuff might want to dig out their old Motor Sport magazines. In the April 2001 issue, there was a nice feature on the man. Included were several watercolours and sketches. I've scanned the article for myself, but copyright considerations prevent me from posting it here.

It'd be nice if Motor Sport did similar for Mr. Matthews, to show his working drawings to the non-TNF folk out there.


There's some good stuff on the Bob Freeman website. www.bobfreeman.co.uk


#3296 Tony Matthews

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 18:17

Happy New Year to everybody...cutaway style

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Blimey! Thanks for the fireworks DM, I'm glad it's going across the screen and not straight at me! In fact, if I turn the monitor I can send it down the road and into the Town Centre, that'll be a laugh! That's probably a bit far, but it might just make it to the side door of the Sir John Barleycorn and frighten the regulars. I hope the warhead isn't white phosphorous or the re-decorating bill will be enormous. I'd better prepare two quotes...

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 19:58

I had that Stutz LSR car scanned at pretty high resolution previously, so thought this would be a good excuse to complete the cleanup on it. Hope this works for you guys. This is the Clarence LaTourette illustration of the Stutz Black Hawk LSR car out of 1928 that Frank Lockhart crashed at Daytona in the surf on a run. This is out of Sports Car Illustrated, December, 1958,
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 20:00

Going to throw in another old LaTourette drawing, this from the June, 1956 issue of Sports Car Illustrated. The Ferrari 750 Monza.
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#3299 Tony Matthews

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 20:10

Thank you very much Tom, and for all your contributions. Happy New Year. Damn, gotta go and start drinking...

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 21:05

Thank you very much Tom, and for all your contributions. Happy New Year. Damn, gotta go and start drinking...


And to you and the rest of the group. Actually have a New Years party for a change, involving models and photographers, nakedidity (not the photogs), and little drinking. Seems like a relatively fair exchange, don't you think.
Hope you all have something memorable for the evening ... even if you don't remember it.
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