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#4051 CVA

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 07:45

lotus 49,artist unknown,may be somebody knows the author

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 07:59

lotus 23 by jj Fran├žois
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#4053 Tony Matthews

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 08:52

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A rather grim illustration of a Shelvoke and Drewry fire engine cab. I did several of their vehicles, none of them 'proper' cutaways, but it made a change, and gave me the opportunity to practice with colour. Jim Allington did a couple of truck cutaways for FoMoCo, the 'D' Series, I have a photo somewhere of me sketching bits of chassis, I can't remember which Ford division we visited, but I remember it being windy! I only did the Bedford truck which has been posted earlier. I would have cheerfully done more - nice big bits of engineering.

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 12:17

Actually, I think you might be talking about that McLaren M8 CanAm series car. Those were just massive engines mounted in a tin can, and they ran like crazy, dominating the series racing at the time. I never did a drawing of the car, but have the information to do one as I did all the research and took the photos that I needed when I put the package together to do a modelkit of the car a few years ago. Never came up with the financial motivation to put the time into this car, although it might have been pretty cool to do it.
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No Tom I definitely know my McLarens :) I was just using the colour as a reference point. Here it is, An AA/fuel 'Flying Wedge', and yes they have worked on the aero of a car that is only due to race for 6 seconds! Now that is dedication to speed.



Back to the M8, do you have any material that you are able to share that would be of interest to this thread Tom? Sounds like an amazing experience getting to know that particular car.

Edited by werks prototype, 28 April 2010 - 18:04.


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Posted 07 March 2010 - 12:23

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A rather grim illustration of a Shelvoke and Drewry fire engine cab. I did several of their vehicles, none of them 'proper' cutaways, but it made a change, and gave me the opportunity to practice with colour. Jim Allington did a couple of truck cutaways for FoMoCo, the 'D' Series, I have a photo somewhere of me sketching bits of chassis, I can't remember which Ford division we visited, but I remember it being windy! I only did the Bedford truck which has been posted earlier. I would have cheerfully done more - nice big bits of engineering.



This is great. I wonder, did they ask you to do just the cab because the rest/rear of the vehicles are modular and vary?

Beautiful and elegant shadow/reflections cast by that blue light and the 'horns' :eek: :up: That small detail has made my Sunday.

Edited by werks prototype, 07 March 2010 - 12:55.


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Posted 07 March 2010 - 12:53

This is great. I wonder, did they ask you to do just the cab because the rest/rear of the vehicles are modular and vary?

Beautiful and elegant shadow/reflections cast by the blue light and the 'horns' :eek: :up:

Well thank you, wp, you picked out the only bit I'm happy with! Yes, they just wanted the cab, it was a new design and was, I think, going on a current chassis. S&D was an interesting company, they made a variety of vehicles - fire tenders, refuse trucks, 6x6 chassis/cabs and so on. They were in the next town as well, that helps! The perspective is as extreme as that because the resident press officer/graphic designer liked it that way.

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 22:06

Cooper 500 1947 by 'Max Millar'

1931 Austin Light Six by 'Max Millar' Another 'annotated wonder'.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 07:53

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A rather grim illustration of a Shelvoke and Drewry fire engine cab. I did several of their vehicles, none of them 'proper' cutaways, but it made a change, and gave me the opportunity to practice with colour. Jim Allington did a couple of truck cutaways for FoMoCo, the 'D' Series, I have a photo somewhere of me sketching bits of chassis, I can't remember which Ford division we visited, but I remember it being windy! I only did the Bedford truck which has been posted earlier. I would have cheerfully done more - nice big bits of engineering.


When I was at Industrial Artists, Hitchin in the mid 70's we approached Shelvoke and Drewry for work. Now I know why we didn't get it :)


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Posted 08 March 2010 - 08:20

No Tom I definitely know my McLarens :) I was just using the colour as a reference point. Here it is, An AA/fuel 'Flying Wedge', and yes they have worked on the aero of a car that is only due to race for 6 seconds! Now that is dedication to speed.

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Back to the M8, do you have any material that you are able to share that would be of interest to this thread Tom? Sounds like an amazing experience getting to know that particular car.

Sorry, that Flying Wedge was based on the Don Prudhomme car and a couple of others that ran at the time, all of which were much to heavy to be competitive. Prudhomme sold his to Leland Kolb I believe, and ended up having the Yellow Feather built, which worked extremely well.
As to the McLaren, we had quite a set of information to work with. Much of the high detail body reference was from some trackside stuff that I shot at Michigan International in 1969, the only time I saw those cars run, and in the middle of the McLaren's dominance of Can Am. Almost all of that information is in neg form and I don't have a ton of time to dig in to scan it. Suffice to say that I shot part photos at a restorers shop out here, and the complete resto car in Northern California. I will see what I have on that set of pics, and it had been vetted by the specialists from the team who were then doing most of the McLaren rebuilds. Might be able to do something for you there.
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#4060 Tony Matthews

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 08:46

When I was at Industrial Artists, Hitchin in the mid 70's we approached Shelvoke and Drewry for work. Now I know why we didn't get it :)

:lol: You would probably have done a better job than I did! As usual it is who you know, not what you know - I was approached by an employee of S&D (sometimes known as Shit & Dust because of their refuse vehicles) because he'd seen work I'd done for someone else in Hitchin, whom he knew. It's a shame they disappeared, they made some interesting vehicles.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 08:51

As to the McLaren, we had quite a set of information to work with. Much of the high detail body reference was from some trackside stuff that I shot at Michigan International in 1969, the only time I saw those cars run, and in the middle of the McLaren's dominance of Can Am. Almost all of that information is in neg form and I don't have a ton of time to dig in to scan it. Suffice to say that I shot part photos at a restorers shop out here, and the complete resto car in Northern California. I will see what I have on that set of pics, and it had been vetted by the specialists from the team who were then doing most of the McLaren rebuilds. Might be able to do something for you there.
Tom West

There might have been more cutaways of the McLaren, Tom, as I too photographed a car for a drawing, just never got further than the outline on some film!

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 22:41

There might have been more cutaways of the McLaren, Tom, as I too photographed a car for a drawing, just never got further than the outline on some film!


I wasn't exactly on the front burner with this deal since I had just gotten the chance to shoot the car at MIS, and then we did the project in the mid-90s. That is when I got all of my detail shots, so it is a definite "when time available" project.
As a point of interest to you guys, that MIS race is the one where Dan Gurney was struggling around and could not qualify his McLeagle with the big front and back wings, so they gave him the T-car to run in the race. A little loop was welded to the top of the roll bar, a metal deflector was stuck onto the top of the windscreen (which must have been very distracting at a minimum), and they threw him out at the back of the grid to run the race. He ended up chasing 1 & 2 out of the last turn up onto the main straight, just running out of real estate or he might have won that thing. One of the most exciting finishes I have ever seen to what would have been a sleeper race otherwise. My last frame of film had the three cars coming through that final turn nose to tail.
A couple of other interesting shots from that weekend include the 15 McLaren. Jack Brabham was running his Can Am car up there, and, in his honor, they turned over that loaner T-Car to him for a few laps during one of the sessions. Having that 8D in the different numbers from that weekend was pretty cool, I always thought.
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Posted 08 March 2010 - 23:25

As to the McLaren, we had quite a set of information to work with. Much of the high detail body reference was from some trackside stuff that I shot at Michigan International in 1969, the only time I saw those cars run, and in the middle of the McLaren's dominance of Can Am. Almost all of that information is in neg form and I don't have a ton of time to dig in to scan it. Suffice to say that I shot part photos at a restorers shop out here, and the complete resto car in Northern California. I will see what I have on that set of pics, and it had been vetted by the specialists from the team who were then doing most of the McLaren rebuilds. Might be able to do something for you there.
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Well, that must really have been something, to see those cars in a contemporary setting. I managed to film a bit of footage in 2008 of an M8F and a Shadow MK1, the Shadow looked like a go-kart in comparison to the McLaren, a phenomenon no doubt further emphasised by the slightly oversized driver at the helm of the Shadow. 1969 would point to an M8B or M8B/2 as the focus of your trackside material? Was the restoration material taken much after 1969? Edit 'Mid-90's' Just read your previous post Tom. If you ever find the time literally any material would be fascinating to see Tom, even if it is just one shot of a small detail on the car or something, obviously don't compromise your copyright.

Here is some of the Chassis information for around 1969. Wouldn't it be great if you had unwittingly encountered one of these legends. :up:

M8B/2 1969 Built from parts of M8A/1. Raced by Bruce McLaren in Can-Am 1969. Car destroyed in an accident at Riverside late in 1969. After rebuilt sold to Koveleski who raced it in 1970. Tony Adamowicz drove the car in Can-Am 1971. Then raced by Agor, Kent Fellows and Mark Waco in Can-Am 1972. Sequence of owners, Oscar Koveleski (1970) => Warren Agor (1972) => Lance Smith (~1999~2006).

M8B spare tub 1969 Started life as an M8A. Rebuilt as M8B for 1969 and became factory spare car. Bruce McLaren finished the season in this spare car after he wrecked his regular M8B/2. The spare car had also been driven in 1969 by Brabham, Amon and Gurney for the team. Sequence of owners, {spare tub became M8D/3}.

M8D/1 1970 Raced by Denny Hulme in Can-Am 1970. Raced by Motschenbacher since 1971 to a single race in 1973. Sequence of owners, Lothar Motschenbacher (1970) => Stan Sarkowitz => McLaren International (~1999~2001).

M8D/2 1970 Destroyed during Bruce McLaren's fatal accident while testing it. {destroyed}

M8D/3 1970 Raced by Gurney and Gethin in Can-Am 1970. In 1971 converted to an F by Max Kelly at McLaren Engines and became Team spare car. The only thing used was the tub, all other pieces were F parts. In 1973 driven by Scooter Patrick for Herb Kaplan's US Racing and in 1974 raced by John Cordts under Performance Engineering Ltd. banner. Took part in re-newed single-seater Can-Am series in 1977 driven by a new owner Merle Brennan. Since 1980s in the U.K. Sequence of owners, Herb Kaplan (1973) => Merle Brennan (~1977) => Stuart Baumguard, USA (late 70s) => Paul Whight, GB (mid 80s) => ??Lawrence Stroll (~2000)?? => Museum in Canada (~2004).

M8D/4 1970 It was M8E prototype car rebuilt to M8D specification for Hulme late 1970. Crashed by Dean in 1971. Rebuilt in USA with all the usable parts from the original car and a new M8E tub (80-10). Raced by Dean, Woods, and Overhauser until the end of the original Can Am. Whipple in single-seater Can-Am in 1977 (damaged, repaired by Collins) The car was then sold to Modena Collection, Australia. In 1990s the car was in USA. It is listed separately since original tub (M8E/1) was later repaired and built into another car with parts from Trojan. Sequence of owners, A. G. Dean (1971) => {rebuilt using M8E-80-10} => Roy Woods (1971) => Bill Overhauser (1972) => Hal Whipple (1974) =>Modena Collection, AUS (1980) => Bruce Zeigler/Zeigler Coach Co., USA (1990) => Ernest Iaconetti (1997~2005).



1969 McLaren M8B (I will post a better quality image with details later, but I don't believe this one has yet appeared on the thread 'Master List' produced by Ibsenop)

Edited by werks prototype, 28 April 2010 - 18:04.


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Posted 09 March 2010 - 00:09

Hmm? A variation of the Mr T Matthews GT-40 Chassis/Tub? A copy of the Matthews original on page 69? Is the companion 'shell' by the same hand? And which came first, the chicken or the egg on page 69?


Edited by werks prototype, 28 April 2010 - 18:04.


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Posted 09 March 2010 - 00:30

Ford G7A cutaway by Unknown artist - from the Autodiva Forum

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TNF Cutaway Index at page 100 updated to post #4067

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 01:04

Ford G7A cutaway by Unknown artist - from the Autodiva Forum

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TNF Cutaway Index at page 100 updated to post #4067

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That's a great find. Pretty unique wing. The image itself looks a little like a screen print of an original drawing?


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Posted 09 March 2010 - 01:11

Well, that must really have been something, to see those cars in a contemporary setting. I managed to film a bit of footage in 2008 of an M8F and a Shadow MK1, the Shadow looked like a go-kart in comparison to the McLaren, a phenomenon no doubt further emphasised by the slightly oversized driver at the helm of the Shadow. 1969 would point to an M8B or M8B/2 as the focus of your trackside material? Was the restoration material taken much after 1969? Edit 'Mid-90's' Just read your previous post Tom. If you ever find the time literally any material would be fascinating to see Tom, even if it is just one shot of a small detail on the car or something, obviously don't compromise your copyright.

Here is some of the Chassis information for around 1969. Wouldn't it be great if you had unwittingly encountered one of these legends. :up:

M8B/2 1969 Built from parts of M8A/1. Raced by Bruce McLaren in Can-Am 1969. Car destroyed in an accident at Riverside late in 1969. After rebuilt sold to Koveleski who raced it in 1970. Tony Adamowicz drove the car in Can-Am 1971. Then raced by Agor, Kent Fellows and Mark Waco in Can-Am 1972. Sequence of owners, Oscar Koveleski (1970) => Warren Agor (1972) => Lance Smith (~1999~2006).

M8B spare tub 1969 Started life as an M8A. Rebuilt as M8B for 1969 and became factory spare car. Bruce McLaren finished the season in this spare car after he wrecked his regular M8B/2. The spare car had also been driven in 1969 by Brabham, Amon and Gurney for the team. Sequence of owners, {spare tub became M8D/3}.

M8D/1 1970 Raced by Denny Hulme in Can-Am 1970. Raced by Motschenbacher since 1971 to a single race in 1973. Sequence of owners, Lothar Motschenbacher (1970) => Stan Sarkowitz => McLaren International (~1999~2001).

M8D/2 1970 Destroyed during Bruce McLaren's fatal accident while testing it. {destroyed}

M8D/3 1970 Raced by Gurney and Gethin in Can-Am 1970. In 1971 converted to an F by Max Kelly at McLaren Engines and became Team spare car. The only thing used was the tub, all other pieces were F parts. In 1973 driven by Scooter Patrick for Herb Kaplan's US Racing and in 1974 raced by John Cordts under Performance Engineering Ltd. banner. Took part in re-newed single-seater Can-Am series in 1977 driven by a new owner Merle Brennan. Since 1980s in the U.K. Sequence of owners, Herb Kaplan (1973) => Merle Brennan (~1977) => Stuart Baumguard, USA (late 70s) => Paul Whight, GB (mid 80s) => ??Lawrence Stroll (~2000)?? => Museum in Canada (~2004).

M8D/4 1970 It was M8E prototype car rebuilt to M8D specification for Hulme late 1970. Crashed by Dean in 1971. Rebuilt in USA with all the usable parts from the original car and a new M8E tub (80-10). Raced by Dean, Woods, and Overhauser until the end of the original Can Am. Whipple in single-seater Can-Am in 1977 (damaged, repaired by Collins) The car was then sold to Modena Collection, Australia. In 1990s the car was in USA. It is listed separately since original tub (M8E/1) was later repaired and built into another car with parts from Trojan. Sequence of owners, A. G. Dean (1971) => {rebuilt using M8E-80-10} => Roy Woods (1971) => Bill Overhauser (1972) => Hal Whipple (1974) =>Modena Collection, AUS (1980) => Bruce Zeigler/Zeigler Coach Co., USA (1990) => Ernest Iaconetti (1997~2005).

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1969 McLaren M8B (I will post a better quality image with details later, but I don't believe this one has yet appeared on the thread 'Master List' produced by Ibsenop)


Those 1969 cars were pretty stout. I obviously ran across the McLaren and Hulme cars, along with that T-car. A bit later, in the '75-6 timeframe, I was living in New York and one of the people I was sharing a house with picked up a M8F from Burmeister Racing out of Chicago. It was a retired racecar, and we brought it into the place in New York so it sat out in the garage while we played around trying to get some things to work or whatever. Pretty neat to see the reaction when someone was exposed to it when the door opened.
When I did that whole research program for the modelkit, we got all of that Tyler Alexander stuff, and then lined up a day research trip to John Collins facility, somewhere around Newport Beach or one of those beach-town areas here in LA. He literally brought out parts and pieces, and had Bs, Ds and Fs sitting there in various stages of assembly, but not complete. Can't remember which car is was that I used for the complete car, but John said it was the best resto he had seen, so I will take that as a positive, as it wasn't one of his car.
Will try to dig out a couple of images and post them here for you guys.
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Posted 09 March 2010 - 06:10

Posted Image.....Going back in time ATS.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 06:15

Another point of interest on the CanAm cars, a little sidebar for you editorial types ... when we did the modelkits we did the factory cars as the McLaren and Hulme cars, complete with the tall roll bar and full windscreen for Hulme and the short bar and cut down windscreen for McLaren. We also produced a decent adaptation to make the Motschenbacher and Kovaleski cars with the lowered wing from '70. The Kovaleski car was that cool AutoWorld scheme with the slot car track running around the upper deck. I was working at Aurora not too long after this point, starting in 1973, so got to know Oscar and spent quite a bit of time with him doing the shows, and around them at USGP time. Aurora used to do a promotional deal, and ended up doing an endurance record that made the record books with a track that duplicated the layout of the Glen, and was setup in an empty garage stall at the end of the F1 garage. Had a constant flow of drivers coming through and trying their hands and the small stuff.
We were talking one night during a run at Saki at a Japanese Steakhouse in Chicago and I asked Oscar what his most exciting moment was during his CanAm driving career. He said, with absolutely no delay, "Coming out of the tunnel at St. Jovite backwards at 200."
Probably would have been my pick, too.
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Posted 09 March 2010 - 07:20

A cutaway image of Panhard Dyna Z (works, 1954). Front drive car with 2-cylinder air-cooled boxer (monoblock heads!). All-aluminium unibody, rack & pinion steering; quite an engineering.

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I seem to remember posting a detail from the rear-end of the working drawing of the T79, here is part of the front-end. The middle is, strangely, somewhere inbetween...


I feel like an interloper because I'm more drawn (no pun intended) to the "art" of these drawings than I am to their precision and clarity. That said...

Wow! This is a beauty, Tony. The grey areas and the construction lines take this to a level of aesthetics that appeals to me more than the pure, clean technical illustration. In fact this kind of drawing reminds me of da Vinci's sketchbooks....

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 07:45

:up: :up: Awesome drawing :clap: of the most fabulous :love: (whatever that means...) car ever built. Thanks!



#4073 Tony Matthews

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 08:24

:up: :up: Awesome drawing :clap: of the most fabulous :love: (whatever that means...) car ever built. Thanks!

Careful, David, you'll have that da Vinci guy after you - he's a terror for copyright infringement.

#4074 Tony Matthews

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 08:31

I was working at Aurora not too long after this point, starting in 1973, so got to know Oscar and spent quite a bit of time with him doing the shows, and around them at USGP time.
Tom West

Is that the Aurora that made the 1/76 scale slot-racers? If so, I was involved in a minute way over here, doing illustrations for the advertising agency that handled Aurora's account. That would have been about 1976/7.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 08:35


I have not mc laren canam cutaway but i have some chaparral from the web (artists unknown)
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#4076 Tony Matthews

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 08:41

Hmm? A variation of the Mr T Matthews GT-40 Chassis/Tub? A copy of the Matthews original on page 69? Is the companion 'shell' by the same hand? And which came first, the chicken or the egg on page 69?

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It is the same artwork, wp, just a copy of a copy of a copy of... and then digitized, so the original purity of line (!) has been lost. I think the body drawing is one of Jim's, I could check my job-book from that period, but I don't have time at the moment.

#4077 werks prototype

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 16:01

I have not mc laren canam cutaway but i have some chaparral from the web (artists unknown)
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One place I would very much like to visit in the future is the Permian Basin Peroleum Museum in Midland Texas. The lair of the Chaparral

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 16:22

Posted Image.....Going back in time ATS.


:eek: Those notorious rebels, Carlo Chiti and Giotto Bizzarrini's '156' like ATS Tipo. :up:

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 16:43

Gosh that ATS looks unsafe!

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 16:49

I have not mc laren canam cutaway but i have some chaparral from the web (artists unknown)
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This four drawings are in the Chaparral book by Falconer w/ Nye.
The top two (2H & 2J) are credited to Brian Hatton.
The 2C isn't credited at all. But looking at the airflow arrows I'd say it should be a Hatton drawing as well.
The Chaparral 1 is credited to the Car & Driver magazine.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 17:02


NSU Baumm 009 'Stressed skin' Hammock By 'Schlenzig'


NSU Baumm 009 'Stressed skin' Hammock 'Cross-section'


NSU Baumm 009 'Stressed skin' Hammock :) (There is a joke in there somewhere)

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#4082 werks prototype

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 17:40

Those 1969 cars were pretty stout. I obviously ran across the McLaren and Hulme cars, along with that T-car. A bit later, in the '75-6 timeframe, I was living in New York and one of the people I was sharing a house with picked up a M8F from Burmeister Racing out of Chicago. It was a retired racecar, and we brought it into the place in New York so it sat out in the garage while we played around trying to get some things to work or whatever. Pretty neat to see the reaction when someone was exposed to it when the door opened.
When I did that whole research program for the modelkit, we got all of that Tyler Alexander stuff, and then lined up a day research trip to John Collins facility, somewhere around Newport Beach or one of those beach-town areas here in LA. He literally brought out parts and pieces, and had Bs, Ds and Fs sitting there in various stages of assembly, but not complete. Can't remember which car is was that I used for the complete car, but John said it was the best resto he had seen, so I will take that as a positive, as it wasn't one of his car.
Will try to dig out a couple of images and post them here for you guys.
Tom West


Another point of interest on the CanAm cars, a little sidebar for you editorial types ... when we did the modelkits we did the factory cars as the McLaren and Hulme cars, complete with the tall roll bar and full windscreen for Hulme and the short bar and cut down windscreen for McLaren. We also produced a decent adaptation to make the Motschenbacher and Kovaleski cars with the lowered wing from '70. The Kovaleski car was that cool AutoWorld scheme with the slot car track running around the upper deck. I was working at Aurora not too long after this point, starting in 1973, so got to know Oscar and spent quite a bit of time with him doing the shows, and around them at USGP time. Aurora used to do a promotional deal, and ended up doing an endurance record that made the record books with a track that duplicated the layout of the Glen, and was setup in an empty garage stall at the end of the F1 garage. Had a constant flow of drivers coming through and trying their hands and the small stuff.
We were talking one night during a run at Saki at a Japanese Steakhouse in Chicago and I asked Oscar what his most exciting moment was during his CanAm driving career. He said, with absolutely no delay, "Coming out of the tunnel at St. Jovite backwards at 200."
Probably would have been my pick, too.
Tom West


Fascinating stuff Tom :up:

This thread may be of interest to you regarding 'Oscar Kovaleski and Auto World' http://forums.autosp...showtopic=61578



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Posted 09 March 2010 - 18:00

I've send an inquiry about posters of their cutaways to Haynes about two weeks ago.

Here is the response that I got today:

'I apologise for the late response. I have spoken to our licensing manager and he has advised that unfortunately we do not have the pictures within the Classic Cutaways, in a poster format at the moment but it is something that we are currently looking into.'

Let's knock on wood and hope for the best.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 18:11

Is that the Aurora that made the 1/76 scale slot-racers? If so, I was involved in a minute way over here, doing illustrations for the advertising agency that handled Aurora's account. That would have been about 1976/7.


That was right about the time the company was sold off, just before. I had started getting a bit involved with that model motoring group with a new system that was going after that "passing-car" market, which never really existed. I know that you guys were doing a lot of F1 related material for England that was never, unfortunately, used in the US program. I always like that things coming out of the English group, but never realized that you were involved with any of it. Might have put more effort into getting into that stuff ...
There were a couple of people from over there that were great to work with, but I can't remember names. Always wanted to figure out how to get involved with some of the photography in F1, which was pretty cool when I had a chance to do it.
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Posted 09 March 2010 - 18:35

Fascinating stuff Tom :up:

This thread may be of interest to you regarding 'Oscar Kovaleski and Auto World' http://forums.autosp...showtopic=61578


Absolutely of interest. I believe that Elaine had passed away a few years ago, and his son, whose name escapes me at the moment, had taken over what was going on with the business.
Oscar's father actually was the start of the hobby import business (in the US), along with Bernie Paul in Philadelphia and another group whose name is missing to me out of New York. He created a line of classic car models in 1/16 scale, including a Mercer, Stutz and Stanley Steamer. Not a lot of detail, but preformed pieces out of wood, bent wire, etc. I believe it was the Mercer that he had actually owned ... we used a shot of Oscar's father on our Instruction sheet cover when we updated and reissued those kits during my time with Aurora in the '70s. They still weren't exactly up to contemporary detail levels, but where else are you going to get a 1903 Rambler Runabout, or whatever it was called, in 1/16 scale.
Know that cab races to restaurants were always a part of the mix at trade shows. Can remember my first Hobby Show in Chicago where Elaine finally would not come out of the room after a couple of days. I saw her on the last day of the show and she was smiling and very happy looking. I commented on her looking so chipper when she started unloading on me (good natured) calling me various names for being a part of her face hurting so much she couldn't move it from that position. That was a hoot.
Just an idea of the nature of that business back then: we went over to see Oscar in Scranton and found him with a bunch of kids cheering and screaming on the first tryout of the Mosquito Herding Contest that was going to be run in a couple of weeks. The idea was that someone had come up with a sound generator that made a sound with the frequency of a male mosquito in flight. The only mosquitoes who bite are impregnated females, who want nothing further to do with a huge male mosquito. The contest concept was that they would release a jar of mosquitoes (how they figured out whether they were female was never explained) into the warehouse. A select group of herders were all given Skeeter Scats and would give chase. The first to be shown to chase an actual mosquito out of a door on the other side of the warehouse was the winner. One of the funniest things I have ever seen, as anyone running around chasing this invisible thing looked like someone doing a scene from Ghostbusters with the CG to be added ... gave anyone the look of beeing a touch demented.
Anyway, not sure what this has to do with Cutaways, but thanks for bringing up Oscar for me. I appreciate it.
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Posted 09 March 2010 - 18:37

I've send an inquiry about posters of their cutaways to Haynes about two weeks ago.

Here is the response that I got today:

'I apologise for the late response. I have spoken to our licensing manager and he has advised that unfortunately we do not have the pictures within the Classic Cutaways, in a poster format at the moment but it is something that we are currently looking into.'

Let's knock on wood and hope for the best.


Wish I hadn't gotten rid of all those manuals, as taking a scan from the covers would have given a much better result than the photocopies that I have. Not that I wanted to hang onto that whole carload of issues anyway ...
I am going to go to my storage unit and pull some of those things out. Will see what I can come up with on some of those pieces for everyone, but don't plan on anything too high quality ...
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Posted 09 March 2010 - 21:09

Max Millar RR Silver Ghost engine scanned from an old "Cars in Profile". Posted because it's pretty much a perfect drawing.

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Marc, just wanted to thank you again for all the time and effort you spent sharing your collection with us. Know that your contribution along with Ibsen, Tom and of course Tony have made this thread the supreme resource for those of us who find the art of the cutaway so fascinating. Come back if you can.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 06:08

...some Shin Yoshikawa cutaways..in case not posted before.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 08:25

to day 2 bruno betti's vintage racing car
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Thanks to Duc-Man for the chaparral informations,may be have you a better definition of this chaparral's drawwings?

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 09:59

Meet, please, fabulous Jaguar in-line six (Motor, 1948). At least 5 Le Mans wins - and
other exploits...

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Really impressive list of makes and models (p.100) - nearly this exhaustive. Yet the
list is still lacking a few distinguished names. Say, Talbot Lago T126. Pegaso Z102.
Maserati Quattroporte I... It would be wonderful to see them here.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 15:30

to day 2 bruno betti's vintage racing car
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Thanks to Duc-Man for the chaparral informations,may be have you a better definition of this chaparral's drawwings?


The Bentley is very nice. I may be reading a bit too much into it, but it looks as if Betti has followed the natural outline of the reflection on the side of the radiator, using it as a template for the cutaway at this point. This is probably just a case of me thinking about it too much.




Here is a different, I suppose 'charming' comic interpretation of the Auto Union from 1937. I don't own the 'Eagle Annual of Cutaways' so I am unable to check whether or not it is contained within! However if anyone has a better, cleaned up high-rez scan feel free to replace this knackered old print. :)
Auto Union Grand Prix Car 1937 'J. Walkden Fisher'

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 19:02

A Cutaway 'Chiaroscuro'. You could almost start a new subject specialism with this work.

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1933 Hillman Saloon By 'John Palmer'

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 19:03

Ford Escort Mark III 1980 by 'Chris Plant' (Autocar)

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 19:18

I can say that the Auto Union isn't in the Eagle cutaway drawing book, which is a good buy if you can find a copy, mine's always on the coffee table.

I have a book at home, issued I think by Shell. It has a very George Eyston looking racing driver on the cover, paperback, large format, and inside are cutaways of a very 30's looking road car, but the twist is, that if for example the engine is cutaway, but the card isn't, there is a folded cover, which when lifed up shows the inside of the carb. It's a lovely thing, and I've never seen another, has anyone else seen it/got one?

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 19:34

I can say that the Auto Union isn't in the Eagle cutaway drawing book, which is a good buy if you can find a copy, mine's always on the coffee table.

I have a book at home, issued I think by Shell. It has a very George Eyston looking racing driver on the cover, paperback, large format, and inside are cutaways of a very 30's looking road car, but the twist is, that if for example the engine is cutaway, but the card isn't, there is a folded cover, which when lifed up shows the inside of the carb. It's a lovely thing, and I've never seen another, has anyone else seen it/got one?


Sounds amazing. I've never seen anything like that before. Sounds a little like an advent calendar type construction? Any chance you could get a picture up?


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Posted 10 March 2010 - 21:28

I had mentioned that Inomoto display that I attended at the Hillsborough Concours a few years ago. It was put on by Lexus, and featured Yoshihiro Inomoto, who has been involved with this fundraising event for many years as one of the judges. I, for some reason, decided that this was the time to do the scan of the brochure that Lexus had prepared for the show, and will now send the pages out for your viewing. A good discussion of him and his process, plus a few of the pieces are shown on a large spread in the center of this double fold brochure.
Enjoy.
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 00:19

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I had mentioned that Inomoto display that I attended at the Hillsborough Concours a few years ago. It was put on by Lexus, and featured Yoshihiro Inomoto, who has been involved with this fundraising event for many years as one of the judges. I, for some reason, decided that this was the time to do the scan of the brochure that Lexus had prepared for the show, and will now send the pages out for your viewing. A good discussion of him and his process, plus a few of the pieces are shown on a large spread in the center of this double fold brochure.
Enjoy.
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Great read. Thanks for taking the time to put that up Tom.

Inomoto seems to place his 'technical art' firmly between Fine Art and Technical Drawing and almost as a thing distinct from Technical Illustration. Am I reading too much into the removal of the term 'Illustration' here with his use of the term Technical Art and his general philosophy of trying to show a sort of combined 'aesthetic of engineering'?

He definitely seems to pursue a more stylistic approach to the subject material, where "If I feel the car is powerful the engine may be a little larger than reality" and "If the brakes are very good, I will draw them a fraction bigger or exaggerate their appearence".

He seems also to shy away from the notion of a drawing 'explaining' a thing to the viewer and he sort of implies that he feels that such 'explanation' is instead perhaps the domain of an Animation or simulation.

This approach is probably representative of his time spent with the In-house Mazda design department. This is great if you knew about this form of expressionism before hand, but imagine you intended to use the work as a form of serious reference. It is what it is though and he is certainly forthcoming about his abstract intent. It's good to know though, it puts his work in an entirely different context for me. Just as valid, but I now feel I understand more about his process.

I wonder if he still uses this stylistic approach even if he is given full access to technical information? I wonder if it really is a choice or just a bad habit that has developed somewhat into something of a style? Anyway, great stuff :up:

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 01:48

Great read. Thanks for taking the time to put that up Tom.

Inomoto seems to place his 'technical art' firmly between Fine Art and Technical Drawing and almost as a thing distinct from Technical Illustration. Am I reading too much into the removal of the term 'Illustration' here with his use of the term Technical Art and his general philosophy of trying to show a sort of combined 'aesthetic of engineering'?

He definitely seems to pursue a more stylistic approach to the subject material, where "If I feel the car is powerful the engine may be a little larger than reality" and "If the brakes are very good, I will draw them a fraction bigger or exaggerate their appearence".

He seems also to shy away from the notion of a drawing 'explaining' a thing to the viewer and he sort of implies that he feels that such 'explanation' is instead perhaps the domain of an Animation or simulation.

This approach is probably representative of his time spent with the In-house Mazda design department. This is great if you knew about this form of expressionism before hand, but imagine you intended to use the work as a form of serious reference. It is what it is though and he is certainly forthcoming about his abstract intent. It's good to know though, it puts his work in an entirely different context for me. Just as valid, but I now feel I understand more about his process.

I wonder if he still uses this stylistic approach even if he is given full access to technical information? I wonder if it really is a choice or just a bad habit that has developed somewhat into something of a style? Anyway, great stuff :up:


Having admired his work, and gone through his book (as much as one can not speaking Japanese), I have to say that whatever he is doing works for me. I wish that I weren't so literal and could take that kind of approach and not having it looking like a dog's lunch.
Tom West