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#4501 macoran

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 19:58

but how is the operating arm described?
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As the arm is fixed at the fore end and trails back, I would call it a trailing arm.


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#4502 ibsenop

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 20:34

From a series of articles published in Motor magazine,titled "The non-Conformists" by Cyril Posthumus drawings by Brian Hatton.
This is Nr 1 in the series published w/e June 5 1971.
The 1935 GP Trossi Monaco
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16-cylinder two-stroke twin supercharged radial engine and front wheel drive.
Please, Marc, don't stop post these "The non-Conformists".

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 20:39

16-cylinder two-stroke twin supercharged radial engine and front wheel drive.
Please, Marc, don't stop post these "The non-Conformists".

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That engine is amazing! And is that 'grass' beneath the wheels?

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 20:40

From a series of articles published in Motor magazine,titled "The non-Conformists" by Cyril Posthumus drawings by Brian Hatton.
This is Nr 1 in the series published w/e June 5 1971.
The 1935 GP Trossi Monaco
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How many articles are there Macoran?

#4505 macoran

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 21:34

How many articles are there Macoran?

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I have nr. 10 and 11 to scan.
Of another series by Cyril Posthumus drawings by Brian Hatton titled "Prophet without honour" I have nrs 11,12,14 and 16
these article have the same style of Hatton drawings.
Thanks to Ibsen's fantastic Index Alfa Romeo Bimotore on page 42 of this thread is also from a "Non-conformist" article.

#4506 Tony Matthews

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 21:42

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Jensen-Healy MK1. By 'J. Attrill' (Jensen Motors Ltd)

That's how most Jensen Healy's ended up, I think - terrible rust problems.

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 21:50

That is an amazing collection of curves, Ibsen, if I was still in the business I might be making an order or two! Curves like these may well be available in the UK, but I've never come across them - railway curves, yes, but I think they are constant radius, and Naval architects must use naval curves.

Thanks for GB's FW08, very shiney!

Edited to say I really like the Curvas Navais - and any collection of things in purpose-made boxes arouses my interest!


We had to make our own curves in design school from paper templates. Cut them out of styrene sheet with a jigsaw, sanded them. They were similar to the second, but didn't have inflection, where a positive becomes a negative. The set, used by auto stylists was called Toyota curves- not sure where the name came from, if it was related to the car company or not. In an odd bit of coincidence, Harry Bradley, who did that cutaway was one of my instructors during that term when I made the curves. I also have a couple sets of the ellipse guides, made by Alvin, and they stink. Even after many years, the smell won't go away.

#4508 macoran

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 21:52

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I have nr. 10 and 11 to scan.
Of another series by Cyril Posthumus / drawings by Brian Hatton titled "Prophet without honour" I have nrs 11,12,14 and 16
these article have the same style of Hatton drawings.
Thanks to Ibsen's fantastic Index ......Alfa Romeo Bimotore on page 42 of this thread is also from a "Non-conformist" article.

The Bimotore is nr 8 in the non conformists series.
Also on page 42 you'll find the the 1902 Spyker from the same series, but as published by QuattroRuote.
The rest of the series I don't have, which is a great pity.

I picked these mags up while on R&R in Bangkok, sometimes I'd come in and there would be two or three months worth of magazines lying around,
in the shop I frequented.
I usually took everything I could lay my hands on. On other occasions I'd go in and there would be nothing !
Then, mind you, these magazines have survived my 'Nam duty trips and are now resting peacefully in my loft a good 30 years later.

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#4509 macoran

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 22:26

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:up: Good find !
I always remembered the Tyrrell 008 quite a bit slimmer/sleaker than this Piola rendering which makes it look stumpy an fatty.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 00:09

...stumpy an fatty.

Stumpy and Fatty. Is this a new cartoon series we can look forward to?

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 02:16

Porsche 911T by Bruno Betti

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#4512 Philip Whiteman

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 17:59

Coo – does the 911T's hook-jointed steering column really make the kind of angles the Betti drawing suggests?

#4513 macoran

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 18:20

Citroen's Mehari
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fabulous Jeep type runabout.
The 4wd version wasn't at all half bad !!

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 22:52

As the arm is fixed at the fore end and trails back, I would call it a trailing arm.

Many thanks, Marc. I assumed as much esp with the link from the diff top to the body, a bit like the Triumph 2000 IIRC, but I am always apprehensive about terminology
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Posted 11 April 2010 - 23:27

Bertone Fiat X1-9 ByTerry Davey (Haynes) Those with the Haynes book will probably already have this.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 23:34

Ford Sierra By Keith Harmer

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 00:17

There is one a few more pixels bigger on page 96! :) Just how many are there?

funny i've just put four files from around my harddrive ie trash, desktop, iphoto library and browser - side by side in iphoto window and flicking back and forth can't tell which ones are 145 and which 326kb - all are 1024 x 666 'size' and, having decided i prefer mac's now because it doesn't have so much - is it called 'moire' effect - in the engine area? - am pulling my previous off - ibsen does enough already ...

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 08:26

This pics is from Piola book
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Posted 12 April 2010 - 09:19

This pics is from Piola book
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It is great to see a Jordan. :up: :) Like the FW14B these drawings really exemplify just how lean and elegant the cars of this era were.

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 15:53

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#4521 Tony Matthews

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 16:58

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Must have been one hell of an accident...

#4522 werks prototype

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 18:51

A rather 'painterly' EB110 Bugatti

1991 Bugatti EB110 By 'Artist unknown'

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 21:51

Three which I came across in an old publication. Copyright with the artists and Motor magazine. Posted for educational and private archive use only.
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Roger Lund.

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 22:19

Three which I came across in an old publication. Copyright with the artists and Motor magazine. Posted for educational and private archive use only.
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Roger Lund.

Very good Roger !!
just can't make out the Cresta artist's name

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 00:01

Nardi 750LM Crosley Le Mans 1955 cutaway by (?)Robert Roux(?)

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This is the Nardi Automobili Nardi 750 LM - Crosley of Dr Mario Damonte - Roger Crovetto as it was entered in the 1955 Le Mans race.
The team was involved in the horendous 3rd hour accident and retired. A fantastic Bizarre model. (text by www.racingmodels.co.uk)

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TNF Cutaway Index updated at page 110.

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#4526 bradbury west

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 07:09

Ibsen
TNF Cutaway Index updated at page 110.



Many thanks.
Note; Master list at post 4367 on page 110
Roger Lund

#4527 Tony Matthews

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 07:34

Three which I came across in an old publication. Copyright with the artists and Motor magazine. Posted for educational and private archive use only.
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Roger Lund.

Yes, thanks Roger. Interesting that the style is similar, although the work of three individuals, which makes me think that it might have been the 'Motor' style, imposed on the illustrators. They all look great, regardless of the subject matter, but I think, from the purely illustrative aspect, my favourite is the Vauxhall. Seeing it gave me a flashback of a frustrating conversation at school, involving three of us. One said that he really liked the new Vauxhall Ferrari. We fell upon him, but he insisted that Vauxhall made a Ferrari. Just before it came to blows we realized he meant 'Friary'!

I still have mixed feelings about the heavy shadows. They work well here, and I think it also helps to tie all three together stylewise. When I went to Brabham with my almost-complete BT34 cutaway - my first - to check on some detail, a mechanic peered over my shoulder and said "I hope you're going to put a big black shadow under it. I like big black shadows!" Needles to say, Jim Allington's influence was too strong, or I might have always used a shadow myself.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 07:49

[quote name='Motocar' date='Apr 13 2010, 01:53' post='4285073']

OK I try a guess as to what it is, It has a inline 4cyl ,water cooled maybe be a Fiat,however the two tail pipes are strange? some sort of plate type trailing arms incorporating the brakes at the rear. A two seater with Top mounted Transverse front leaf spring,very Fiat,fuel tank behind the firewall,and a very strange positioned steering box position.Unknown what name it could be as yet. :eek:

#4529 Motocar

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:13

Sorry my poor english I talk spanish, this car is a Gurgel first model brazilian citycar. photo Gurgel industrias. possted in imageshack, Motocar, here no pass

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 14:05

[quote name='macoran' date='Apr 12 2010, 23:19' post='4285462']
Very good Roger !! just can't make out the Cresta artist's name [quote]
It is no clearer on the A4 original Marc.
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Posted 13 April 2010 - 16:40

Nardi 750LM Crosley Le Mans 1955 cutaway by (?)Robert Roux(?)

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Robert Roux like floor under the car, French annotation text.

What would be the odds it is a Roux ?

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 19:50

Andy Rouse BTCC (I think) Ford Mondeo
One of Terry Collin's lesser works I think.
I do appreciate the clear showing of the quick jack layout............and the door seals!!!
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edit to say I am off to scan the other Non-Conformists and Prophets of whotsit

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 22:01

Thanks for the info on the GURGEL 800 car made in Brazil........ Motocar.
It turn out to be a 2 cyl horizontal motor 792cc,now i know why the two pipes out the back check out the web site here thousands of these little vehicals around http://www.gurgel800...r/gurgel/br800/

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 00:06

Nardi 750LM Crosley Le Mans 1955 cutaway by (?)Robert Roux(?)

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That is great. I have to admit though, I am curious about the weight distribution. It is obviously something they solved though.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 00:13

Rover-B.R.M Turbine (Artist unknown)

Lucas Airborne Auxiliary Power Plant MK10501 (Artist unknown) (I love Gas-Turbines!)

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 00:15

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1978 Alfa Romeo Alfetta 2000 (Artist unknown)

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#4537 JuanSR

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 06:36

Hello everybody, I am a graphic designer from Spain (sorry if my english is not correct at all) i founded this searching in google. I ever have loved those cutaways drawwings that where on magazines. Fantastic compilation you have made here. Incredible can read here people like Tony Matthews and others .

I decided to make my first cutaway illustration to try the Phtotoshop CS3 and my new Wacom tablet and this is the result, the basic lines and shapes where copied from some low resolution drawings i founded on the web, i wanted to be more focused on the "painting work" that in the perspective. All the work was done whith hundreds of pictures I got in the web. I hope you like, the original is made in 8800x4000 px, so it can be printed in poster size about 70x50 cm.

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Regards.

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#4538 werks prototype

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 07:04

Hello everybody, I am a graphic designer from Spain (sorry if my english is not correct at all) i founded this searching in google. I ever have loved those cutaways drawwings that where on magazines. Fantastic compilation you have made here. Incredible can read here people like Tonny Mathews and others .

I decided to make my first cutaway illustration to try the Phtotoshop CS3 and my new Wacom tablet and this is the result, the basic lines and shapes where copied from some low resolution drawings i founded on the web, i wanted to be more focused on the "painting work" that in the perspective. All the work was done whith hundreds of pictures I got in the web. I hope you like, the original is made in 8800x4000 px, so it can be printed in poster size about 70x50 cm.

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Regards.


I am no expert and I'm afraid I can only offer enthusiasm, but I like it immensely Juan :up: . Especially the fine radiator detail. Regarding the textures I must say it has a fairly subtle 'painted' feel to it, especially the leather seating, really in opposition to some of the normally artificial looking CG Renders or in some instances the stark look of the 'airbrush'. Very nice and it is good to know about your process as well. Good job.

Do you have any more planned and is this part of a portfolio you are building?


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Posted 14 April 2010 - 08:32

I am no expert and I'm afraid I can only offer enthusiasm, but I like it immensely Juan :up: . Especially the fine radiator detail. Regarding the textures I must say it has a fairly subtle 'painted' feel to it, especially the leather seating, really in opposition to some of the normally artificial looking CG Renders or in some instances the stark look of the 'airbrush'. Very nice and it is good to know about your process as well. Good job.

Do you have any more planned and is this part of a portfolio you are building?


Thanks for your apreciations, i would like to do more of this drawings, i'm now planning a Jaguar E-type, may be I can talk with some motor magazines here or try to sell poster prints, to have some rellliability for the time spended. In a future , if I can find information, I want to do a Pegaso cutaway.

In the past years I´ve been working making 3D renders of houses for the real state, but the sector is now dead here.

Here is an example, in fact it´s a cutaway too... :)

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#4540 Tony Matthews

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 08:46

Thanks for your apreciations, i would like to do more of this drawings, i'm now planning a Jaguar E-type, may be I can talk with some motor magazines here or try to sell poster prints, to have some rellliability for the time spended. In a future , if I can find information, I want to do a Pegaso cutaway.

In the past years I´ve been working making 3D renders of houses for the real state, but the sector is now dead here.

Here is an example, in fact it´s a cutaway too... :)

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I like your 300 SL, Juan, and the building interior is great! You might find more work doing that than cars - I'm sorry to hear the housing sector is flat in Spain, but elsewhere in Europe, including the UK, it is picking up. Perhaps you should approach building companies and smaller architectual firms through-out Europe, I suspect the larger architects can do this in-house. Anyway, cars or buildings, good luck! My cutaway of the Benetton wind-tunnel would have been easier to do, and looked better, if it had been done your way!

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 10:09

Thanks for your words, Tony. I´m a great admirer of your artwork. I havn't seen the wind tunnel you say, but I doubt it would look better in my way than yours :drunk:

In any way I hope can show you some other drawings soon...

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 11:29

Incredible work, madness as you said (sorry, what paviors means?).Well, moddellig an scene like that in 3D is not easy, but there are some advantages, you can copy-paste repetitive items and once you have it done is easy get renders from diferent points of view.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 11:48

Nice work Juan.

I like the Mercedes. You certainly understand Photoshop and use it well.

#4544 werks prototype

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 12:01

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Part of the working drawing of the Benetton, now Renault, wind tunnel. Not shown here are the paviors outside the building, thousands of 'em, drawn in pencil, then ink, then pressed through to the watercolour board, then 'inked' in with mortar-coloured gouache. Madness. There's a lot to be said for computer-power for jobs like that.


That really is wonderful. The drawing has a kind of medieval rampart construction feel to it in some areas.

#4545 Tony Matthews

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 12:04

...what paviors means?

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This is what paviors means...

#4546 JuanSR

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 12:19

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This is what paviors means...


Ok :up: really in a 3D render you can solve this with a simple texture, or if you want more detail, making one and repeating thousands of times (it takes more memmory, and normally is not necessary)

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 12:24

Nice work Juan.

I like the Mercedes. You certainly understand Photoshop and use it well.


Thanks, alan, it has been a hard work with the layers and masks, but I think is a good result for being the first one. I hope to improve in the nexts.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 13:36

Congratulations JuanSR from Venezuela, the good work, Excelent drawing, I am hobby design without your quality. Good luck
Te felicito JuanSR desde Venezuela, buen trabajo, excelente dibujo, yo tambien diseño como hobby, pero disto mucho de tu calidad. buena suerte

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#4549 macoran

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 21:15

From the series in Motor magazine "The non-Conformists" by Cyril Posthumus
Nr 10 1903 Packard "Gray Wolf", drawing by Brian Hatton
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#4550 macoran

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 21:16

I decided to make my first cutaway illustration to try the Phtotoshop CS3 and my new Wacom tablet and this is the result,

Welcome Juan, that 300SL is stunning :up: