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#4851 werks prototype

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 00:01

A second prototype of the legendary McLaren F1 - 'Edward' based on Ultima Mk3. Cutaway by Mark Roberts

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Interesting stuff (And probably quite rare) :up:

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#4852 duffer

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 00:36

How did you get to start work on an Ultima MK1 brochure duffer? Was it a speculative or commissioned effort? Did you produce any more/similar brochure illustrations? I'm a big fan of Automotive brochure art.

PS (I do very much like that texture through the two cuts of the green painted ring/fixture) :up:


Cheers Werks! Never really carried on in technical graphics as it was just one part of my degree. I approached Lee Noble to design the brochure but he didn't have the money at the time to print it - how times have changed!!!! LOL! Intended to do medical illustration when I graduated but swiftly fell into computers and TV graphics. Ended up being a motionographer for over 20 years. Still love cars and am now scratch building 1/8th car models instead. Here's one of my favs:

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#4853 simplebrother

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 02:30

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Delahaye 135 - 1936 by Danny Mercer
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 02:33

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De Dion Boulton Model R
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 05:58

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Cord 810 Beverly Sedan - 1936, Inkwell Studios
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 06:01

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Cadillac Series 452 V16 - 1930, by Roger Farrington
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 08:09

Something different
A Cycle engine by Bruno Betti
Ducati whotever model
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I don't know much about cycles x'cepting the Honda CB750 I had in the early 70s, the Kwakka Z1 1300 with which I
flattened my face in '77 and the Yammie 650 Turbo which had such acceleration that I now still have the slimmest
wrists among my mates!


That is the famous 750cc from '71-'74. It was Ducatis 1st V-twin engine and was used in the legendary first 750SS.

#4858 Tony Matthews

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 09:34

Is everyone else happy with all these illustrations being reproduced from 'Inside 100 Great Cars'? I worry that someone may pull the plug for copyright reasons, and spoil a great thread. Only asking...

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 10:01

Is everyone else happy with all these illustrations being reproduced from 'Inside 100 Great Cars'? I worry that someone may pull the plug for copyright reasons, and spoil a great thread. Only asking...


I think we've been pushing our luck for some time but hopefully we'll get a warning if we go too far.


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Posted 10 May 2010 - 15:01

@IrasDaughter:
hi and welcome, realy cool to see you here. im a realy huge fan of your fathers work, he ws a massive influence in helping me decide to become a technical illustrator.


Wow - he will be amazed when I tell him!! I saw him yesterday, and told him about this board, and he was stunned that anyone remembers his and his workmates names even today. I think he was tickled pink.


To answer the question does he still have his artwork, well, some bits and pieces yes, but then of course he also had a tendency to buy the magazines his work featured in.  ;)

His hobby, even while he was working, was painting landscapes, and I have a few* of those dotted about the house I can tell you.

* for "few" read seven :)

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 15:11

I wanted to throw a couple of comments in here, as I am a latecomer in appreciating your father's work, or even really being aware of it. I had been collecting aircraft cutaways in a couple of publications that I got over here, but never the Flight International series, so I was unaware of the body of work that he produced over the years. After going through the entire presentation of prints that are available through Flight, it is interesting to see the various aircraft that fell under the Epton signature. They are some wonderful pieces, and I am more appreciative as he seemed to end up with the smaller and more unusual subjects that are completely different from anyone else's general work. Various private or industrial aircraft get his attention more than the more common military and airliner projects, it seems, so it fills in huge gaps in the cutaway history for me.
Am now a great fan of his work.
Thank-you for signing on here with everyone.
Tom West


Wow more responses, Im actually suprised - not being that technical or arty myself!

He didnt really discuss it all in any great depth with us, although we did have the opportunity to see him working occasionally on his projects.

I think things would be rather different now, computer enhanced graphics and such - his work could take anything from 2 weeks to 2 months to complete. In the earlier days he would have to go off for days on end to research his projects, but in the end it was more like a few days. I do know he completed an engineering apprenticeship before going off in the Navy - and he did attend art college in Portsmouth before he left the same. Sometimes he would draw things from many different angles before he decided which one he was actually going to use, which I supose tells me the most important thing to have apart from sheer talent, is lots of patience and perseverance.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 15:26

Wow - he will be amazed when I tell him!! I saw him yesterday, and told him about this board, and he was stunned that anyone remembers his and his workmates names even today. I think he was tickled pink.


I think a lot of us would be tickled pink if your dad was able to post some of his opinions and artwork on here - I'm sure we would treat him gently :)


#4863 werks prototype

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 17:02

Is everyone else happy with all these illustrations being reproduced from 'Inside 100 Great Cars'? I worry that someone may pull the plug for copyright reasons, and spoil a great thread. Only asking...


You have put the frighteners on me there Tony :eek: . Any suggestions going forward? I don't actually own a copy of that particular book myself.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 17:48

I think we've been pushing our luck for some time but hopefully we'll get a warning if we go too far.


I am not a specialist in terms of copyright legislation however I believe that as long as we mention the author and do not reproduce the artwork for commercial purpose we are safe. Maybe someone with more legal knowledge can give us a better idea.

BTW, this must be the best thread I ever read! :thumbsup:

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 18:00

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De Dion Boulton Model R
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Could that be a Brian Hatton ?....maybe 1 of the ones missing from the series I posted by Cyril Posthumus ?
I am saying could it be...but my gut says it am one.
tut-tut my Inglish is digusting sometimes!

Edited by macoran, 10 May 2010 - 23:50.


#4866 macoran

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 18:11

I don't actually own a copy of that particular book myself.

U have a message !

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 18:12

Tony makes want the book for Christmas!

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 18:42

That is the famous 750cc from '71-'74. It was Ducatis 1st V-twin engine and was used in the legendary first 750SS.


...with Desmodromic heads not shown in this drawing. The non-desmo engine was used in the plain 750 and the beautiful 750 Sport, Ducati's first effort in the big league and objects of desire of many (older nowadays) bikers...


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Posted 11 May 2010 - 00:28

The economic tree wheelers car Messerschmitt, Drawing of catalogue in spanish, autor unknownPosted Image

#4870 simplebrother

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 00:57

You have put the frighteners on me there Tony :eek: . Any suggestions going forward? I don't actually own a copy of that particular book myself.


I an no copyright lawyer either, and certainly cannot speak to international copyright law, but the following is true in the US (17 USC Section 107):
the fair use of a copyrighted work for purposes such as criticism, comment, scholarship, or research is not an infringement of copyright.
In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include—
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

I do own a copy of the book mentioned - in fact two copies. I originally thought we were beyond the 28 years provided by the copyright and wasn't at all concerned. With Tony's comment I checked, and the date (at least for my versions) is 1988, so I was mistaken. However, an individual posting would (in my non-judicial opinion) be considered fair use (especially when you can purchase the entire book for $4USD). Those posted by me were drawings only, not the entire pages from the book, but I don't know if that matters at all.

All of the above said, I will quit posting from that source - I certainly do not wish to threaten this wonderful thread.



#4871 simplebrother

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 00:59

Could that be a Brian Hatton ?....maybe 1 of the ones missing from the series I posted by Cyril Posthumus ?
I am saying could it be...but my gut says it am one.
tut-tut my Inglish is digusting sometimes!


The picture credit cited in the book is Quadrant Picture Library

#4872 Tony Matthews

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 07:54

All of the above said, I will quit posting from that source - I certainly do not wish to threaten this wonderful thread.

A comprehensive, well reasoned reply, SB, and I understand your conclusion. However, please don't think that I was doing anything other than voicing my own doubts about posting images that are copyrighted. I was asking, not telling! It is different for me, I post bits and peices that are either my copyright, or a client's copyright and I am fairly certain there won't be a come-back. Like you, I don't want this thread ham-strung! If you and others feel OK about using that source, don't be put off by me.:)

Edited by Tony Matthews, 11 May 2010 - 07:55.


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Posted 11 May 2010 - 12:42

Thought this may be of interest to some of you? Porsche parts hand drawn in Illustrat*r (sorry!) and used for making model parts:

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Edited by duffer, 11 May 2010 - 12:44.


#4874 Tony Matthews

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 13:02

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Looks like a flying saucer factory!

#4875 werks prototype

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 13:06

I'm going to sound typically dumb here, but what specifically are they? Molds?

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 13:17

I'm going to sound typically dumb here, but what specifically are they? Molds?


There may be a clue in the drawing underneath :)

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 13:24

There may be a clue in the drawing underneath :)

Yep, you've got a plan and half an elevation on the drawing! All they need is the spokes and nine little bolts...

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 13:31

There may be a clue in the drawing underneath :)


Yep, you've got a plan and half an elevation on the drawing! All they need is the spokes and nine little bolts...


Got it! :up: Steering wheel! ;)

Edited by werks prototype, 11 May 2010 - 13:32.


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Posted 11 May 2010 - 13:35

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Cosworth Formula 2 Engine. 1500cc 5 main bearing cylinder block. By 'Theo Page'

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 14:25

2 formula 1 1500 BRM/p61 et P578,artists unknown
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Posted 11 May 2010 - 15:25

formula 1 1500 BRM/p61
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That really is a beauty!


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Posted 11 May 2010 - 15:42

Yep, you've got a plan and half an elevation on the drawing! All they need is the spokes and nine little bolts...


Yep, they are for an RS60 spyder (x12!). Hoping to cheat a bit and also use the drawings (filled in black) to make photo-etched spokes. Much as I love airbrushing, Illustrator has changed my draughting life...I can draw all the parts using my own measurements and scale them down to model size, with ease. Can also multi-layer them so I can check all the components will fit together before I start bodging away in metal/plastic/resin. Just about drawn the whole car now using around 90 layers! All the parts are made by hand - no CNC!

Here's the blueprints for the front and rear drums combined:

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1/8th front drum mould masters:

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1/8th rear drum mould masters:

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Tony, I must also thank you for being a major influence on my automotive obsession... you are solely responsible for this sillyness! :)


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Posted 11 May 2010 - 15:57

Are you using Wax there Duffer? If so is it your own recipe?

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 16:04

That really is a beauty!


it is - but unfortunately, the image is slightly corrupted (a strange stripe behind the rear suspension)

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 16:08

Are you using Wax there Duffer? If so is it your own recipe?

The yellowy stuff is a two-part polyurethane resin. I pour it into plastic aerosol caps etc. to make cylindrical blanks for the lathe. Machines really nicely and doesn't wear the cutting tools too quickly!

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 16:19

formula 1 1500 BRM/p61 artist unknown
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John Marsden

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 16:37

Tony, I must also thank you for being a major influence on my automotive obsession... you are solely responsible for this sillyness! :)

I get the blame for everything... I can't see myself ever drawing again, at least not technical stuff, but modelling, my first love! Those bits look great, I like the way you produced the flange with strip, glued in place with the five 'bosses' added, neat.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 17:37

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1,599cc Ford Kent-based BDA Engine from Terry Collins

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 17:56

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1992 Porsche 968 VarioCam from Technical Art

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Porsche 993-generation Carrera 2 from Technical Art

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 22:59

Brabham BT49C cutaway by Bruno Betti

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TNF Cutaway Index - updated - page 120 - post 4763

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 01:31

Henry Ford's T
The one which launched mass-production
Giulio Betti's renderings
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This makes interesting reading though, particularly the last sentence.

"...2002 marks the 100th anniversary of mass production in the auto industry. By developing the process of "progressive assembly," Ransom E. Olds and his employees were able to manufacture 2,500 copies of the curved dash Oldsmobile in 1902. Up until then, the leading manufacturers in the fledgling auto industry were only producing several hundred vehicles a year. For instance, Olds assembled just 425 vehicles in 1901.

The progressive assembly technique pioneered by Olds in his Lansing factory used wooden tables and metal stands mounted on wheeled dollies to speed production and improve workflow. The carts were manually moved from one workstation to the next as parts and components were installed and assembled in sequence to become a completed vehicle.

That was 6 years before General Motors was organized and 11 years before Henry Ford first used a moving assembly line to mass produce his legendary Model T. In fact, Ford visited the Olds Motor Works to get a first-hand look at the innovative assembly process."

The T, though, by virtue of the sheer number sold, certainly put "progressive assembly" on the map.




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Posted 12 May 2010 - 06:15

Thank's Macoran for the info,i have another john Marsden:a lotus 25
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 06:33

another Marsden:the porsche 804 but in poor quality
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:51

A comprehensive, well reasoned reply, SB, and I understand your conclusion. However, please don't think that I was doing anything other than voicing my own doubts about posting images that are copyrighted. I was asking, not telling! It is different for me, I post bits and peices that are either my copyright, or a client's copyright and I am fairly certain there won't be a come-back. Like you, I don't want this thread ham-strung! If you and others feel OK about using that source, don't be put off by me.:)


Thank you for expressing doubts - if you have them, others probably do also. The purpose of a copyright is to protect the financial interests of the holder, not to restrict access or distribution of the work. Since the book appears to only be available from used book dealers, there is no potential of financial gain for the copyright holder. That said, I understand that not all may agree with such reasoning, so unless others concur, I will not post items from that source. As an aside, when I look at other old books that I have I often see what appear to be the same drawings. f probably should have just posted giving attributorship to artist without reference to actual publication.

My apologies to all for causing any concern - my intent was just to give back to a wonderful thread.


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Posted 12 May 2010 - 11:44

As an aside, when I look at other old books that I have I often see what appear to be the same drawings. f probably should have just posted giving attributorship to artist without reference to actual publication.


That is a good point, I think, and obviously I can't speak for others here, but I hope that if we remain within this context of general enthusiasm, artist/signature identification, general discussion, digital archiving and in some cases even a little digital restoration, hopefully our intent in some form complies with your earlier reference to "the fair use of a copyrighted work for purposes such as criticism, comment, scholarship, or research is not an infringement of copyright". I suppose the next point in the discussion would then have to centre around the specific nature of this being a public forum and therefore potentially open to abuse, but that really does open up yet another medium specific and 'proverbial' can O' worms.

By the way, take note of those many illustrations that appear over multiple publications, because I have noticed that sometimes they appear as often overlooked slightly modified model variations etc. Case in point is Bruno Betti's Porsche 935.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 11:45

another Marsden:the porsche 804 but in poor quality
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Good enough quality for me! :up: All those beautiful Porsche details!

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 12:30

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BMW (Aircraft) 801 By Max Millar

(I'm particularly taken by that oil radiator solution)

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 12:32

Quite a contrast to the above......but
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Reliant Rebel By ED. Pepall.



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Posted 12 May 2010 - 13:56

That is a good point, I think, and obviously I can't speak for others here, but I hope that if we remain within this context of general enthusiasm, artist/signature identification, general discussion, digital archiving and in some cases even a little digital restoration, hopefully our intent in some form complies with your earlier reference to "the fair use of a copyrighted work for purposes such as criticism, comment, scholarship, or research is not an infringement of copyright". I suppose the next point in the discussion would then have to centre around the specific nature of this being a public forum and therefore potentially open to abuse, but that really does open up yet another medium specific and 'proverbial' can O' worms.

By the way, take note of those many illustrations that appear over multiple publications, because I have noticed that sometimes they appear as often overlooked slightly modified model variations etc. Case in point is Bruno Betti's Porsche 935.



reality check guys:- this thread is possibly one of the biggest copyright infringements ive seen yet. No mater how one tries to justify a way around the subject, the fact remains that somebody somewhere "owns" the work that has been posted here. "general enthusiasm, artist/signature identification, general discussion," is unfortunatly no basis for a defence on breaking copyright. this whole party is being held together with tolerence from the rights owners, and i would be pretty sure most of them already know whats going on here ;)

but if we all chip in im sure we can afford a decent lawyer and or we could just blame Tony, so keep'em coming :)

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#4900 Tony Matthews

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 15:24

... we could just blame Tony,...

To quote 'The Coasters' - "Why's everybody always pickin' on me?" Well, post and be damned, I suppose, as I said, it doesn't really affect me, although there are one or two of my cutaways in finished form that I would be wary of posting as large images. All the working drawings are mine, I tell you, all mine!