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#4901 fnqvmuch

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 15:27

couldn't take in all the preceding but like this bit:

... keep'em coming :)


may i respectfully propose an act of contrition; self censorship whereby the commonly-agreed (fun!) dross could just be deleted?
there was one the other day i wish i hadn't bothered looking at ...
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it's this sort of thing that makes I.T. all wwworthwhile, IMHO ...

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 20:35

I haven't posted anything new to the group in a couple of weeks, so thought I would tie myself into the pickett line for arrest with the rest of you in this copyright issue.

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This is a William Moore illustration of the Harrison Special, one of the many sports specials that were run in the US back in the 50s and 60s. Moore was the illustrator who was doing the Car Craft Cutaway of the month between Steve Swaja and myself, so I used to follow his hot rod work quite heavily as I was getting started in this work.
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 20:40

Another William Moore effort, , the TVR sports car. These were really nasty little street cars at the time, although the capability of doing a wheelstand probably doesn't fit in with the sports car image, and that thing would, in fact, do a pretty fair wheelstand on the street.
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 20:43

This is a Vic Berris illustration of the Coventry Climax. Can't remember where it came from at the moment, but it probably appeared quite a few places.
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 20:48

And, you now have to put up with a couple of my pieces, this one being the Custom Body Dodge Charger of the Castronovo Brothers out of upstate New York. Phil was the driver, and they made quite an impact out here during the winter with this car. Unfortunately, the car was pretty much torched in a mishap about 6 weeks after the beginning of the season back at Gainesville, Florida. This would have been a very typical car of the day, with a Woodie Gilmore chassis, that Charger body, Ed Pink Chrysler Hemi Engine, etc.
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 20:49

I haven't posted anything new to the group in a couple of weeks, so thought I would tie myself into the pickett line for arrest with the rest of you in this copyright issue.

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This is a William Moore illustration of the Harrison Special, one of the many sports specials that were run in the US back in the 50s and 60s. Moore was the illustrator who was doing the Car Craft Cutaway of the month between Steve Swaja and myself, so I used to follow his hot rod work quite heavily as I was getting started in this work.
Tom West


Brilliant Tom :up: As always.

I am neither familiar with the artist William Moore nor the Harrison Special. These types of specials as well as the various hill climbers fascinate me the most. They are so specific and you think to yourself, I can't believe there was ever a market for these to be illustrated, but there was, obviously a product of the then weekly/monthly specialised magazine/press. Great stuff.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 20:52

This is the 1970 NHRA World Funny Car Champion, Gene Snow's Rambunctious Dodge Challenger Funny Car. A bit earlier design with that wide cage chassis than the Custom Body car, this was a pretty hard running car, and was right at the top of everything for a few years. Jo-Han even built a modelkit of the car at the time which was pretty decent.
The drawing was featured in Drag Racing USA at the time.
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 22:54

One rare car GMC the Concept hibrid car "PRECEPT 2000" Author Darryl Kim.....????? sorry
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 23:06

A Vic Berris Cooper Climax
I think I should stop having my nightcap...or ?
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 23:06

One rare car GMC the Concept hibrid car "PRECEPT 2000" Author Darryl Kim.....????? sorry
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 23:07

Brilliant Tom :up: As always.

I am neither familiar with the artist William Moore nor the Harrison Special. These types of specials as well as the various hill climbers fascinate me the most. They are so specific and you think to yourself, I can't believe there was ever a market for these to be illustrated, but there was, obviously a product of the then weekly/monthly specialised magazine/press. Great stuff.



Werks,
William Moore was one of the US illustrators, with a bit more to offer than most. He went from all the Sports Car Magazines into the hot rod world with Car Craft. He did the monthly feature for them after doing a lot of the other work with Motor Trend and a couple of the other Petersen Publications. The last thing that I saw of his was when he did an illustration of the Lear Turbine Indy car around 1970 or so. Moore went to work as an engineer for Lear wherever they were located here in the US.
As to those specials, most of the illustrations that were in Sports Cars Illustrated, Car and Driver and a few of the others were the custom Sports Specials that were so popular over here during that time. Things like the series of Old Yeller cars of Max Balchowski and many of the others were really pretty cool. Chevy, Buick, or Chrysler engines dropped into a handmade chassis and hammered out body most of the time. I went back and pulled all of those together .. many more drawings of those types of cars compared to anything else, and there were a couple of magazines that always featured them. As I said before, I have close to 400 of those illustrations featuring Sports Specials, Land Speed cars, Salt Flats cars, drag racers, customs, hot rods, Track Roadsters, and other US Automotive forms,
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Posted 13 May 2010 - 00:14

Werks,
William Moore was one of the US illustrators, with a bit more to offer than most. He went from all the Sports Car Magazines into the hot rod world with Car Craft. He did the monthly feature for them after doing a lot of the other work with Motor Trend and a couple of the other Petersen Publications. The last thing that I saw of his was when he did an illustration of the Lear Turbine Indy car around 1970 or so. Moore went to work as an engineer for Lear wherever they were located here in the US.
As to those specials, most of the illustrations that were in Sports Cars Illustrated, Car and Driver and a few of the others were the custom Sports Specials that were so popular over here during that time. Things like the series of Old Yeller cars of Max Balchowski and many of the others were really pretty cool. Chevy, Buick, or Chrysler engines dropped into a handmade chassis and hammered out body most of the time. I went back and pulled all of those together .. many more drawings of those types of cars compared to anything else, and there were a couple of magazines that always featured them. As I said before, I have close to 400 of those illustrations featuring Sports Specials, Land Speed cars, Salt Flats cars, drag racers, customs, hot rods, Track Roadsters, and other US Automotive forms,Tom West



That is very interesting Tom, I might try to track down a couple of those Petersen Publications.

Your mention of 'Specials' in general has reminded of a conversation I had with another poster (m.tanney), initially regarding Herb Jordan's self-made 'Jordan Special'. Mr Mike Tanney went on to describe a cutaway of the Fergusson Formula Junior.

To quote

"P.S. If you ever come across a cutaway of a Fergusson Formula Junior (front drive, DKW engine), please post it. A member of the Fergusson family one told me that a cutaway was done "for one of the magazines" but I have never been able to find it."


It strikes me Tom, based on the specificity of your collection, that if you ever get time, you may well be able to help this poster out here. I have been searching in vain for sometime now (I can't think why I didn't mention this cutaway here before).

Edited by werks prototype, 13 May 2010 - 00:18.


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Posted 13 May 2010 - 01:02

Brabham BT50 cutaway by Bruno Betti
One more from the genius Gordon Murray.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 01:20

Yep, they are for an RS60 spyder (x12!). Hoping to cheat a bit and also use the drawings (filled in black) to make photo-etched spokes. Much as I love airbrushing, Illustrator has changed my draughting life...I can draw all the parts using my own measurements and scale them down to model size, with ease. Can also multi-layer them so I can check all the components will fit together before I start bodging away in metal/plastic/resin. Just about drawn the whole car now using around 90 layers! All the parts are made by hand - no CNC!

Here's the blueprints for the front and rear drums combined:

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1/8th front drum mould masters:

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1/8th rear drum mould masters:

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Tony, I must also thank you for being a major influence on my automotive obsession... you are solely responsible for this sillyness! :)


Hi Duffer.
Impressive work. I beleive Ibsenop also work with Illustrator and he has done some incredable 4-way plans of cars.
I have told Ibsen some time he should draw the Jaguar XJ-13...but I understand he may not have the time. :)
(I have never seen a 4-way plan of the XJ-13).

At my job I have worked in Inventor for many years. (glaced in balconys). :)
When at school learning Inventor I had a Matra motor (1/12 scale in pieces-Tamiya) I measured and put it together in 3-D. It was amazing fun to see it take life on
the monitor. (I have my work on CD somewhere...no interior).

I have also drawn Porsche 550 Spyder...Porsche 718 RSK...Ferrari P3/412P (wich James Glickenhaus used as an inspiration rebuilding #0854...thankyou James) among others in AutoCad.

Well...I am bragging a bit...but this is one of the best threads here I think.

Please Duffer...show me more of your work.

Best.

Edited by P 4 Staff, 13 May 2010 - 01:25.


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Posted 13 May 2010 - 05:07

you guys really are obsessed arent you? :D

I had no idea cutaways had such a following.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 05:16

you guys really are obsessed arent you? :D

I'm glad you added the smilie, otherwise I would have worried a bit... Actually, I had almost lost interest until I stumbled upon this thread, and that got me going again!

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 07:19

you guys really are obsessed arent you? :D

I had no idea cutaways had such a following.


I have been a Technical Illustrator for 25 years and only started doing motorsport for the last 18 months, and love it.....

Shame they do not teach/train TI any more as we have jobs going and cannot fill them..

Have started a cutaway/ghosted body of a JADE open sports car and just photographed the Ford Fiesta S2000 SWRC at M-Sport. Tricky car to do as not allowed to photograph any technical details and only allowed to show roll cage... will see how this develops.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 10:26

you guys really are obsessed arent you? :D

You said ? :p
I posted your father's rendering of the Elva MkVIII on page 54, and Tony Matthews replied a post later telling us
about your father's work.
D'Agostini publishing ran a magazine called Airplane over here for two years containing a lot of your father's aircraft
cutaways in the centre fold (3 page barn door foldouts), or is it gate-fold ?

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 11:56

I have been a Technical Illustrator for 25 years and only started doing motorsport for the last 18 months, and love it.....

Shame they do not teach/train TI any more as we have jobs going and cannot fill them..

Have started a cutaway/ghosted body of a JADE open sports car and just photographed the Ford Fiesta S2000 SWRC at M-Sport. Tricky car to do as not allowed to photograph any technical details and only allowed to show roll cage... will see how this develops.

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Hi Roy,

Where do you work? I know of fully qualified illustrators looking for work.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 12:11

Hi Roy,

Where do you work? I know of fully qualified illustrators looking for work.



A lot of us are :)

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 13:00

A lot of us are :)


Hi guys, JADTEU RAF Brize Norton http://www.mod.uk/De...luationUnit.htm is where I work. We produce illustrations for restraint schemes showing how vehicles and equipment are restrained in an aircraft for transport and underslung from helicopters and pushed out the back of a hercules aircraft on a parachute.

I am 45 and youngest in office.. :lol: problem we have is that the two vacant posts are wage band E1 and D. E1 starting pay is about £16k and Band D is about £19 ):

most illustrations are 2 dimensional with some 3 D illustrations which are traced photographs showing details of restraint or chains avoiding brake pipes etc.

if anyone would like to see some examples then drop me a message with an email address and I can send some out.

we are all old school trained technical illustrators who have ended up here.


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Posted 13 May 2010 - 15:12

please believe me I was only joking - in truth its fantastic to see its so very popular, and Im very very proud of what my dad achieved. He had a very varied field - everything from tractors and combine harvesters to planes and even a few space things over the years, so there arent that many actual cars to be found. Strangely enough it was on a walk with John Hostler when I was a little kid that sparked my interest in Formula One - long before it opened as a museum, we went for a wander round part of the then closed and derelict Brooklands track.

By the way, the name Ira is Hebrew, and can indeed be male or female. I think its pretty rare in the UK but there was one other person Im aware of who had it - a kid my dads father used to play with in the village. And thats how my dad got his name :)

Edited by IrasDaughter, 13 May 2010 - 15:16.


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Posted 13 May 2010 - 16:41

please believe me I was only joking -

By the way, the name Ira is Hebrew, and can indeed be male or female. I think its pretty rare in the UK but there was one other person Im aware of who had it - a kid my dads father used to play with in the village. And thats how my dad got his name :)

I don't think anyone thought you were being serious! I think Ira is a great name, but when I first saw it I thought it was his initials - I.R.A Epton.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 16:46

Hey Tony, I have noticed you have just brought up all the eights there, 8888 posts!

(Check! My Pattern recognition skills are in full effect)

Edited by werks prototype, 13 May 2010 - 16:47.


#4925 Tony Matthews

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 16:56

Hey Tony, I have noticed you have just brought up all the eights there, 8888 posts!

(Check! My Pattern recognition skills are in full effect)

Look again, matey!

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 16:58

Jeepers :eek: Quick fire!

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 17:59

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Ok here is a test. how do you like this rear engine car made in 1934.....supply name ??


Its. the tatra
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Posted 13 May 2010 - 17:59

That is very interesting Tom, I might try to track down a couple of those Petersen Publications.

Your mention of 'Specials' in general has reminded of a conversation I had with another poster (m.tanney), initially regarding Herb Jordan's self-made 'Jordan Special'. Mr Mike Tanney went on to describe a cutaway of the Fergusson Formula Junior.

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It strikes me Tom, based on the specificity of your collection, that if you ever get time, you may well be able to help this poster out here. I have been searching in vain for sometime now (I can't think why I didn't mention this cutaway here before).


I can't help you on the Ferguson Formula Junior. I know that I have a few others sitting here on the Ferguson, but it would be the Ferguson F!, not a FJr.
The Jordan Special was akin to the Cooper, if I am not mistaken. The illustration was by Clarence LaTourette, and ran in the October, 1957 issue of Sports Car Illustrated, just to locate it in time for you.
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Posted 13 May 2010 - 18:12

:up: Thanks again Tom.

In that case, on behalf of m.tanney I propose a forum wide hunt (Or rather a keeping a look out) for the cutaway of said Fergusson Formula Junior. You never know.

If you ever come across a cutaway of a Fergusson Formula Junior (front drive, DKW engine), please post it. A member of the Fergusson family once told me that a cutaway was done "for one of the magazines" but I have never been able to find it.


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Posted 13 May 2010 - 18:59

Its. the tatraThomas


I think that the illustrtion that you refer to is actually of one of the (very) limited production of Crossley-Burney cars. Sir Dennistoun Burney (who was involved with the design of the R101(I think) airship produced a straight-eight Beverley-Barnes aero engined car a the Burney Streamliner. Crossley of Manchester was persuaded to develop and build a production version using one of thir six-cylinder engines again mounted at the rear. I do not know exactly how many were built but probably fewer than 50. One was stored in the basement of the Natonal Motor Museum for a number of years and I think was eventually passed to another museum (Science and Industry at Manchester?).



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Posted 13 May 2010 - 19:04

Its. the tatra
Thomas

Uhm.... look again !
I don't think Tatra ever had a model called the Crossley

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 19:59

Hi Duffer.
Impressive work. I beleive Ibsenop also work with Illustrator and he has done some incredable 4-way plans of cars.
I have told Ibsen some time he should draw the Jaguar XJ-13...but I understand he may not have the time. :)
(I have never seen a 4-way plan of the XJ-13).

At my job I have worked in Inventor for many years. (glaced in balconys). :)
When at school learning Inventor I had a Matra motor (1/12 scale in pieces-Tamiya) I measured and put it together in 3-D. It was amazing fun to see it take life on
the monitor. (I have my work on CD somewhere...no interior).

I have also drawn Porsche 550 Spyder...Porsche 718 RSK...Ferrari P3/412P (wich James Glickenhaus used as an inspiration rebuilding #0854...thankyou James) among others in AutoCad.

Well...I am bragging a bit...but this is one of the best threads here I think.

Please Duffer...show me more of your work.

Best.


Hi P4 Staff,

LOL! We used to use the old Tamiya kits for reference too! I still have the 1/12th Matra waiting to be built. I'd love to see your Porsche and P3/412P illustrations, as they are my favourite racers. If the Spyder build goes well the XJ-13 is literally next on my 1/8th hit list - so I may actually get round to drawing it myself! I spoke to the Jag museum guys a few years back at Goodwood and they were up for it! :)

I don't have that many cutaways any more, but I used to do a lot of brush gouache illustration. I did this one years ago at college but unfortunately, never finished it:

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Can post up more model bits if anyone is interested, but didn't want to go too far off thread!

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 21:21

Uhm.... look again !I don't think Tatra ever had a model called the Crossley


I am absolutely b****y certain that Tatra never had a model called Crossley! The original post was almost immediately followed by answers to the question posed and was also responded to by Eldougo as follows. it IS a Crossley-Burney of 1934 and is a really nice drawing.

QUOTE (werks prototype @ Feb 21 2010, 22:13) Yep , I had to search but I found it to, Crossley 2litre 'Burney'. I was going to plump for a Merc at first.

Yep you both right ,its a 1934 Crossley-Burney ,15.7 hp 6 cyl 2 liter and a pre selector gearbox ,very unconventional and only a few where ever made.

Sorry, should have checked the original post from February 21st before replying but response done from memory as I love the obscure and this vehicle from the 1930s is one of the more interesting of what the late Michael Sedgwick called "lost causes of motoring"!


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Posted 14 May 2010 - 07:32

a French racer 500 built by Mister Pages with a 4 hp Renault in 1951
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a French racer 500 built by Mister Pages with a 4 hp Renault in 1951
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Le Magnifique unique! :up:

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 17:57

a French racer 500 built by Mister Pages with a 4 hp Renault in 1951
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Very interesting !, where is that from ? Would you have an accompanying article or other info on this Mister Pages ?
Suspension medium at the rear = torsion bars ?

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 18:44

First prototype of Tucker "Torpedo" , six flat Franklin aviation engine, Magazine Special-Interest Autos, Design by Nattan.
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First prototype of Tucker "Torpedo" , six flat Franklin aviation engine, Magazine Special-Interest Autos, Design by Nattan.
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I think it might be Brian Hatton.


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Posted 14 May 2010 - 19:24

It is Brian Hatton.


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#4940 macoran

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 21:15

First prototype of Tucker "Torpedo" , six flat Franklin aviation engine, Magazine Special-Interest Autos, Design by Nattan.
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Would you have more of that Tucker story ?


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Posted 14 May 2010 - 22:52

This one is a humdinger
Not only a beauty, no need for my chit-chat either
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Posted 15 May 2010 - 00:54

Brabham BT52 cutaway by Bruno Betti.

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 09:50

Great stuff as usual from both Macoran and Ibsen. :up:

Ibsen, what is the source for all these Betti F1 cars? + Is there a Tyrrell Cosworth 001 in amongst them?

Edited by werks prototype, 15 May 2010 - 19:15.


#4944 Motocar

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 14:59

Would you have more of that Tucker story ?

This prototype the Tucker Torppedo is very diferent of definitive model, diferent gear box, in prototype hidraulic torque and gear box semiautomatic in preseries model...... sorry mi poor english


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Posted 15 May 2010 - 19:18

Brabham BT46 Alfa Romeo by Bruno Betti

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WP, the sources of almost all my copies of Betti F1's are Quattroruote (monthly - not the best paper and print, ugly and colourful backgrounds - have to remove them all) and Quattroruote Speciale Sport - early 70's to mid 80's. Earlier Betti F1's are from Enciclopédia do Automóvel (Brasil).

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 19:22

Alfa Romeo BT46 by Bruno Betti

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WP, the sources of almost all my copies of Betti F1's are Quattroruote (monthly - not the best paper and print, ugly and colourful backgrounds - have to remove them all) and Quattroruote Speciale Sport - early 70's to mid 80's. Earlier Betti F1's are from Enciclopédia do Automóvel (Brasil).


:up: Thanks Ibsen. I assume that the Quattroruote Speciale Sport is sort of a compilation of the monthly editions? I wonder also is there a Tyrrell 001 from Betti coming up? I know you are not taking requests here, but these are getting better and better.

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#4947 ibsenop

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 20:08

WP,
Quattroruote Speciale Sport was (is?) an annual edition.
I have the 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1990 and 1993 issues.
No Tyrrell 001 by Betti on my archives and I never saw one.

Edited by ibsenop, 15 May 2010 - 20:09.


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Posted 15 May 2010 - 22:00

I wonder also is there a Tyrrell 001 from Betti coming up?

I can't help either, apart from the Bill Bennett 001 which has already been aired...I only have this d'Alessio
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Posted 15 May 2010 - 22:29

I can't help either, apart from the Bill Bennett 001 which has already been aired...I only have this d'Alessio
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I wonder which medium was used here. Watercolour (Sans water), Pastel or Gouche? It's certainly a character full thing. :up:

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 07:00

Very interesting !, where is that from ? Would you have an accompanying article or other info on this Mister Pages ?
Suspension medium at the rear = torsion bars ?

Marc,you find herewith the original document from "l'automobile magasine de fevrier 1951",i have find it in the autodiva forum.
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