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[Barry Boor]

There is a degree of confusion here.

The only evidence I can find regarding that Reims race in 1957 has Menditeguy as #32.

I just wonder if Barrie is sure about the #46 and if so, where did he get that information.

[Barrie Hobkirk]

Hi Barry,

Just counted. Pictures, not rivets. I have 22 pictures of the #46 V-12 car at Reims that weekend. Unfortunately I cannot post any for obvious reasons but they are definitely Reims. The garages, the grandstands, the tyre emmulating bridge, its all there. Either behind or flashing by.

The following site is hosting a picture of the #46 V-12 back at the Factory following the Reims GP. It is sitting along side the newer "offset" driveline car #10 chassis 2531 used in Reims practice.

http://www.eonet.ne....ry/history1.htm

Ahhh! I see you are sifting through Sheldon's work again with your number 32 reference. Although a masterful piece of work assembling literally a hundred thousand scraps of information, it unfortunately has many errors. A reasonable starting point but if anyone is serious, back it up by digging through old magazines, books or head off to the library.

Number 32 at Reims was chassis 2515 owned by Ottorino Volonterio. He practiced it as did the unfortunate Herbert Mackay Fraser.

None of the V-12 cars ever ran with the number 32. In fact #32 was only ever used three other times on a 250F in 1957. Ivo Bueb at the British GP on the old Gilby car and both Fangio's Monaco cars.

Hope that helps. Keep those models coming Barry.

Cheers,
Barrie

[dretceterini]

How many 250 photos do you have now? BTW, I think everyone would agree that you should be awared the Official title International Director of Automotive Rivet Counting Anoraks, Inc.

[Barrie Hobkirk]

dretceterini,

At the last serious count I did, I was over 20,000 and that was a year and bit ago.
Always the same story though. More than enough of Fangio's 250F at the 1957 Nurburgring (122) but never enough of Ruggero Peruzzo's 250F at the 1960 Barra da Tijuca (1) but I shall keep looking.
Thankyou for the IDARCAI title. I shall wear it with dignity.

Barry,
The following Maserati Corse site has better quality and more pictures of the V-12 pair following the Reims race.

http://www.maseratic...10003&idsitm=GN

Enjoy.

Cheers,
Barrie

[Bjorn Kjer]

I allow myself to take the opportunity to clear another Maserati "mess" :

1962 Maserati T151 , 3 build for LeMans , 2 for Cunningham ( both to US after LM , 1 chrashed in 63 , other still lives). 1 for Simone .
1963 T151/1 , the Simone car is modified with a larger engine and some bodyparts.
1964 T151/3 , the Simone car gets a new low sleek body ,unlike the 62/63 version,as well as new chassis ,but same number(151.002).
1965 T151/4 , the Simone car now white and altered engine , destroyed in LM pre practice with Casner getting killed. Info from M.Bollee,Maserati T151 , Last monster from Modena.

Thanks to Barrie for the Maseraticorse tip , also gave me another transporter pix.

[Barry Boor]

Barrie - thank you so much for clearing that one up. My info is not from Sheldon but rather, our own Darren Galpin's site. I shall alert Darren to this error.

to Brumm, for a change!

[Barry Boor]

As a follow-up to the last few posts, I wonder if we can clear up the car numbers from the Reims race.

I see that Darren's site has the following Maserati numbers:

12 - Behra
14 - Schell
16 - Godia-Sales
18 - Gregory
20 - Bueb
22 - Piotti
32 - Menditeguy
34 - Halford
36 - Bonnier
40 - Gould
42 - MacKay-Fraser

So how many of these are actually wrong?

[Barrie Hobkirk]

Hi again Barry,

These are from photographs.

Practice
T - Fangio 2526
10 - Behra 2531 V-12
10 - Schell 2531 V-12
10 - Fangio 2531 V-12
12 - Schell 2501
12 - Behra 2501
12 - Fangio 2501
14 - Schell 2529
14 - Fangio 2529
16 - Godia 2524
18 - Gregory 2502/11
20 - Bueb 2507/23/22
22 - Piotti 2519
32 - Volonterio 2515
32 - Fraser 2515
34 - Halford 2504
36 - Bonnier 2505
44 - Gould 2514
46 - Schell 2522/23 V-12
46 - Menditeguy 2522/23 V-12

Race
10 - Fangio 2526
12 - Behra 2501
14 - Schell 2529
16 - Godia 2524
18 - Gregory 2502/11
20 - Bueb 2507/23/22
22 - Piotti 2519
34 - Halford 2504
36 - Bonnier 2505
44 - Gould 2514
46 - Menditeguy 2522/23 V-12

Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Barrie

[David McKinney]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
As a follow-up to the last few posts, I wonder if we can clear up the car numbers from the Reims race.

I see that Darren's site has the following Maserati numbers:

12 - Behra
14 - Schell
16 - Godia-Sales
18 - Gregory
20 - Bueb
22 - Piotti
32 - Menditeguy
34 - Halford
36 - Bonnier
40 - Gould
42 - MacKay-Fraser

So how many of these are actually wrong?

The last one's wrong because the driver's surname was Fraser ;)