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#1 Alan Cox

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 08:18

Having enjoyed the "Personal photos from the paddock/track" threads, I thought that one from the hills might revive a few fond memories.

Here is a selection from Barbon hillclimb in 1967/8

Posted Image Martin Brain Cooper/BRM

Posted Image Martin Brain's Cooper

Posted Image Martin Brain again, this time with his Cooper-Chrysler

Posted Image John Cussins with the 4WD BRM

Posted Image Jack Maurice, Ferrari 250LM

Posted Image Peter Lawson, 4WD BRM

Posted Image Phil Scragg on the line with his Lola T70

Posted Image Not Barbon, but Klausen 1998. Pirro with the V16 Auto Union

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#2 ian senior

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 08:49

Abolsutely wonderful - thanks, Alan. I remember all those cars from Harewood at around the same time. Martin Brain's Cooper-Chrysler struck me as being HUGE, but it was probably just the first impression from seeing those serious-looking exhausts. I'd love to see another picture of Phil Scragg's Lola T70 with its odd bodywork. And whatever happened to Peter Lawson- I think he decided to take to the circuits after he won the hillclimb championship, but didn't he have an accident that put a stop to his racing ambitions?

As always with these kind of pictures, I love the background too - especially the scabby looking early Sunbeam Alpine!

#3 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 09:10

Any chance of a larger scan of the Cooper-Chrysler?

I'd like to identify which engine it's running...

Good thread, by the way, I'll have to find my pic of Barrie Garner's Bowin.

#4 GIGLEUX

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 09:22

Alan, wonderful pictures; but as the Cooper-BRMS were auctioned in mid 1969 don't you think it was in a 1969 or later event?

#5 Alan Cox

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 10:26

Could be, Jean-Maurice. I can't find the programme, damn it. And yes, Ian, I recall that I could stuff my arm down the Cooper's exhaust!

#6 Alan Cox

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 13:11

The only other pic I have of Phil Scragg's Lola T70 - sorry it's so far away, I was only a schoolboy at the time, practising with my Zorki4!

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#7 Stephen W

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 14:43

Nice shots Alan. The one of JACK Maurice in the Ferrari is of course taken as he returns to the paddock from the holding bay at the top of the hill - Richmond Bend?

Judging from the first two photographs they got far better attendances in 1969 - colour photos - than they do now - that's looking at the cars in the car parks.

The shot of Phil Scragg going off the line is interesting as the trees on the outside of the first corner (Crabtree) which were removed in the '90s kept that corner quiet damp until late on in the day.

The additional shot of Scragg approaching Lafone Hairpin must have been taken early in the day judging by the lack of crowds at the top of the hill.

Martin Brain first appeared in a British Hillclimb Championship run-off with the Cooper BRM on 15th June 1969 at Doune. I seem to recollect that he took the BRM engined device to Barbon on the 31st May 1969 but was sidelined with mechanical problems.

The shot of Lawson in the BRM was in 1968 whilst Cussins was in the car in '69 and '70.

I must start scanning in some of my early shots!!! :cool:

#8 Allen Brown

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 15:58

Oh, oh, oh. I am just soooo happy!

#9 Allen Brown

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 15:59

Ahem. Sorry about that little outburst. Quite lost my gravitas for a moment.

#10 Stephen W

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 18:28

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Ahem. Sorry about that little outburst. Quite lost my gravitas for a moment.


I wondered what that clinking sound was!;)

#11 Alan Cox

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 18:52

Thanks for your fullsome commentary on the various posted pics, Stephen. I never did know the names of half the corners at Barbon!

#12 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 23:49

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Oh, oh, oh. I am just soooo happy!


Just wait till I find the Barrie Garner pic... or have you already got that?

#13 Allen Brown

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 23:55

Originally posted by Ray Bell


Just wait till I find the Barrie Garner pic... or have you already got that?

Nope. Rennmax?

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#14 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 01:44

Bowin P3 with Holden 6 in the back...

A unique openwheeler.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 08:41

Jonty Williamson's ex-van Lennep TS11

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John McCartney's P153

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Colin Andrews' ex-Rollinson TS8

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Tony Griffiths' ex-Stommelen, Charlton, Schenken, Hill & Fittipaldi W BT33

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Roy Lane's GM1

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John Cussins' B32

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#16 Stephen W

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 09:46

Nice ones Twinny! :wave:

Let me see, Shelsley Walsh 1975.

Pics 1 & 2 - Johnty Williamson's Surtees TS11
Pics 3 & 4 - John McCartney's BRM P153 - NB in Pic 3 that's John by the back wheel tinkering
Pics 5 & 6 - It's a Surtees TS8 so it could be Stephen Cuff at the wheel
Pics 7 & 8 - Tony Griffiths' Brabham BT33
Pic 9 - Roy Lane's fabulous McRae
Pic 10 - John Cussins' Chevron B32

Keep 'em coming!

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#17 Twin Window

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 09:50

Originally posted by Stephen W

Nice ones Twinny! :wave:

Let me see, Shelsley Walsh 1975.

Sorry, Steve - I was adding the captions at the same time as you were doing it for me!

Yep; SW August 1975 - the only time I'd been before last July! Unfortunately, I don't think I've got any more pics from the day, but I'll check at the weekend.

#18 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 09:51

Some excellent examples of 'sledgehammers cracking peanuts' there, Twinny!

And how about those people sitting blandly ignoring McCartney and Cuff taking off with all that horsepower!

#19 David Lawson

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 11:04

Not up to the very high standard being set here but these are very nostalgic photographs for me, these are the very first motor sport pictures I ever took.

All the family went to this hill climb at the Easter weekend while on holiday in Cornwall in 1962. I can't remember the venue as I was 10 at the time but I think it was near Penzance. Would anyone here know the hill and if it is still in use?

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Both cars here are in the peanut category.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 11:32

If it is Penzance area it could be Trengwainton, but I thought that had a poorer surface

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 11:46

I remember visiting a very similar-looking hill whilst spannering during one of the Charrington RAC Historic rallies in the early 90's. I'll look it up when I get home.

A Lotus Elite and a 500....peanuts David ??

#22 Stephen W

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 12:09

Originally posted by David Lawson
Not up to the very high standard being set here but these are very nostalgic photographs for me, these are the very first motor sport pictures I ever took.

David


David, excellent photos! :clap: Compared to many I have seen from that era they are as good if not better. At this time I was struggling with a plastic Kodak Brownie taking black and white pics in the paddock! :lol:

I think the '500' Cooper could well be Wally Cuff in the 1 litre Hell's Hammer! :cool:

Cornish venues:

Trengwainton - fallen out of use.
Tregrehan (2 miles east of St Austell) - still used
Werrington Park (1 mile north west of Launceston) - still used

Plus the new hill near Lostwithiel - Castle Hill

Like other posters I suspect it is Trengwainton.

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#23 RS2000

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 12:34

Definitely Trengwainton. I was attempting to post a photo from there yesterday but Image Shack was taking too long.
Hill lost to National Trust (although someone told me an individual in the MSA had already taken against it because of limited stopping distance at top).
The Elite photo has appeared before somewhere on line?

#24 RS2000

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 14:20

Trengwainton August 1966
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#25 RS2000

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 14:27

Same car?
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#26 RS2000

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 14:32

Trengwainton paddock August 1966. Driver Margaret Cooper (the same Margaret Cooper who became Margaret Blankstone??)
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#27 RS2000

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 14:39

Exhausts suggest Daimler Dart V8 engine?
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 14:43

Originally posted by Stephen W


David, excellent photos! :clap: Compared to many I have seen from that era they are as good if not better. At this time I was struggling with a plastic Kodak Brownie taking black and white pics in the paddock! :lol:

I think the '500' Cooper could well be Wally Cuff in the 1 litre Hell's Hammer! :cool:

Cornish venues:

Trengwainton - fallen out of use.
Tregrehan (2 miles east of St Austell) - still used
Werrington Park (1 mile north west of Launceston) - still used

Plus the new hill near Lostwithiel - Castle Hill

Like other posters I suspect it is Trengwainton.

:wave:



The 1 litre 'Hells Hammer' Cooper is now in the hands of Cooper racer Brian Jollife and makes the occasional outing.

#29 Stephen W

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 16:05

Originally posted by RS2000
Exhausts suggest Daimler Dart V8 engine?
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I think you are right. I does look very Daimlerish!

By the way what were the cadets tipped for? :rotfl:

Or was this just a smoke screen to stop the Scouts winning?

#30 David Lawson

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 19:30

Thanks very much for identifying the venue and the specific Cooper, I can't locate Trengwainton on my map could someone please advise which is the nearest town or village.

I think I have some other slides from that hill climb once I've found them and if they're half decent I'll scan and post them here.

I might have posted my Elite photograph in the past, I think there was a thread about peoples first motor racing meeting - it was probably in that.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 20:41

Trengwaiton is well known for his gardens.... (if we'are spoking about the same)

In that case it is situated near Penzance (Cornwall)

and may be HERE

FOrgive me in case of error... just trying to get the things moving on ;)

#32 Alan Cox

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 22:00

Some lovely stuff coming through - thanks to Stephen for checking out his infallible records etc..
I shall search out some other odds and ends this weekend.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 22:12

Useful sites for S West hills etc

http://www.patjennings.com

or http://www.aswmc.org.uk

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#34 RS2000

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 22:44

About one and a half miles west-northwest of Penzance and to southwest of Madron.

Tregrehan of course also has it's own gardens and is very close to the Eden Project "as the crow flies" (but probably miles away if the crow had to walk there on public roads...)

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 23:47

I've found my other pics from SW 1975, scanned them, and they're really, really poor...

Apart from this one, which is ok;

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Unfortunately, the others are not only dreadful quality (like this)...

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... they're also of cars I'd already photographed & posted.

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#36 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 01:52

Originally posted by Alan Cox
Some lovely stuff coming through - thanks to Stephen for checking out his infallible records etc..
I shall search out some other odds and ends this weekend.


I might be harping on the subject a little, Alan, but I'd just love to be able to get a closer look at the engine in that Cooper Chrysler...

Any chance?

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 03:14

Originally posted by RS2000
About one and a half miles west-northwest of Penzance and to southwest of Madron.

Tregrehan of course also has it's own gardens and is very close to the Eden Project "as the crow flies" (but probably miles away if the crow had to walk there on public roads...)

Sorry no photos to post, but you can watch the following on TV if you are in OZ.
"Aidensfield hosts a hill climb every few years. The event attracts competitors from far and near.
Even Vernon makes a surprise entry in a hill climb car he discovered in his chicken shed".
Muck and Brass
Heartbeat - 7:30pm tonight on Seven - Eastern OZ

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 11:15

Originally posted by Alan Cox
Having enjoyed the "Personal photos from the paddock/track" threads, I thought that one from the hills might revive a few fond memories.

Here is a selection from Barbon hillclimb in 1967/8

Posted Image Martin Brain's Cooper


Absolutely fantastic images Alan.. :up:

The track and the rims on the Brain Cooper are appreciably wider than the GP counterpart....a one off?? :confused:

As with all period shots, the backgrounds are equally interesting...Lotus Cortina, Mini and Simca Aronde for example :wave:

#39 RS2000

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 11:25

Another from Trengwainton Aug 66
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Posted 28 January 2006 - 11:28

Another late lamented west country hill - Cricket St Thomas. Photo from mid 90s.

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 11:34

Cricket St Thomas, mid 90s, passing the entrance to the "Manor" of the TV Series "To the Manor Born". Low grip and tight, narrow course meant the faster road saloons were closer in times to the fastest clubman cars allowed by the track licence than at any other speed venue.

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#42 Alan Cox

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 14:03

Ray, if you let me have an email address I shall send a jpeg to you.

#43 Stephen W

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 14:10

Originally posted by RS2000
Another from Trengwainton Aug 66
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Nice Allard bustling out of the Hairpin.

#44 Stephen W

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 14:12

Originally posted by RS2000
Another late lamented west country hill - Cricket St Thomas. Photo from mid 90s.

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OK, is it a genuine C-Type or a Proteous?

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 14:31

Great stuff !
I recall scruting John McCartney's BRM at a Mid Cheshire or Lancs + Cheshire Baitings Dam meeting !

#46 RS2000

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 16:14

Originally posted by Stephen W


OK, is it a genuine C-Type or a Proteous?


Pretty sure Proteous, although believe was actually entered as XK120 in programme.

#47 Alan Cox

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 19:17

Here is a batch from Loton Park - I'll wait for Stephen W to fill in the date!


First one is Alan Richards' Surtees TS8
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Sir Nick Williamson - March 741
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David Render's Lotus 76
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David Franklin - March 742
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Chris Cramer - March 76A
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Roy Lane - McRae GM1
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#48 Allen Brown

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 19:23

Fabulous. Could I get larger scans of those please Alan? There are three cars there that I haven't seen before - at least not in colour.

Thanks

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#49 Stephen W

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Posted 29 January 2006 - 10:07

Originally posted by Alan Cox
Here is a batch from Loton Park - I'll wait for Stephen W to fill in the date!


It looks very much like a Hagley and District Light Car Club test day. Probably March 1976.

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#50 Alan Cox

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Posted 29 January 2006 - 11:04

Close, Stephen - it was, actually, "race" day, 19th April 1976.