Osella
#1
Posted 04 April 2001 - 18:54
GP started 11
Wins 0
Pole positions 0
Fastest laps 0
I was told the engine was actually an Alfa Romeo, why was it called an Osella?
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#2
Posted 04 April 2001 - 20:28
Megatron was BMW, don´t you recall?
Minardi´s European/Fondmetal are Ford Cosworths.
Osella took over the Alfa engine after they had lost interest.
In effect it was a cheap way of getting engines for 1988.
#3
Posted 04 April 2001 - 23:00
The first Osella was a stunner in my opinion.
#4
Posted 05 April 2001 - 00:16
picture courtesy FORIX
#5
Posted 05 April 2001 - 01:48
#6
Posted 05 April 2001 - 04:17
#7
Posted 05 April 2001 - 09:06
#8
Posted 05 April 2001 - 10:02
The picture of the 1980 Osella shows indeed Cheever, butr at that stage they were Cosworth powered.
#9
Posted 05 April 2001 - 12:33
#10
Posted 05 April 2001 - 14:29
If I can find it again I will post the proof here.
#11
Posted 05 April 2001 - 15:38
#12
Posted 06 April 2001 - 15:52
Didn't Eddie get the drive because he drove for the team the previous year in F2 ?
Yes, in 1979, Enzo Osella transformed an old Osella Chassis, which was very thin, into a "WING CAR". Initially, it even had the double wishbone front suspension with external damper-coils (latter changed to an internal damper suspension).
It was orange, sponsored by Beta Tools, equipped with Pirelli tyres and won three races with Cheever, two of them in the rain.
Carlos
#13
Posted 06 April 2001 - 18:15
And all the remaining engines.
#14
Posted 13 April 2004 - 21:52
Can anybody help me with a problem I have?????
It is about the Osella cars in 1986. According to my resources Osella used the FA1G in most of the races, and they used a FA1H in a few races late in the season.
I have pictures of the FA1G and I discovered some pictures of the FA1H and the differences between the two are clear.
But when I searced www.forix.com I saw two pictures of Osella cars in Imola in San Marino. One with Piercarlo Ghinzani and one with Christian Danner. According to Forix both the cars are FA1G's. But the two cars are very different. The car that Danner is driving looks alot like the FA1H, but that car made his debut in Paul Ricard with Ghinzani.
(I can't place the pictures. I don't know how)
Can anybody tell me about the Osella cars in 1986?????????
thanks,
Lotus79
#15
Posted 13 April 2004 - 22:01
#16
Posted 13 April 2004 - 22:07
according to my sources (the french magazine "sport-auto" and the spanish motorsport yearbook by Javier del Arco), both cars were FA1G.
Carles.
#17
Posted 13 April 2004 - 22:27
It is a shame that I can't post the pictures. But on Forix you can see them. Danner drove the car also in Monaco.
#18
Posted 23 April 2004 - 23:45
1986 GHINZANI DANNER BERG CAFFI T-car ----------------- ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ Brazil FA1F/1 FA1G/1 Spain FA1F/1 FA1G/1 San Marino (*) FA1F/1 FA1G/1 Monaco FA1F/1 FA1G/1 Belgium FA1F/1 FA1H/1 FA1G/1 Canada FA1F/1 FA1H/1 FA1G/1 USA (*) FA1H/1 FA1G/1 FA1F/1 France FA1H/1 FA1G/1 FA1F/2 Great Britain FA1H/1 FA1G/1 FA1F/2 Germany FA1G/1 FA1F/1 Hungary FA1G/1 FA1F/1 Austria FA1G/1 FA1F/1 Italy FA1G/1 FA1F/1 Portugal FA1G/1 FA1F/1 Mexico FA1G/1 FA1F/1 Australia FA1G/1 FA1F/1(*) : I=m not sure about San Marino and USA, as Autosprint simply wrote "chassis as usual".
As you already wrote, FA1H was seen for the first time at Imola, but not used; its debut was at Spa and it was destroyed at Great Britain, in the crash at first start. Note that even at Monaco (so after it was seen for the first time) there were rumors it could have Motori Moderni engine, rather than old Alfa Romeo V8, but this never happened.
I have also some doubt about FA1F/2 (T-car in France and Great Britain) : I wonder if it's true or - as I guess - simply the usual FA1F/1 mistyped.
Ciao,
Guido
#19
Posted 24 April 2004 - 09:41
I have added what I have from Sheldon's Black Book Vol 12 and from Autosport. Maybe this only confuses the issues, as I can't find a single race where all agree on all cars. In Italy they can't even agree on drivers - Sheldon having missed the Berg - Caffi switch...Originally posted by gdecarli
According to Autosprint:1986 GHINZANI DANNER BERG CAFFI T-car ----------------- ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ Brazil FA1F/1 FA1G/1 Sheldon FA1G-2 FA1G-1 Autosport FA1G/85-02 FA1G/85-01 Spain FA1F/1 FA1G/1 Sheldon FA1F-1 FA1G-1 Autosport FA1G/85-02 FA1G/85-01 San Marino (*) FA1F/1 FA1G/1 Sheldon FA1G-2 FA1G-1 Autosport FA1G/85-02 FA1G/85-01 Monaco FA1F/1 FA1G/1 Sheldon FA1H-1 FA1G-1 Autosport FA1G/85-02 FA1G/85-01 Belgium FA1F/1 FA1H/1 FA1G/1 Sheldon FA1G-1 FA1H-1 FA1F-1 Autosport FA1G-2 FA1H-1 Canada FA1F/1 FA1H/1 FA1G/1 Sheldon FA1G-1 FA1H-1 FA1F-1 Autosport FA1G/85-G02 FA1G/85-H01 USA (*) FA1H/1 FA1G/1 FA1F/1 Sheldon FA1G-2 FA1H-1 FA1F-1 Autosport FA1G/85-G02 FA1G/85-H01 France FA1H/1 FA1G/1 FA1F/2 Sheldon FA1G-2 FA1H-1 FA1F-1 Autosport FA1G/85-G02 FA1G/85-H01 Great Britain FA1H/1 FA1G/1 FA1F/2 Sheldon FA1H-1 FA1G-2 FA1F-1 Autosport FA1H/3 FA1H/85-2 Germany FA1G/1 FA1F/1 Sheldon FA1H-1 FA1G-2 FA1F-1 Autosport FA1H/3 FA1H/85-? Hungary FA1G/1 FA1F/1 Sheldon FA1H-1 FA1G-2 FA1F-1 Autosport FA1H-03 FA1H-02 Austria FA1G/1 FA1F/1 Sheldon FA1H-1 FA1G-2 FA1F-1 Autosport FA1G/85-03 FA1G/85-02 Italy FA1G/1 FA1F/1 Sheldon FA1H-1 FA1G-2 FA1F-1 Autosport FA1G/85-A03 FA1G/85-A02 Portugal FA1G/1 FA1F/1 Sheldon FA1H-1 FA1G-2 FA1F-1 Autosport FA1G/85-A03 FA1G/85-A02 Mexico FA1G/1 FA1F/1 Sheldon FA1H-1 FA1G-2 Autosport FA1F/85-A01 FA1G/85-A01 Australia FA1G/1 FA1F/1 Sheldon FA1H-1 FA1G-2 Autosport FA1G/85-03 FA1G/85-02(*) : I=m not sure about San Marino and USA, as Autosprint simply wrote "chassis as usual".
As you already wrote, FA1H was seen for the first time at Imola, but not used; its debut was at Spa and it was destroyed at Great Britain, in the crash at first start. Note that even at Monaco (so after it was seen for the first time) there were rumors it could have Motori Moderni engine, rather than old Alfa Romeo V8, but this never happened.
I have also some doubt about FA1F/2 (T-car in France and Great Britain) : I wonder if it's true or - as I guess - simply the usual FA1F/1 mistyped.
Ciao,
Guido
The price for most imagniative designations must go to Autosport for FA1G/85-H01, that may be taken to mean a FA1G of 1985 vintage, c/n 01, uprated to 'H' spec.... which, come to think about it, may well be the truth... so what then is a FA1G/85-A01?? (Did I hear someone say... Merzario...?)
I have added what Autosport said about Osella in their practice reports, which, to no one's great surprise, weren't that much... :
Brazil: Osella resurrected their old Alfa Romeo-powered FA1G chassis with two different bodywok options on each, although after considerable engine troubles throughout the weekend neither Christian Danner nor Piercarlo Ghinzani were too concerned about any differences between their chassis. Just keeping them running were their major concern.
Spain: At the back, not surprisingly, were the Osellas of Ghinzani and Danner, which at least circulated with reasonable regularity,...
San Marino: To no one's great suprise, the Osellas of Danner and Ghinzani wwere right at the back, Piercarlo losing any hope of improving in the last session when his engine quit after only half a lap. There was an incomplete version of the the Motori-Moderni engined Osella to be seen in the Italian team's pit, but its debut seems some way off...
Monaco: After the first day Piercarlo Ghinzani was into the top 20 with his venerable Osella-Alfa, very much a contender for any bravery award going, and I was sad that his 1-27.2 justs failed to get him in.
Belgium: And at the back, to no one's surprise, were the Osellas of Ghinzani (who blew up on his first Saturday run) and Danner (who blew up on his second Saturday... etc.) Christian's car was actually new, being the one intended to take the Motori Moderni V6, which Osella are currently unable to afford. For Spa, therefore, both cars were powered anew by the Alfa Romeo V8 - the engine which took de Cesaris into a far distant lead in this race only three years ago.
Canada: ...and the last four slots were filled by the Zakspeeds and the Osellas.
USA: No man in this business works so hard for so little as Piercarlo Ghinzani, and at Detroit he scored a small personal triumph by heading the Italian 'B' teams in qualifying, as brave as can be in the ratty Osella-Alfa.
...
Replacing Danner in the Osella team, Allen Berg looked frankly out of his depht during the opening day, but then who would choose that car and this circuit for their Formula 1 debut? However, the Canadian worked away, and on Saturday, running qualifiers for the first time, found more than eight seconds to move within a respecable three of Ghinzani. In doing so, he edged himself from the bottom of the lists,...
France: ...and the final row, to no one's surprise, comprised the Osellas of Piercarlo Ghinzani and Allen Berg. The young Canadian had a wretched introduction to Ricard, sitting out most of Friday morning after two fuel filters ruptured, and breaking a turbo almost at once in the afternoon.
Britain: Ghinzani's Osella was between the Zakspeeds, and team mate Berg, as ususal, was at the back. The young Canadian missed the final session altogether, having heavily shunted his car at Druids early in the Saturday morning session, causing it briefly to be stopped.
Germany: ...and the Osellas - as usual - were at the back. Piercarlo Ghinzani missed the first timed session (having blown up in the morning), and the luckless Allen Berg missed Saturday altogether. Having crashed on Friday afternoon, he needed new rear suspension bits for his car. The team had no spares with them, and replacement from Italy failed to arrive in time.
Hungary: Ghinzani did his usual sterling job in the ratty Osella-Alfa, proceeding smokingly to 23rd spot, but the luckless Berg was right at the back one more, his transmission breaking within a couple of hundred yards of the pits as he came out to begin the last session.
Austria: ...and at the back, inevitably, were the Osellas of Ghinzani and Berg.
Italy: Behind him on the grid were the Osellas of Piercarlo Ghinzani and ... Alex Caffi...
According to the entry list the second car should have been driven, as usual, by Allen Berg, but financial considerations came into play - and with them Caffi.
There were no complaints about the young Italian F3 man. Indeed, he did a competent job in the car, showed good track manners in keeping out of the way. But inevitably his inclusion in the team raised questions about FISA's Superlicence system. It is, M. Balestre, a strange one which lets in Caffi (even if he did win the FIA Trophy at Paul Ricard), and keeps out Michael Andretti, whom Carl Haas wanted to run at Detroit. Ah, but of course, he's a CART man, isn't he? And here was I, thinking that proven competence was the criterion...
Caffi, 27th fastest, theoretically failed to qualify. But rules in motor racing are malleable things, and after all he was an Italian in Italy. The other constructors raised no objections to his starting. Doubtless, they would have adopted the same Christian attitude if it had been wet on Saturday, when Alboreto has his one and only shot at qualifying...
Portugal: Ghinzani put on his usual display of unsung heroism in the Osella-Alfa, qualifying 24th, but Allen Berg - back in the team with Labatts backing for the rest of the year - was always the man most likely to miss the cut.
Mexico: Ghinzani and Berg brought up the rear with their Osellas, Ghinzani bettering Berg's best by 2.5secs, when the Canadian failed to improve on his time because of a broken throttle cable.
Australia: At the back, need it be said, were the Osella-Alfas of Ghinzani and Berg, Piercarlo blowing up on Friday before he had managed a single flying lap.
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#20
Posted 24 April 2004 - 10:46
I wanted to add this to your tables, but when I use the "quote" button the table lay-out gets completely messed up (just one space between items)
It was mentioned somewhere how you could do it, but I can't find it back...
Could one of you PM or mail me with an explanation how to create a nice table or point me to that old thread? Thanks!
Anyway: data from the Autocourse Annual:
Car Specifications:
* Osella FA1F: number of chassis built: 2
* Osella FA1G: number of chassis built: 2
* Osella FA1H: number of chassis built: 2
Chassis Logbook:
Continued with 1985 models.
[FA1F]
01
For Ghinzani at Rio, Jerez, Imola, Monaco, Spa, Montreal and Detroit.
Spare car at Paul Ricard.
For Berg at Hockenheim, Budapest and the Österreichring.
For Caffi at Monza.
For Berg at Estoril, Mexico City and Adelaide.
[FA1G]
01
For Danner at Rio, Jerez, Imola and Monaco.
Spare car at Spa.
For Berg at Paul Ricard and Brands Hatch.
For Ghinzani at Hockenheim, Budapest, the Österreichring, Monza, Estoril, Mexico and Adelaide.
Introduced new design (FA1H) in Belgium.
[FA1H]
01
New for Danner at Spa.
For Danner at Montreal.
For Berg at Detroit.
For Ghinzani at Paul Ricard and Brands Hatch (crashed and written off)
#21
Posted 24 April 2004 - 11:13
Rio
Run two cars, Christian Danner joining Ghinzani who goes back to the team with which he made his Grand Prix debut.
Use Alfa Romeo engines while waiting for Motori Moderni units.
Old car for Ghinzani; more recent car for Danner.
Jerez
Nothing new.
Imola
Unveiled an unfinished chassis with new suspension (pullrod) and revised aerodynamics and bodywork.
Monaco
No sign of new car. Plans for use of Motori Moderni engine appeared to have fallen through.
Spa
Danner used older chassis in preference to new car which was completely unsorted. New car fitted with rear suspension similar to Lotus's 1985 specification.
Montreal
Did not use new car.
Detroit
No change.
Paul Ricard
Ghinzani raced new car.
Brands Hatch
Nothing new.
Hockenheim
Ghinzani's car fitted with the rear suspension and gearbox from new car destroyed at Brands Hatch.
Budapest
Modified bodywork and rear aerodynamics to make Ghinzani's car similar to new car destroyed at Brands Hatch.
the Österreichring
No change.
Monza
No change.
Estoril
* no comments for Osella this time *
Mexico
* no comments for Osella this time *
Adelaide
No changes. Enzo Osella absent.
#22
Posted 24 April 2004 - 13:08
A little trick: you can work on tables using Windows Notepad (or Microsoft Word using Courier font), then you paste and copy in your post inside a [ code ] [ /code ] tag (of course without spaces between brackets).Originally posted by Gert
I wanted to add this to your tables, but when I use the "quote" button the table lay-out gets completely messed up (just one space between items)
Thanks for your info!
Ciao,
Guido
#23
Posted 24 April 2004 - 14:16
I always had a feeling that the most of the 1986 San Marino pictures on Forix were taken in testing, not actually during the Grand Prix weekend. Just take a look at the empty grandstands in some of the images! I don't know when the teams did test at Imola, but I suspect some time before the San Marino GP itself. (Perhaps we should ask the photographer! His E-mail address is gemp@comunic.it) BTW I checked the entry list on Forix and it has FA1F for Ghinzani and FA1G for Danner which seems to be correct.Originally posted by lotus79
But when I searced www.forix.com I saw two pictures of Osella cars in Imola in San Marino. One with Piercarlo Ghinzani and one with Christian Danner. According to Forix both the cars are FA1G's. But the two cars are very different. The car that Danner is driving looks alot like the FA1H, but that car made his debut in Paul Ricard with Ghinzani.
#24
Posted 24 April 2004 - 14:27
I think you checked Hodges' "A-Z of Formula Racing Cars", but I have his newer "A-Z of Grand Prix Cars" which gives a more detailed view of the Osella machines.Originally posted by dolomite
Hodges' A-Z has this to say about the FA1H: 'First seen incomplete at the 1986 San Marino GP, complete for the Belgian GP but not raceworthy; raced in the French GP and crashed in the British GP and not seen again.' So your picture from San Marino does show this car, even though it didn't run on the track there.
FA1F: (...) One was brought out again in 1986, when Ghinzani failed to finish in his seven starts with it. Alan Berg managed three finishes in it, and Caffi drove to an unclassified finish at Monza.
FA1G: (...) The FA1G was driven by Christian Danner in five races, each time to retirement, and he failed to qualify at once. Berg drove it twice, Ghinzani seven times, to just one finish (eleventh in Austria).
FA1H: This short-lived car by Pedrotta was laid down for the Motori Moderni engine but was actually powered by the Alfa V8. (...) Danner qualified it twice in 1986, Berg once, Ghinzani twice. It did not finish a race, and was written off in a Brands Hatch crash.
#25
Posted 24 April 2004 - 19:19
Just before San Marino GP (April 17-20, 1986) there were tests at Imola, but according to Autosprint teams present were Benetton, Ligier, Lotus, Ferrari, Brabham and Minardi (so not Osella). In the same article there are also time scored in March (no more details about date), and there are only Williams, Ferrari, McLaren, Lotus, Benetton and Lola-Hass.Originally posted by Geza Sury
I don't know when the teams did test at Imola, but I suspect some time before the San Marino GP itself.
So if Osella did any test at Imola, it was in another occasion.
Ciao,
Guido
(from Autosprint 17/1986 page 9)
#26
Posted 25 April 2004 - 16:28
There used to be a one-week test session before the European season in the late 80s and early 90s with most of the teams participating, but it looks like in 1986, Osella didn't take part. Could this be a winter test then?Originally posted by gdecarli
Just before San Marino GP (April 17-20, 1986) there were tests at Imola, but according to Autosprint teams present were Benetton, Ligier, Lotus, Ferrari, Brabham and Minardi (so not Osella). In the same article there are also time scored in March (no more details about date), and there are only Williams, Ferrari, McLaren, Lotus, Benetton and Lola-Hass.
So if Osella did any test at Imola, it was in another occasion.
#27
Posted 15 June 2004 - 13:39
began the history of Osella because I saw that the type PA1 was called Osella or
Abarth and finally Abarth Osella.
Can you give me some explanations ?
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#31
Posted 08 July 2004 - 15:53
Here the pics of the FA2/75 and the FA2/76 (Drivers are Francia / Migault)
#32
Posted 18 November 2004 - 15:41
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Posted 18 November 2004 - 18:24
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#35
Posted 18 November 2004 - 19:39
Mark
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Posted 18 November 2004 - 19:53
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#39
Posted 18 November 2004 - 20:49
This is how the Osella ran in 1984 with the Milde Sorte (or Emco at the non-ciggie races) branding on Jo's car...
...but Ghinza's was different...
...and is the same as the one in the 'mystery' pic, making it definitely 1984 I'd say.
But I just wonder if the Fondmetal logo on the nose where the number usually was is a clue...?
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#40
Posted 18 November 2004 - 20:56
Originally posted by seruga
Es Juan Manuel Fangio ll Test Osella 1984
I think you're right. The red cuffs on the driver's overalls ring a vague bell for some strange reason...
Mark
#41
Posted 18 November 2004 - 21:01
#42
Posted 18 November 2004 - 23:48
You'd think I'd remember
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 10:41
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#46
Posted 20 November 2004 - 15:11
And no, he didn't regret not making it to Formula 1. I was there when he won his first IMSA GTP title with Dan Gurney's Eagle Toyota, and for him it was a pretty good remark, considering he was 36 by then.
#47
Posted 22 November 2004 - 10:28
Before winning IMSA Championship (1992 and 1993) did he run also F. Indy at the end of the 80s?
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Posted 22 November 2004 - 14:33
#49
Posted 22 November 2004 - 16:44
And now? Is he still involved in some racing project?
I think I saw him in a F. 3000 race at Vallelunga circuit in 198... 1988? Was his helmet white and red?
#50
Posted 23 November 2004 - 00:24