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#551 Michael Ferner

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 19:42

So, I suppose the question should be asked in Racing Comments!?!

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#552 Barry Boor

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 19:49

Probably.

#553 HistoryFan

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 10:06

Move: WSbR driver since 2007!
Zlobin: F1 test driver at Minardi in 2002

#554 D-Type

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 10:14

What is WSbR ?

#555 Tim Murray

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 11:32

See Barry's post 550, Duncan.

#556 Graham Clayton

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 06:05

Dutch rally drivers Peter van Merksteijn Jr & Peter van Merksteijn Snr.

#557 Macca

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 13:52

Eddie Cheever III is now in Euro F3 (as is Roy Nissany, mentioned earlier).

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#558 HistoryFan

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 10:55

GP3 racer Melville McKee's grandfather Michael McKee did also some F2 races in the early 60s. Any details about that guy? Why no F1 races? His F2 results looks not that bad.

#559 Barry Boor

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 12:10

Just too many better drivers around, I suspect.


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#560 HistoryFan

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:02

How are Prema Power principals Angelo and René Rosini related?
Have they been racing drivers themselves in the past?

#561 Barry Boor

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 14:26

Plaudits to Josh Hill who has called it a day on his racing career.

Good to know that someone is prepared to accept that he just hasn't really got what it takes. Good on him.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 15:17

Seems a great shame, I was looking forward to a third generation Hill World Champ. Given that everyone by the name of Hill who has competed in F1 has become World Champion perhaps some aspiring driver should change his name by deed poll?

#563 Barry Boor

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 15:30

Sebastian Hill ???

#564 Cavalier53

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 17:42

All lurkers here should know what a special person Damon Hill is, completely apart from his racing record.

Possibly Josh has shown us to be an even more special person - by acknowledging that there is more to life than the racing we all love. Three generations, three individuals that stand out.

#565 Graham Clayton

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 11:37

The three Fekken brothers from South Africa - Roelof, Harry and Lambert.



#566 LotusElise

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 23:01

Is multiple British truck racing champion, Stuart Oliver, related to Jackie Oliver?

Dad thinks he is. They do look vaguely similar, but my brother looks like Masten Gregory, and that doesn't mean they are related.



#567 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 05:59

At the World series Speedway show Thurs night. Three generations of Braziers, father Steve,[crew chief] Garry and grandson Jordyn. Better, Steve is the son of Stan Brazier who raced heavy stockcars. 4 generations now.

Also 50s, 60s heavy stockcar driver Ross Hill helping out his granddaughter Michela.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 21:35

Montoya's father Pablo was also racing driver. I could nothing find about him, so I guess he just had some local races? Has anyone details about that?



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Posted 22 January 2015 - 07:16

I just found this thread and wanted to clarify information on the Knepper family of Belleville, IL.

 

In a family of 12 siblings there were 7 boys and 5 girls.  Two of the boys probably died at a young age.  Four of the remaining five were involved in racing.  The five brothers were Al (the oldest of the 12), Arthur "Butch", Walter Sr., Ollie and Ray (the youngest of the 12).

 

Al was the tractor man in the family and he wasn't into racing.

 

Arthur "Butch" raced as did his son Arnold "Arnie" and his son Art.  Arnie did race at the Indy 500, won the Little 500 and is in their Hall of Fame.  He raced a little bit of stock cars, but was primarily an open wheel racer.  He won five St. Louis Auto Racing Association midget titles (1954, 1955, 1960, 1975, and 1979).

 

Walter, Sr. raced and his son Walter "Junior" (or Sonny) Knepper was a legendary open wheel mechanic.  He owned and/or wrenched cars to six St. Louis Auto Racing Association midget titles, beginning at the age of 17, ten MARA titles (where he was the car owner), and the 1981 USAC Champ Dirt car title.  "Jr." was inducted into the High Banks Hall of Fame (2004).  "Jr.'s" son Steve raced and won ten midgets championships (1983 St. Louis Auto Racing Association and the Midwest Auto Racing Association in 1986, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1992, 1996, 1997, 2002 and 2003), two Belleville (KS) Midget Nationals (1988 and 1998), the Hut Hundred (1992), the Four Crown Nationals (1994), and the 16th Street Speedway title (1997) and is inducted into both the National Midget Auto Racing Hall of Fame (2015) and the High Banks Hall of Fame (2001).  His son Nick races midgets.

 

Ollie raced, but his two children did not.

 

Ray raced, winning the second midget title awarded by the St. Louis Auto Racing Association (1947) and was posthumously inducted into the National Midget Auto Racing Hall of Fame (2009).  He had two children that did not race (Brad and Carol).  Brad has three sons.  Brad's son Steve does not race, but his son Brad does (Brad is still in school).

 

Most people confuse the relationship between Arnie and Steve (the racer).  They are cousins.

 

The information on "Jr" and Arnie (who are cousins) is not complete.  The list of drivers for cars that "Jr" Knepper owned or wrenched were legendary:  Bob Wente, Tom Bigelow, Tim Richmond, Dave Strickland, Mike McGreevy, Jerry McClung, Billy Shuman, Duane Carter, Bruce Walkup, Billy Cassella, Bill Engelhart, Kevin Olson, Bob Cicconi, Mel Kenyon, George Snider, Rich Vogler, Steve Knepper, and Arnie Knepper (among others).



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Posted 22 January 2015 - 19:06

Thanks, Eileen, for these clarifications.
 
Although from what you say it is clear that Arnie and Junior's son Steve are not cousins.
 
The relationship many people confuse is probably the one between Ray (b. 1920) and Arnie (b. 1930) who according to what you say were not brothers but uncle and nephew.
 
BTW, I guess you know about Junior's passing just two days ago. :(
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Posted 23 January 2015 - 05:29

Yes, I knew about Jr.'s passing.  I attended his visitation and will attend the funeral.

 

Arnie and Jr are (first) cousins as their dads were brothers.  Which means Steve (the racer) is technically Arnie's first cousin, once removed.  Steve and Art (Arnie's son) would be second cousins.  Nick (Steve's son) and Arnie would be first cousins, twice removed.  

 

Ray is the Uncle of Arnie and Jr., the great Uncle of Steve (the racer) and Art, and the great-great Uncle of Nick.

 

Al was the oldest of the 12 and born in 1900, Arthur "Butch" was the third of 12 siblings and born in 1903, Walter, Sr was next (#4) and born in 1905, Ollie was number 9 (of 12) and born in 1914, and the baby was Ray, who was as you pointed out, born in 1920.

 

They are an amazing family with a large number of very talented open wheel racers and just great, down-to-earth people.



#572 Michael Ferner

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Posted 23 January 2015 - 11:07

:clap: Many thanks, Eileen! :clap:

 

I'd been told many years ago on this forum that Ray and Arnie were brothers, and never really knew how to make sure they weren't, so I was beginning to believe it. Also nice to see how Ollie and Sonny fit in exactly! :)



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Posted 10 November 2015 - 12:00

Irvine's father Edmund was also a hobby racing driver, but drove with single-seaters. Any detais about that?



#574 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 10 November 2015 - 22:15

Just too many better drivers around, I suspect.

Better funded?



#575 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 10 November 2015 - 22:30

I was told recently the the Tattnels are going third generation now too.Goerge both A1 midgets and Sprintcars, Brooke multiple A1 in Sprintcars has a son racing Karts.

 

I have probably mentioned the Moore Dumnesny clan too. Ex A1 in Sprintcars and F500 Max is married to Melinda [ne Moore] whose dad  Sid was a succesfull Sprintcar racer in his time and a long time car owner.   Melinda raced sprinters, 3 of Max and Melindas kids so far are racing. The eldest . Mitch, did himself a severe back injury a couple of years ago. Not sure as he has came back yet. The daughter is racing wingless Sprints so far. One more to go I believe!

 

Probably already mentioned too. Bo Seton, 66? Bathurst winner whose son Glen was very succesfull in Supercars has a son Aaron driving a variety of equipment in road racing, so far with a deal of success also.



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Posted 11 November 2015 - 02:59

[quote name="Lee Nicolle" post="7376838" timestamp="couple of years ago.

Bo Seton, 66? Bathurst winner also.[/quote]

Bob Holden may dispute this.

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 11:12

To add to Milan's response on the Smiths: Morrie was also a racer
By coincidence, one of Ken's first competition cars was an Ulster Austin Seven which a few years before had been bought by racer Les McLaren for his young son...



#578 HistoryFan

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 21:15

is henrique chaves, who tests formula renault 2.0 this week, related to former f1 driver gabby chaves?

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Posted 28 November 2015 - 22:32

is henrique chaves, who tests formula renault 2.0 this week, related to former f1 driver gabby chaves?

 

Gabby Chaves, who never drove in F1, is Colombian. Henrique Chaves is Portuguese and they are not related. If you wanted to refer to former F1 non-qualifier Pedro Chaves, who is Portuguese, they are not related either.



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#580 HistoryFan

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Posted 29 November 2015 - 21:17

a sorry, thank you!



#581 LotusElise

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Posted 29 November 2015 - 23:12

Quirin Bovy's daughter, Sarah, races GTs and touring cars.



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Posted 30 November 2015 - 08:42

The Jones Father and Son; you all know about Alan but maybe not Stan, his Australian Champion Dad?
Article on Stan may be of interest.

http://primotipo.com...ld-star-winner/

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 14:23

A grandfather-granddaughter relationship: Mikaela Ahlin-Kottulinsky from Sweden, Audi racer, is granddaughter of Freddy Kottulinsky, once F3 winner at the Schleizer Dreieck, in later life involved in the reconstruction of the track after tying the knot with the girl he met decades before after his win.

Mikaela is getting involved with F1 rookie Max, son of......



#584 Tim Murray

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 14:58

Not forgetting Freddy's daughter and Mikaela's mother, Susanne Kottulinsky, who was a well-known rally driver in the 1980s.

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 22:09

A less obvious one that I just noticed by chance: American Peter Mann, current GT driver, is the grandson of Le Mans driver Pierre-Louis Dreyfus (a.k.a."Helde" , "Ano" or "Ferret"). Source:Peter Mann, himself.



#586 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 11:21

As I am sure has been mentioned the new Australin V8 Supercar champion, and 04? Second level champion Mark Winterbottom and his multiple Australian Supermodified/ Sprintcar champion dad Jim Winterbottom.

I think I saw Jims face in the back of the team bunch after the race. He is probably at PCR for a big Sprintcar show tonight. 75 cars!

 

Where there is THREE Dumnesnys racing Max, Marcus, Mathew and sister Michela is in a Wingless Sprint as supports.

I presume Mitch is still getting over his injuries. Mother Melinda used to race [quite well] and her dad Sid Moore is a long time competitor and owner.



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Posted 05 December 2015 - 12:20

My old dad was a motor-cycle racer in the '30s, and after me my 2nd son Daniel had a successful, but sadly brief stint driving, and my grandson is looking like a budding driver too...

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Posted 08 December 2015 - 07:45

I seem to find that the Brabham's haven't been mentioned in a few pages (i.e. years) on this thread. You've probably all read that Matt Brabham was signed to compete at the Indianapolis Grand Prix as well as the 500. It makes him the third family member to compete in the Indy 500 after grandfather Jack and father Geoff.



#589 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 09:12

The Jones Father and Son; you all know about Alan but maybe not Stan, his Australian Champion Dad?
Article on Stan may be of interest.

http://primotipo.com...ld-star-winner/

Mark

On this forum I suggest Stan is better known than Alan.



#590 HistoryFan

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Posted 10 December 2015 - 16:16

Larini Nicola (F. 1 Ferrari, Osella, ETCC, DTM Alfa Romeo, etc.) and brother Andrea (Italian F. 3, touring cars and Renault Eurocup etc.). Both nephew of Massimo, who drove Alfa Romeo in European Touring Cars Championship in the first 70s.

 

 

Are Massimo Larini and Gabriele Larini related to both?

 



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Posted 02 February 2016 - 10:51

This weekend we had a MRF Challenge pdoium 1st Pietro Fittipaldi, 2nd Harrison Newey, 3rd Mick Schumacher.

 

Did we ever had three champion names (not the champions themselves) on the podium in a series?



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Posted 02 February 2016 - 10:59

Are Massimo Larini and Gabriele Larini related to both?

 

I believe Gabriele is Nicola's son.



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Posted 03 February 2016 - 12:17

Interestingly, Max Verstappen hasn't been mentioned in this thread since 2009. I also found a post about the Kumpens, Max's mother's family. There is former race driver Paul Kumpen, his son and daughter Anthony and Sophie Kumpen, and grandson Max Verstappen.