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#51 Andre Acker

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Posted 20 June 2006 - 15:38

Thanks guys for all the information.
I was born the same day as Gethin (February, 21st), not the same year. He is a little bit older than me.
By the way, there are many famous drivers born in February, Lauda (22), Mario Andretti (29 ! That's why he never gets old !) etc.

Is there a Peter Gethin biography ?

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#52 lofong

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Posted 20 June 2006 - 18:43

Originally posted by Andre Acker
By the way, there are many famous drivers born in February, Lauda (22), Mario Andretti (29 ! That's why he never gets old !) etc.

I aways thought Mario was born on February 28 of a leap year.

Otherwise he would surely have taken (and still retained by a long way) Emmo's record of youngest world champion and quite a few other records? :lol:

#53 Andre Acker

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Posted 20 June 2006 - 20:07

Well, the story I read (do not ask me where !) was that he (and his twin brother, Aldo) was born on February, 29th but registered (is this the right word ?) as if he was born on the 28th, otherwise he would commemorate his birthday only once each 4 years !

No doubt he deserves to be considered the youngest F1 world champion !

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#54 M Needforspeed

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Posted 20 June 2006 - 20:15

looking at F 5000 pics, saw a Chevron was flanked with Anglo American Racers adverts .Cld it be it was entered by Dan Gurney organization ??

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Posted 21 June 2006 - 08:45

Originally posted by M Needforspeed
looking at F 5000 pics, saw a Chevron was flanked with Anglo American Racers adverts .Cld it be it was entered by Dan Gurney organization ??


More likely to be Anglo American Racing, Tony Dean's team from 1973 or thereabouts.

#56 Twin Window

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 11:42

Here's a pic provided by Mike Hayward, posted on behalf of Jerry Entin.

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#57 Jerry Entin

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 11:49

Thank you Stuart for putting up this great picture loaned the site by Mike Hayward. It shows Denis Hulme in Sid's Brabham BT8. This car is currently owned by Julio Palmaz of San Antonio, Texas. Mike has a beautiful site showing all his pictures which is a must see. Stuart has listed it above. www.mikehaywardcollection.co.uk/gallery

#58 David M. Kane

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 11:55

Jerry:

I have been to Julio garages in San Antonio when we lived there. His mechanic, Frank Hanrihan helped us with Shairon's Lotus 22. He use to work for Huffaker in the day.

The Brabham is a seriously neat car. BTW, Dr. Julio is a major Cardiologist, he invented the heart stint, so he get a royality ever time one is used, something like $600! He has LOTS of toys including his own little test rack on his ranch.

#59 Jerry Entin

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 12:00

Dave: I believe Julio also has a Winery. He sent me some nice pictures of him in the BT8 but they are on my computer in Palm Springs. I am now in Michigan. I think Julio's Winery is located in Northern California and he was thinking of making a car museum there. He has a Porsche 917 also. And he has helped alot of people with his heart stent. Sid has sent Julio a nice letter telling him what a great time Sid and Denis Hulme had with the BT8. Not that Sid wants anyone to know but, he will be 75 on August 15th.

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#60 Twin Window

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 12:42

Jerry has asked me to post this pic of the Jody Scheckter Trojan T101 I took in the paddock at Mallory in March, 1973;

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#61 Jerry Entin

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 14:07

Thanks Stuart: This photo was taken by a young Stuart Dent. It shows Ron Bennett driving the Trojan in 1973. Ron was Sid Taylor's head mechanic for all the Sid Taylor Racing years. Sid first met Ron Bennett when he bought his Brabham BT8 off a group of guys in Derby who called themselves Team Elite Racing. Ron and Kerry Agapiou worked on the car when it raced in 1973 and won the L&M Championship for Sid. The other picture Stuart had of Brett Lunger in Sid's other Trojan was when Bret ran in the F-5000 series in England and it was crewed by Julian Randles.

A funny Sid Taylor story is: In 1966 Sid was getting all the STP stickers he could. He was going to say they meant Sidney Taylor Plant. That was his construction type business. The people in England had never heard of STP and Sid thought it would be a great idea to use these stickers. He didn't know STP would become famous and everyone would know it was really an oil additive. You can see the STP sticker in the nose opening of this car and also the one Brett is driving. "Sidney Taylor Plant." Sid and I were friends with Andy Granatelli's PR guys Ralph Salvino and Mike and they gave us like 100 STP stickers in 1966.

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#62 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 19:08

:clap: Great pics guys , and Jerry : good tip with the Hayward site ,great too!

#63 Jerry Entin

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 19:13

Glad you liked it Bjorn. Mike Hayward was very nice to loan his picture to this site. Sid Taylor won't blow his own horn as they say. I just thought it would be nice for forum members to get to see what Sid had done in Racing. Most of these races were before alot of current members were born. We had some great times and loved being an independent team and running with the Factory teams. Sid has never tried to tell anyone about his racing and I am glad for this site so his work can be seen. Here is another Sid Taylor story. It was 1973 and we were at MidOhio for a Formula 5000 race. I gave Jody Scheckter signals on a little cardboard type signal board. Well during the race Peter Gethin broke. Doug Shierson his Team owner had a real nice signal board like what the Formula One Teams were using. We worked out of Doug's shop in 1973 in Adrian, Michigan and were very good friends with him. Sid told me to give Jody signals with Doug's nice board and I said no. I didn't want to change. I said I wouldn't do it. So, Sid told Kerry Agapiou to go give Jody signals with Doug's real nice board. Jody thought I was run over in the pits or something and he didn't see Kerry giving him signals. Kerry worked on the car and had never given signals before. Near the end of the race I went out with my old board and gave Jody the signals. He said when he saw me come out he almost cried. After this when Jody was in Formula One he told everyone that he was at a race once and that Sid and I had got in an argument and wouldn't give him signals. By the way we won that race. Signal boards were before in car radio's for those who don't remember such devices.
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This is the car at Mid Ohio- Kerry Agapiou in front and then Ron Bennett and me at back.photo by Carmen Entin

#64 Ann M. Adam

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Posted 02 July 2006 - 21:28

Well, I've decided to add my two cents because Jerry keeps E-mailing me these up-dates. ANY one that knows Sid will have great stories to tell. We were delighted to "host" his (pre ?) Can/Am team between Riverside and Laguna Seca. PAM Foreign Cars was asked to help find places for other teams to work. We provided space at our place (We raced under 2 ltr.) and got space at Welsh's Texaco up the hill. It was at this time we met; Sid & Mary Taylor; John & Pat Surtees; Denis Hulme; Ron Bennett; Dennis Daviss; Barry Crowe; Brian & Marion Redman; David Hobbs; et al. Just a grand time and a grand life. Oh yes, we met Jerry Entin too, during this time. Great fella'.

Sid would have been the quintessential Western entpreneur. He exudes life and energy. It was delightful, the little time we spent with them. I always get annoyed with people when they say, "If only he had spent a little more money." (Usually, it is a driver's words.) Well, Sid did put out the money he could afford and drivers like Denny knew this and drove accordingly. They did well. The field would have been sparse without the shoestring guys.

During the same time we had access to a double trailer and towed Gendebien's and Moss's car from Riverside to Laguna Seca. This memory poses a history research question.

PAM [Patrick (Scooter) Adam (Hans) and Mitchell (Don)] started October 1959; SE corner of 8th and P.C.H., Manhattan Beach, Calif. (pre-zip) and we were racing from the beginning. I just know that we raced Can/Am before 1966. We even created and sold Can-Am T-shirts. It was two races in one, over & under 2ltr. We raced on what is now the engine run-up area of MacCarron Airport in Las Vegas, NV. Hap Sharp was still driving - - pre-Chapparral. We even raced at Continental Divide Raceway as well as the three eastern and two Canadian races. Why isn't this thought of as Can-Am?

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Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:10

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#66 Jerry Entin

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Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:33

Thank you Stuart for posting this great picture by Pete Lyons. Pete has written the best book on CanAm racing and it is a must read. It is of course called Can-Am by Pete Lyons. There are a few Sid Taylor stories to go with this picture. This is of course Howden Ganley at Riverside in 1971 driving the BRM P 167. Sid wanted to run the McLaren he had been running in the 1971 Interseries at the two westcoast CanAm races. McLaren said he couldn't . So Sid asked Lou Stanley if he could borrow the BRM P-167 for the last 2 races of the season. Lou said yes. This was the only version of this car and there were very few spare parts avaliable with it. Sid told him he would use his engine in the car. Sid called me and asked me to pickup the car and get it ready for Monterey. Brian Redman was to drive it. Sid said one more thing. The engine is blown up. I got the car and took the engine to George Bolthoff. He was McLaren's ex head engine builder. George fixed the engine and we ran at Monterey finishing 4th. The next race was Riverside. Brian couldn't attend because his good friend Jo Siffert had been killed between the two races and Brian had to attend the funeral. Lou Stanley sent Howden Ganley over to drive the car. We picked up Howden and took him to Riverside. He went out and practiced for about 15 laps and he was 9th quickest. Howden said if he could go out and practice more he would be about 4th quickest. Sid said you are qualified good enough. No more practice. We only had one engine and very few parts. We knew Howden would do good. Howden went ballistic. He was telling everyone Sid was crazy he needed more practice and Sid wouldn't let him. In the race Howden quickly went from 9th to 4th. After Jackie Stewart dropped out he was 3rd. A friend of ours named Judy Kondratieff was helping Sid with the lap times. After the race Howden said to me. Do you think Judy would go out with me? She did and is now Mrs. Howden Ganley. Howden did a great job with the car. Giving Sid Taylor his highest CanAm finish. By the way Howden no longer thought Sid was crazy. After the race Teddy Mayer of McLaren's came over and said what was their engine doing in the BRM. I said is that your engine. He said that wasn't funny.

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Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:40

Great story Jerry, what makes TNF so wonderful !!

#68 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 10 July 2006 - 13:39

:up: from Bjørn

#69 Jerry Entin

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 02:03

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Picture above is us at Riverside in 1971. I am 3rd from Left. Charlie Agapiou is next to me and then Ron Bennett.On the right Howden Ganley is talking to Ray Caldwell . And now the rest of the story:
When we picked Howden up we took him to my brother Hershey's small apratment complex in Studio City. My brother was baby sitting a young girl for the weekend. She lived with her mother in one of my brothers apartments. She was about 8. We put Howden in her room. It had a small TV and Barbie dolls all over the place. Her mother had gone to LasVegas for the weekend.Sid and I stayed with my brother. In the morning we asked Howden how he had slept. He said pretty good until the Lil girl came in and took the TV. It was like a Fellini movie. Formula One driver sleeping in Barbie bed and small girl comes in and takes her TV and some of her dolls. She didn't want Howden messing with her private setup. From there we went to breakfast. We didn't tell Howden but first Sid and I had to help my grandmother. We went to her house and had to move some furniture from her house to a guest house. We asked Howden to help. He said he was there to race cars not move furniture. I said OK go in the house with my grandmother and watch TV she will give you some cookies and as soon as Sid and I are done we will go. From there we went to Hillcrest Motors the local Cadillac dealer. We had a friend Cliff Startin who was the service manager. Sid told him "Have a new Cadillac convertible waiting for us. Have it heading in the right direction we have no time to talk we will see you at Riverside." Howden got in the car and followed us to Riverside. Howden didn't know my grandmother had given me the money to pay to get Sid's engine fixed. Sid and I sure did! Tyler Alexander of McLaren's wanted to know why we had Howden in a brand new Cadillac convertible and he was in a rented Ford. After the race Jackie Stewart came by and said to Howden he was in way over his head messing with Sid and me. With a smile on his face. Also glad you liked the first story Mallory Dan and Bjorn. Photo above by Cliff Startin.

#70 Paul Medici

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Posted 27 July 2006 - 03:29

Neat photo of Sid Taylor in his beautiful Lola 3B coupe. Earlier, Pedro 917 posted several great images of the car racing at Spa with current owner Frank Sytner at the wheel. This photo was provided by Gerald Swan.

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#71 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 27 July 2006 - 07:28

:clap: Beautiful car ,smart colours ,great picture ! I think its from the good days with lots of races,also on the european and other continents, many privateers ,and the days when F1 drivers still drove other than F1 , and at times got beaten by privates,the times where you could easy recognize your teams ,even in black and white pics ,the times with numbers on cars ,the time when I was a sub on Autosport ,then made in such a poor quality that pages nearly turn yellow ,only the front was in colour. Regards Bjørn!

#72 Jerry Entin

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Posted 15 August 2006 - 13:25

Sid Taylor is 74 years young today. Happy Birthday Sid from all your friends.

Edited by Jerry Entin, 05 April 2011 - 15:28.


#73 Danny Skehan

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Posted 15 August 2006 - 15:10

Very happy birthday Sid! :smoking:

You were one of the guys that interduced me to motor racing back at Dunboyne

#74 Alan Cox

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Posted 15 August 2006 - 15:30

Agreed! Very best wishes to Sid.

Motor sport in the sixties would have been far poorer without him.

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 03:37

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MCS


Great story, Jerry. :up:

I remember the race being well covered in the UK with various colour pictures appearing. It looked absolutely fantastic. Must have been really quite something to have witnessed it first hand though.

I guess the book on Tony Brise, Tom Pryce and Roger Williamson must be about due for publication now...
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This weekend I was at the historic Cooper car races at Monterey and it was great
Jack Brabham was there so it was good to talk to him.
but the surprise was a person Ken Hyndman had photos of Tony Brise and the team
at the 1975 Long Beach GP
it was so neat to see them.
it is about time for books on Tony,Tom and Roger
thanks for the stories
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#76 Jerry Entin

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 07:06

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This is the last race of the 1973 season at Kent,Washington. Jody Scheckter has just gone off course at full speed and Sid Taylor and I are cleaning up the car. Jody went from last to second in the race. A wire we didn't see shorted out the electrical system this was due to the earlier off course excursion and with one lap to go Jody couldn't run to the finish and was dropped to 3rd.

Photo: Carmen Entin

Edited by Jerry Entin, 05 April 2011 - 15:29.


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Posted 10 October 2006 - 09:08

some wonderful stories of the "larger than life" Sid Taylor although must point out to Tommy that you were wrong I was with Theodore at the time you got your drive I remember testing at Oulton to acclimatise you and it nearly killed you ,you came in completely knackered!,although Sid was adamant you would drive Julian backed him and could realise your talent.
I spoke with Sid recently and meant to meet him in some Italian restaurant in Brum but alas,I got held up but may be next time.Sid was also infamous for many things (some not for print )! but after Theodore he returned to Dublin for a while after purchasing an ex Arran Isles ferry this was towed up the River Liffy and swiftly turned into a floating disco which I am sure Sid cashed in on when it was sold on.I have stayed in his comfortable hotel on many occasions and in the restaurant wonderful photographs of Senna at Macau driving for Theodore natually,in the bar apart from items from his floating disco ,tables made from 26 inch rear wheels,somehow the man with the midas touch ( and the Blarney )in anything he did and a pleasure to know.
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#78 Jerry Entin

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Posted 29 October 2006 - 03:01

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Here is a car Sid Taylor helped Brian Redman run in 1972 in the US Formula 5000 series. It was called a Chevron B24 and Brian Redman had his good friend Derek Bennett the owner of Chevron Cars build it for him. Sid Taylor supplied the engine and Transmission. This car was a very good car. It was basically a Formula Two car with a 5000cc engine stuffed in. The weak points were the rear uprights. After Chevron sent over stronger ones for the last race of the season at Riverside. Brian finally won his first Formula 5000 race in the states. He had lead every race he had been in but had various problems. This is turn 6 at Elkhart Lake. Brian had a rear hub failure while leading the race. Sid's other car in this race a 2 year old McLaren 10B driven by Derek Bell got a fine 3rd in this race. I was coming to this race with a friend of mine Al Bartz to help Sid. We were late getting away in Los Angeles. When I got out to the race track I said to the guys :"Where is Sid?" They said he is on the pay phone by the garages trying to find you. I went over and stood in front of Sid while he was on the phone. He looked at me and told the operator: "Never mind, he is Here." He was calling my house in Palm Springs, California and I was right in front of him in Wisconsin. Seemed funny at the time.

#79 Jerry Entin

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 06:57

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Patrick Tambay in the Sid Taylor run Theodore in Formula One.
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#80 Jerry Entin

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Posted 02 November 2006 - 16:25

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This is the car I told the story earlier about Sid's dad dropping his match and lighting it on Fire. It is a McLaren MK 18 and Brian Redman drove it for Sid Taylor. Richie Bray worked on it for Sid. This was in 1971.
photo lent site Alan Cox-copyright 2005 Alan Cox.
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Keke Rosberg in the Theodore Formula one Car. Team run by Sid Taylor.
Keke won the 1978 International Trophy Race at Silverstone in a pouring rain for the Theodore Team. photo lent site by Luc Ghys-copyright 2005 Luc Ghys

#81 Twin Window

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Posted 02 November 2006 - 17:06

Originally posted by Jerry Entin

It is a McLaren MK 18 and Brian Redman drove it for Sid Taylor.

So did Derek Bell;

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#82 Jerry Entin

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 04:43

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Derek Bell in 1972 Elkhart Lake F 5000 race. Finished a fine third in McLaren F5000 car. Car owned and entered by Sid Taylor.
photo lent site by Tom Schultz-copyright 2006 Tom Schultz.

#83 Jerry Entin

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 02:43

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Sid Taylor watching over Ron Bennett and Julian Randles. Boy Wonder Peter Gethin doing the driving.

#84 rdmotorsport

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 10:29

Jerry, your photos are amazing and does Julian ever age?

#85 Jerry Entin

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 05:01

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Jody Scheckter and Ron Bennett at Elkhart Lake in 1973. Sid Taylor helped Jody win the L&M Formula 5000 Championship in 1973.
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#86 scags

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 19:57

That's some tire! Did F 5000 use the widest tires ever in major racing?

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 20:24

Originally posted by scags
That's some tire! Did F 5000 use the widest tires ever in major racing?


No, at the time it was Can-Am.

#88 David M. Kane

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Posted 08 March 2007 - 21:43

The Sid Taylor BT-8 recently changed hands. It is now owned and ably driven by Edie Arrowsmith and run out of her shop in the Phoenix area. Currently a new body mould is being done so a new body can be put on it.

Previously this Denis Hulme driven beauty was in the collection of Dr. Julio Palmaz, the famous
San Antonio Heart Specialist who invented the Heart Stent. :up:

#89 Jerry Entin

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 01:22

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Here is the ex Sid Taylor Brabham BT 8 in the ArrowLane Restoration shop . This photo was taken by David Kane this morning. David and his wife Shairon Beale were allowed full access to the beautiful shop to take pictures of the cars they are working on to show the forum members. The shop is run by Chris Hines and is owned by Edie Arrowsmith as David Kane has already told us. Edie raced the BT8 at Coronado already and is preparing it for future use. David Kane says the workmanship in this shop is of the highest caliber.
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#90 Jerry Entin

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Posted 11 March 2007 - 06:05

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Here is Sid Taylor in 1967. This Lola Coupe is currently owned by Anders Hedborg.
photo Dieter Fischer.

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 02:29

Thanks Jerry,

This picture by Dieter Fischer was taken at the Norisring 1967 showing
Sid filling petrol prior to the "200 Meilen von Nürnberg".

See Jürgen Lasser's site norisringhistorie.de about the Norisring history
and norisringhistorie.de/1967/1967.htm for more pictures and results for
1967.

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#92 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 23:26

In 1969 at least , Sid Taylor had a big "furniture" box transporter with white roof . Any knowledge to that one Jerry , others? It was the days of F5000 and Lola GTs!

#93 iharos

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 11:19

Surely there must be more to keep this thread going.

#94 Jerry Entin

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 02:36

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Brian Redman in the Sid Taylor run BRM P 167 at Monterey in 1971. That is Brian's good friend Jo Siffert behind him in the Richie Ginther run Porsche 917. To the side of Brian is Jackie Oliver in the Peter Bryant designed Shadow CanAm car . Brian went on to finish 4th in this race.
above photo by Dave Friedman

#95 simon drabble

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 09:45

the Sidney Taylor Hamyn Books T70 was in teh support race at yesterday's British Grand Prix - I car I recall well as a child, I think my elder brother had a model of it, the race was mostly Can Am and other big V8's ...... and my twin cam! great race and if it was as axciting to watch as it was to race in then I am pleased for all who stayed to watch it!

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 19:43

Originally posted by Coogar
Sid came from the south Dublin village (now suburb) of Rathfarnham, and I seem to recall his driving at Dunboyne and Phoenix Park - the only two Irish race meetings at the time - in (first) a Landar FJ and latterly a Lotus Elite.
At that point though, the entry list stated he was : S.Taylor, Walsall.
Indeed I suspect he may even have won something pretty big at Dunboyne, or was that Tommy Hayden ?
Anyway he also gave the Lola T140 its first ever race appearance (at Phoenix Park) - although for the life of me I can't remember who drove it that day. That marked the beginning of F5000 in Europe.
The partnership with Denny Hulme, first with Brabham BT8 and then Lola T70 came shortly after Sid hung up his helmet.
As we say in the emerald Isle he 'looks very like himself' in that pic with Mr Entin. I Hope he's continuing to flourish in the US.


Bruce Anderson- the late Bob's son tells me that his father partnered Denny Hulme at Silverstone in 1964 and finished forth. Chassis no SC-6-64, owned by Sid Taylor.

Do you have any records/photos of this or any other sportscar race in the BT8 (BT11 with full body) with Bob driving?

I'm helping Bruce piece together his father's career.

#97 David McKinney

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 22:56

I don't know of any Hulme/Anderson partnership in 1964
However, Bob Anderson was second in the Martini Trophy race at Silverstone that year at the wheel of a Brabham BT8 (which was, of course, a model in its own right, not a rebodied single-seater)

#98 Jerry Entin

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 17:59

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Sid Taylor driving his Brabham BT8
This photo shows Sid driving his BT8 in Ireland, the setting is Dunboyne Village, the year is 1965. Car is currently owned by Edie Arrowsmith.
photo lent site Edward Fitzgerald collection.

#99 Alan Cox

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 21:13

A lovely photo, and pretty rare to have colour of one from those Irish meetings from the sixties, Jerry. Thanks to Edward Fitzgerald.

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#100 David M. Kane

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 17:23

The other BT-8 Edie has in her shop has 2.0 BRM V-8 in it.

That Ireland shot is awesome, wouldn't want to hit that wall.