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History of this 1950s Lancia-engined racer from Germany?


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#1 DanielRapley

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Posted 15 May 2006 - 21:33


Anyone have history on this strange racer?

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Here is what I have been told.


US service man purchsed in Germany from a car yard. He was told there were 2 cars built, the other one crashed and burned in Berlin race in 1955.

Alloy Bodied 1950's Special, 2 seater. Tube chassis with Inboard drum brakes. Generator runs off the rear axle. Jack points front and rear for racing jack. RHD. Steering wheel is similar to Early Porsche. Veglia Instruments. Fastners are all german. Came with 3 motors all Lancia. 1100 and 1300 single carb, plus 1500 twin carb V4. Very short wheelbase. Short door. Trunk lid is hinged at the rear, Hood flips forward. Handbrake drilled. DeDion rear axle. Not sure of front suspension. Headlights are Porsche/VW type



More photos can be seen at

http://www.danrapley...nciaunknown.htm


If you recognise the setup, or know any history I would be keen to know.

Thanks,
Daniel

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#2 antonvrs

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 06:55

It appears to be Aprilia based. Does it have sliding pillar front suspension?
Steering wheel looks like early VW standard. I love those.
Stu- any ideas?
Anton

#3 dretceterini

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Posted 17 May 2006 - 03:46

This one is a total mystery to me. Maybe some of the experts on German specials can help...

#4 Henk Vasmel

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Posted 22 May 2006 - 17:56

I checked my database for early post-war German races, and it came up with 3 drivers of Lancia Specials. In '48 and '49 (more details on request) There was a K. Klinger, who had a Lancia Eigenbau, which ran in the 1.5 class. From '50 through to '54, there was Hans Fischhaber (or Fischaber) which also ran in the 1.5 class. And in '51 there was Mauritz von Strachwitz, again mostly in the 1.5 class, though once in the 2L class (no 1.5 class available?) If I remember correctly, I once saw a picture of that car, but I cannot remember this one, which looks strangely attractive to me. A further search I would start with Hans Fischhaber, yet that is only a gut-feeling. Most results from these races are rather sketchy, so there may have been more drivers, or the Klinger car may have developed into one of the others. Fischhaber and von Strachwitz twice started in the same race, so that gives us at least two cars.

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#5 uechtel

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Posted 23 May 2006 - 20:38

No, nothing of that really fits.

These are all the Lancia-engined cars I know of that appeared in Germany:

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(from http://www.norisringhistorie.de)

This 1500 cc engined sports car appeared in 1948, driven by Karl Klinger. In 1951 the car was taken over by von Strachwitz.


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(from http://8w.forix.com/...neverraced.html)

Von Strachwitz´s MSM-Lancia Formula 2 car of 1953


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(from "Die Avus im Rückspiegel" by Ulrich Kubisch and Gert Rietner)

Fischhaber´s Lancia-Eigenbau in the Avus banking. Fischhaber used the car frequently between 1950 and 1954.


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(from "Meister des Sports" by Wolfgang Melenk)

same place, other year: The Lancia-engined BMW-chassised Special of Eugen Müller from East Germany, 1953


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(from "Meister des Sports" by Wolfgang Melenk)

Another East German: Hans Thoms in his "Favorit-Lancia", 1952



I have to admit, the car in question is absolutely unknown by me. For sure it is no participant of the 1500 cc class at Avus in 1955. Among the sixteen starters we had eight Porsche Spyder plus two further Porsche Specials, four EMW Kollektivrennwagen and then the OSCA of Chiron and the Kieft of Hans Finke.

The only crash was by Egon Binner, but his car looked like this:

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(from "Motorsport Almanach 1956" by Günter Grassmann / Arthur Rosenhammer)

#6 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 10:21

be patient and TNF will bring it to the light

Here is a picture of the car in question.
http://forums.autosp...009#post3359009
http://img398.images...arrymerkfv9.jpg
#156 Hans Fischaber - Lancia Special 1100 in front of Harry Merkel's Porsche 356 1100 at AVUS 1953

#7 uechtel

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 17:15

Yeah!

Sensationn im Stadionn...

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#8 raceannouncer2003

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 18:49

A search for Hans Fischhaber (note spelling) on Martin Krejci's site brings up the following link:

http://www.oldracing...s...chhaber (D)

I understand that "Eigenbau" in German means "home-build" in English. So we could call this the "Fischhaber-Lancia Special"?

Vince H.

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Posted 17 October 2008 - 07:18

Originally posted by raceannouncer2003
A search for Hans Fischhaber (note spelling) on Martin Krejci's site brings up the following link:

http://www.oldracing...s...chhaber (D)

I understand that "Eigenbau" in German means "home-build" in English. So we could call this the "Fischhaber-Lancia Special"?

Vince H.


It would certainly fit, but first you must not mix up his two cars. This one was a 1100 cc, while the car in Kreijci´s list (see picture in my next post) was with a 1500 cc engine. I think you can call them as you want as I don´t think there was ever any "official" designation. He entered his car (the 1.5 litre) sometimes as "Lancia Eigenbau", sometimes simply "Lancia".

#10 uechtel

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Posted 17 October 2008 - 07:19

Unfortunately I am not able to edit my old post, so I can´t repair the missing picture of Fischhaber´s car there:

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#11 uechtel

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 07:22

From another thread:

http://forums.autosp...=0#entry4287043

I've had this all aluminum, tube chassis, Lancia Aprilia V4 powered (1.1L, 1.3L and multicarb 1.5L), short wheel base, rear drive, two seat open car for over 35 years and don't know who built it and what it may have done.


I think Hugo has already given the answer:

be patient and TNF will bring it to the light

Here is a picture of the car in question.
http://img398.images...arrymerkfv9.jpg
#156 Hans Fischaber - Lancia Special 1100 in front of Harry Merkel's Porsche 356 1100 at AVUS 1953



Extremely light,(estimated at 8-900 lbs) everything drilled, inboard rear brakes with generator driven off rear drum. Appears to have German fasteners (nuts and bolts), Veglia instruments, early Porsche style steering wheel. Purchased in Germany in the late 50's and brought to Iowa, USA by a military man. Car was all polished aluminum, no paint. Supposedly two built.


So if there were two if this kind, looking at the differences in the bodywork I would assume, that your car is the sister car to that. I think it would be easy to find out by looking at it whether you can find traces of the mentioned incident:

The other car was said to have crashed and burned in a 1955 "Berlin", race.



Some unique features are, over the center ball type jacking points front and rear, small right side, flip down drivers door (supposedly required by the race rules). Everyone just steps over. Small, enclosed, what appear to be toe step pockets on each side of body. Hand brake with a spare tire mount in rear trunk. Anyone have any idea of the race class for this car? Mille Miglia, endurance type races? Hill climb or what?


In those times the cars were not as specialised as today. In 1953 it was simply "sports cars" with a division into "production" and "competition" (="Rennsportwagen" in German; kind of special prototypes) sports cars. To make it a "sports car" (in contrast to a "racing car", which was very much without further regulations), a sports car had to had two seats, doors, "firmly attached" fenders, a trunk and a spare wheel, which would make it in theory useable in everyday´s traffic.

The "Rennsportwagen" category was divided into subclasses of 750 cc, 1100 cc, 1500 cc and 2000 cc engine capacity (outside Germany probably also some more divisions above that limit), which were quite universal, means, you could find a subset of these categories almost at every event in the world. This meant, such a car could run at endurance races like Le Mans as well as the shorter "sprints" like the minor German events, also at hillclimbs and in Switzerland even in slalom events or rallyes. It only depended on what the owner wanted to do with it.







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Posted 14 April 2010 - 19:43

This page http://www.laberezin...s/1950/1951.htm
indicates the Eigenbau-Lancia as winner of the 1500cc class on 14 May 1954 at Hockenheim

More results are mentioned in
http://www.motorspor...-t7936-s75.html
but my German is limited to few words none of which are useful in this case.

The car was entered also in the Eifelrennen meeting in 1953 (1100-1500 class) where it retired
http://www.teamdan.c...k/post_1950.pdf

George

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 20:28

This page http://www.laberezin...s/1950/1951.htm
indicates the Eigenbau-Lancia as winner of the 1500cc class on 14 May 1954 at Hockenheim


That link does not lead into 1954, but into 1951. Actually in this race Fischhaber was the only finisher in his class, but was subsequently disqualified for taking aid from outside, so it is actually one of the rare races that did not have a winner at all! But in 1951 the 1100 cc car we are talking about in this thread had not been built yet and Fischhaber of course had used his 1500 cc car in the 1500 cc race...

(see picture of it in my post from 17th october 2008)

The car was entered also in the Eifelrennen meeting in 1953 (1100-1500 class) where it retired
http://www.teamdan.c...k/post_1950.pdf


Sorry, but to my knowledge it has always been the 1500 cc car in the 1,5 litre class. The only start of the 1100 cc car seems indeed to have been at the Avus in 1953, so that is probably confirmation for the statement, that it had an accident there. But in 1954 the 1100 cc class had been abolished, at least in West Germany, so the car would have been a rare view on the racetracks anyway.


#14 hansfohr

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 09:40

That link does not lead into 1954, but into 1951. Actually in this race Fischhaber was the only finisher in his class, but was subsequently disqualified for taking aid from outside, so it is actually one of the rare races that did not have a winner at all!

BTW Among the non-finishers was Mauritz von Strachwitz with another Lancia Eigenbau, here seen on the Norisring: http://www.norisring...1/51_nor_01.jpg

Edited by hansfohr, 15 April 2010 - 09:43.