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#501 Jean L

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 10:07

I have seen this photo in the middle of pictures of the Großer Preis von Deutschland 1957.

But the atmosphere of Spa-Francorchamps and Nurburgring is very similar.



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#502 marclaus

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 13:20

look at the stone-cottage in the background, it is definifly Spa, exactly  at the bottom of eau rouge inside the track , where the entrance to the race-track was all over the years.



#503 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 13:36

Thanks Guys , that was quick , I also had a PM telling me is SPA !

#504 LittleChris

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 20:57

And more proof that it's Spa is the building in the far distance, it's the Clubhouse which gave it's name to what was formerly the Martinfange corner where Dick Seaman crashed.



#505 Rob Ryder

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 19:03

Posted on behalf of Bjørn Kjer

 

Help needed to ID the following images (date/driver/car/location)

 

1. r0i0.jpg

 

2. w4c4.jpg

 

3. k8tc.jpg

 

4. ru9y.jpg

 

5. oulx.jpg

 

 

Any info appreciated..

Thanks in advance...

 

 

Rob


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#506 Sharman

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 19:20

The first one is Mays and the Earl Howe at Brooklands



#507 sterling49

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 19:26

The last photo looks very much like Jackie Oliver........



#508 MCS

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 19:30

5.  Jackie Oliver probably wondering what he had let himself in for at the 1969 Oulton Park Gold Cup, surveying his one-off mount, the Ulf Norinder F5000 Lola T142...

 


Edited by MCS, 07 November 2013 - 19:31.


#509 Alan Cox

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 20:33

 

5.  Jackie Oliver probably wondering what he had let himself in for at the 1969 Oulton Park Gold Cup, surveying his one-off mount, the Ulf Norinder F5000 Lola T142...

 

Indeed - It's one of my photos which was posted on here way back. I think the original has now disappeared.



#510 MCS

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 20:49

Not exactly an ideal situation then... :(

 

Missing pictures, missing members.  Let's hope DCN is simply finishing Volume 4 !!



#511 Alan Cox

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 20:54

To be fair, Mark, I can't blame the revamped forum for the missing pic. More to do with the original host site I used.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 21:04

To be fair, Mark, I can't blame the revamped forum for the missing pic. More to do with the original host site I used.

Fair enough, Alan. My comment was tongue in cheek.

 

Any dates for a "Christmas" NW TNF Get Together yet?



#513 Roger Clark

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 09:03

The first one is Mays and the Earl Howe at Brooklands

Is it definitely Brooklands?

#514 Jean L

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 09:16

1  Seem it is 28 Aug 1937  Donington ,JCC 200 Miles 



#515 Stephen W

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 09:50

#3 - could the chap squatting down right in front of the VW be Chris Craft?



#516 Vitesse2

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 10:35

1  Seem it is 28 Aug 1937  Donington ,JCC 200 Miles 

That was my conclusion as well, Jean. Pictures of the Donington paddock are few and far between and I think those stalls are probably part of the improvements made during the early summer of 1937 when the track was lengthened: they're much bigger than the Brooklands ones. There weren't any trees in the Brooklands paddock either.

 

I've no idea who the 'Maserati' transporter belongs to though! Johnnie Wakefield, perhaps? Obviously someone with money, since it looks very new and tidy!



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 11:04

REINE wISSELL IN FRONT OF THE VW IN PHOTO 3

#518 Roger Clark

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 11:07

That was my conclusion as well, Jean. Pictures of the Donington paddock are few and far between and I think those stalls are probably part of the improvements made during the early summer of 1937 when the track was lengthened: they're much bigger than the Brooklands ones. There weren't any trees in the Brooklands paddock either.
 
I've no idea who the 'Maserati' transporter belongs to though! Johnnie Wakefield, perhaps? Obviously someone with money, since it looks very new and tidy!

There is a photograph of the Donington paddock in Wegeulin, page 114. It looks like the same place to me.

#519 Sharman

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 11:20

You have the advantage of me Roger with the Weguilin book, I just looked at the tin stalls and thought Brooklands.



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#520 Sharman

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 11:29

Photo number 2, I am guessing the driver is the gent in the ratting hat, his overalls look as though they were built for somebody of a rather fuller figure. Looks like a BRDC badge and I get the impression of a BRSCC badge too.



#521 Vitesse2

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 11:50

There is a photograph of the Donington paddock in Wegeulin, page 114. It looks like the same place to me.

Indeed - although as there are no trees visible in the background the picture of Dixon in Weguelin appears to have been taken facing the opposite way: so it's either the other side of the same structure or there were two of them.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 13:01

REINE wISSELL IN FRONT OF THE VW IN PHOTO 3

 

Looks more like Max Mosley to me, Edward! Think Reine had/has fairer hair than that too...

 

The VW was first registered in 1965, if that helps at all!



#523 Charlieman

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 15:04

#3 is interesting. The paddock comprises a hard surface and the wired picket fence is distinctive. It is a cool but not cold day -- blanking on the radiator and the spare tyres next to the transporter suggest that it was not the height of summer. Bloke on the left wears an expensive pair of shoes and owns a big conk. Jochen Rindt?

 

The car has hefty wishbones and trailing arms. The front spring/damper unit crosses the wishbones. It appears to connect above/behind the lower wishbone pivot point; the other end connects ahead of the frontmost wishbone pivot.



#524 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 19:02

Thanks so far , also to Alan Cox for the Picture loan.

I have a few comments which your comments forced out of my memory :

1. The trasnsporter must be Mrs.M.E.Hall-Smith for "Robin" Hanson

2.Equipe WHO ? (on the transporter behind) ?

3. F2 BRABHAM ? , FVA ENGINE ? NOT BOB ANDERSON ! a COOPER F2 ?

4 ?

5.IT IS OLIVER , THE WHITE TRANSPORTER COULD BE NORINDERS BEFORE HE PAINTED IT BLUE AND GOLD. (IT IS THE EX FORD - LATER JWAE car)

Edited by Bjorn Kjer, 09 November 2013 - 09:20.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 01:46

Thanks so far , also to Alan Cox for the Picture loan.



3. f2 BRABHAM , FVA ENGINE ? NOT BOB ANDERSON ! a Cooper f2 ?

4 ?

 

 

 

3 MAE engine = F3 = not Bob Anderson

 

4 early F2/3 Brabham?



#526 Alan Cox

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 15:43

Thanks so far , also to Alan Cox for the Picture loan.
 

No problem, Bjorn! Delighted to be able to help with your research



#527 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 22:34

photo 3 , paddock could be Monaco

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:01

Thanks to all , now I have a question without Picture :

British GP 1958 "drum" no.9 WHO ? (paddockplace on the field) .

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 13:31

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "drum"

 

I expect you know that Number 9 in the GP was the Vanwall of Stuart Lewis-Evans

 

In the supporting races:

In the sports car race Martin Krejki says that Number 9 was the Arden-Climax of Chris Summers but says it was "Listed in programme" not as "DNS"

Frank de Jong lists the finishers for the saloon car race.  But there isn't a Number 9.  The 1100cc cars have  numbers 1-7, the 1500cc cars begin at 10, the 3000cc at 20 and the 3000+ at 30 so I suspect the number was allocated to the 1100cc class but not used.  It would need a programme to confirm this.

There was also a Formula 3 race but I haven't been able to find any information regarding race numbers.  This definitely needs programme access.

 

 

Edit:  Confirming that there was a Formula 3 race


Edited by D-Type, 17 November 2013 - 20:38.


#530 Pullman99

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 19:46

photo 3 , paddock could be Monaco

I was thinking more Crystal Palace Bank Holiday Monday F2 1971(?).   Wilson Fittipaldi?  Richard Divilla?



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 21:47

I was thinking more Crystal Palace Bank Holiday Monday F2 1971(?).   Wilson Fittipaldi?  Richard Divilla?

 

Definately not F2. The spare engine being worked on the ground is a push rod = F3.

 

The photo has to be post 66, 67 at least really. The car has YB11 Firestones and earlier than 71 as F3 had gone to twin ohc engines with restrictors.


Edited by JtP1, 17 November 2013 - 21:53.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 13:58

 

There was also a Formula 3 race but I haven't been able to find any information regarding race numbers.  This definitely needs programme access.

Don Wagner, Cooper-Norton (probably a Cooper Mk XI)



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 15:10

Number 4 is obviously from the same sequence as a picture I posted some years ago. The transporter signwriting said "Read Sport Auto Every Month" in French and the pit board had the same numbers on it. Both pictures look posed and the conclusion we came to was that it was some sort of publicity shot taken in 1963. The car is probably a Brabham BT6.



#534 Rob Ryder

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 19:01

Posted on behalf of Bjørn Kjer

 

nd6h.th.jpg

 

Truck in the background?



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 19:42

If that picture relates to post #528, surely the number on the drum is 19 not 9!



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 19:53

Bjørn, I think it might be the original Team Lotus Commer? Transporter, used before they got Cliff Allison's converted coach, so possibly an early pic of the 12., although I understood Lotus were contracted to Esso not Shell. The Zephyr is Chapman's car I suspect.
Roger Lund

Edited by bradbury west, 23 November 2013 - 13:00.


#537 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 21:41

Yes Duncan this is the non Picture from post 528 which has now bwcome a Picture and I see the oildrum has no. 19 ! Would that help ?

The transporter is not the Lotus Commer as that had its headlight at the front , not on the fenders, sorry.

#538 bradbury west

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 22:22

Just a long shot, Bjørn.
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Posted 18 November 2013 - 23:28

I wonder ...

#19 was a Team Lotus entered Lotus XV driven by Cliff Allison (#11, #12, #17 & #18 were also Team Lotus entries while  #20 was a John Coombes entry)

 

There wasn't a #19 in the touring car race and I don't know about the F3 race.


Edited by D-Type, 19 November 2013 - 16:40.


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 14:23

I wonder ...

#19 was a Team Lotus entered Lotus XV driven by Cliff Allison (#11, #12, #17 & #18 were also Team Lotus entries while  #20 was a John Coombes entry)

 

There wasn't a #19 in the touring car race and I don't know about the F3 race.

I would say the nearest barrel, by the Lotus 12, is painted with a "7", so 7, 17, 27, etc.

So it would appear to be Team Lotus unloading. But is the 12 in it's correct slot, or being pushed on? 



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 19:10

In what context?

#542 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 10:30

It is a Ford closed transporter.
It had a V8 engine , which was between the driver and passenger seats . In case of service it was taken out via the passenger door.
It was owned and used by B.Bira in 1954/55.
It was used by H.Gould in 1955.
It was sold to B.Halford together with Bira's 250F1 for 1956.
I have no Picture !
What model would it be , I am aware it could well be (much) older than 1954.

#543 Sharman

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 10:56

Bjorn Kjer, on 09 Jun 2014 - 12:30, said:Bjorn Kjer, on 09 Jun 2014 - 12:30, said:

It is a Ford closed transporter.
It had a V8 engine , which was between the driver and passenger seats . In case of service it was taken out via the passenger door.
It was owned and used by B.Bira in 1954/55.
It was used by H.Gould in 1955.
It was sold to B.Halford together with Bira's 250F1 for 1956.
I have no Picture !
What model would it be , I am aware it could well be (much) older than 1954.

According to Jenks Bruce Halford used a "converted Royal Blue Coach" to transport his Maserati. Could this have been the vehicle in question?


Edited by Sharman, 09 June 2014 - 10:59.


#544 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 12:54

Halfords AEC coach was used from 1957 as far as I know from Tony Robinsons book..

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 14:02

Bjorn Kjer, on 09 Jun 2014 - 14:54, said:

Halfords AEC coach was used from 1957 as far as I know from Tony Robinsons book..

Jenks says 1956 and the transporter was acquired with the 250 ex Gould and before that ex Bira



#546 Roger Clark

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 15:17

There's a photograph in Wegeulin (page 50) of Romulus being loaded onto a new Ford V8 transporter, said to have been bodied by the White Mouse mechanics. The picture is taken from the rear and you can't see much except for the car container but the registration number is DEV 863.

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 15:35

Michael Oliver's Tales from the Toolbox refers to an old front-wheel drive, three-tonne truck that Halford inherited from Prince Bira.

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 15:59

Right ! Sharman , he surely started the 1956 season with that old transporter , then getting the AEC Royal Blue Coach , which when it did not break Down was at the German 57 GP. For 58 I have him with an open trailer behind a Zephyr 6.

Roger , the DEV 863 was a prewar bonneted Ford , probably V8 which at first had a White Mouse on the sides , and after the war the Siam flag. But it still is a mystery and now can be added "frontwheel drive" ?

Tony Robinson says in his book their engine was between the seats , and was taken out of the passenger door for repairs. So it could not be DEV 863 . Bira must have had another at least for 1954 and start of 55 ?

PS. I did note from Michael Olivers book , thanks to you both , so far.

Edited by Bjorn Kjer, 09 June 2014 - 16:00.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 21:57

Bjorn, my apologies for a slow reply, but we have been very busy here.

Looking at  Klapper's British Lorries  1900-1945 he says  that in 1935 a 2 axle chassis for 2 to 5 tons payload  weight was introduced , and, as with the 2  6 wheeler variants, came with 24 hp 4 pot petrol  motors or 30hp V8 petrol engines, these being known as Fordsons, Thames not  being used until post war.  The Fordson would be the pugnosed type with which you are familiar and the bluff front would mean that the engine was between the seats. Diesel engines did not feature until post war Thames vehicles arrived, and then only after the original  4D and 6D had used V8 petrol engines, qv  Stevens-Stratton,  Lorries 1900 to 1945,  but these, as you know had a conventional bonnet setup, akin to the Commer Super Porpoise type, so engine-out would be straight up out of the engine bay.

The V8s were common in various applications pre war, incl the 2  6 wheeler variants as well as the Bren and Universal tracked items,  but I can see no mention of front wheel drive. in these books or in The Autocar's 75 years of Ford .

Without taxing the grey cells too much, and not  starting another discussion on FWD pre war, let alone for commercial vehicles,  I can only think of Alvis with their effort, certainly not intended for commercial vehicles, and the inevitable, but fascinating, story of Tracta. Yes I know there are others which did FWD

The other thing to consider is that in most cases, certainly from what I have seen in your book, and my own archives, along with the descriptions given in the ads for transporters in Autosport in the fifties and sixties, most small teams and  single owners used old/er vehicles as transport, so I suspect that the pre war Fordson might  be the truck which you are seeking

BTW whose is the Fordson in post 505 pic 1 with Howe and Mays?

Roger Lund



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:39

Thanks for some good infos on the Fords from then. Unfortunately I have still not learned to post Pictures , but Tony Robinson told me it was not a Fordson. So I am mystified , but he has some contact working on it. I'll be back then
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The "Maserati" Fordson with spec. build up , I do not know for sure , but my guess would be Mrs. M.E.Hall-Smith for Robin Hanson.I do not find any other suitable combinations.

A new question ...WHO was Mrs.Hall-Smith ?

Edited by Bjorn Kjer, 10 June 2014 - 05:50.