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#101 ace woodington

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 13:24

Bjorn

Do you have old copies of MOTOR RACING? The March 1964 issue has an article and photos on BRP.

If not I could try to E-mail you copies

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#102 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 22:16

:wave: Hi ace (isnt that a Toyota van?), I do not have old Motor Sports , so a copy of that would be very interesting for me, thanks.

#103 David McKinney

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 23:34

(a) he's talking Motor Racing, not Motor Sport
(b) he's talking BRP, not MRP
But I'm sure neither of those factors will put you off :lol:

#104 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 22 January 2007 - 08:47

:wave: Hi David , thanks for being my second eye! I did notice that ace wrote BRP butthat still is interesting. However I overlooked Motor Racing , having at that time (1964)on my first England visit, bought my first Autosport , and that one it was to be for many years. But I do seem to recollect Motor Racing a rather thin but good mag ?

Ace, MRP or BRP , I still would like the article !

This thread could seem casual , but as my main object still is transporters , I want to write a story on every team where I have something on that subject !

#105 ace woodington

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Posted 22 January 2007 - 14:15

it should have been MRP

Am I allowed to post pages from an old magazine ?

#106 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 16:47

:wave: Paul Vestey , among his races ,a retirement at Le Mans 1968 driving in his Ferrari 250LM with Roy Pike . Can anyone tell me more about Paul .He was British , but from where , etc.?

#107 Frank Verplanken

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 00:43

You maybe can reach Paul Vestey directly as I think he runs the GP Library with DCN.

#108 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 05:58

Is that so Doug ? Can I contact him ? :smoking:

#109 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 09:56

:( I am quite surprised ,nothing more on Paul Vestey or MRP(Midland Racing Partnership)?????????

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 13:10

This is a Wikipedia profile of the family company:

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Vestey_Group

#111 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 09:08

I am still surprised on the little response to MRP. Afterall they (he) was at times a works effort.
I have found that Bill Bradley was more or less involved and their address was Midland Racing Partnership , Walsall St., Wolverhampton (contact David Baker) ((this is from an adv.))


Nothing else to their story ?

#112 Ian Titch

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 11:14

Just a few words on MRP = Midland Racing Partnership. This is based on memory rather than any research so apologies in advance for any factual errors.

In 1961 a group of drivers from the Midlands formed themselves into a team to race in Formula Junior. They all acquired new Cooper T56s. The drivers included Bill Bradley, David Baker, Alan Evans, Jeremy Cottrell and Richard Attwood. There may have been others whose names escape me. John Rhodes also drove for the team but I think it was in the car of either Alan Evans or David Baker rather than his own car. All the cars were painted dark blue which became the team's car throughout its existence.

In 1961 MRP mainly raced in British national and club FJ races. In 1962 Baker, Bradley and Attwood acquired new Cooper T59s while Rhodes went off to drive for Alexis and Ausper amongst others before taking in some F1 races with Bob Gerard in '63/'64 and then becoming the works Mini Cooper S star driver but that's another story.

Attwood and Bradley in particular began achieving better and better results and at an Oulton Park meeting in August '62 David Hobbs, until then a rising star in Lotus Elites, had his first single seater race in Attwood's T59 and promptly won.

For 1963 MRP became the official works Lola team in FJ with Mk 5As for Attwood (white noseband), Bradley (blue noseband) and Baker (yellow noseband) although Baker's car was driven in most international FJ races by Hobbs who had a great battle with Denny Hulme's Brabham BT6 in the Silverstone International Trophy meeting FJ race in May. A couple of weeks later Attwood won the Monaco FJ race and he and Hobbs in particular remained very much front runners at the top of FJ in its last season for the rest of the year until Attwood broke a leg in a crash at Albi in September.

Attwood and Hobbs also shared the Lola GT at Le Mans.

In 1964 MRP ran the works Lola F2 cars - essentially Mk5A FJs but now designated T54s with the 1-litre Cosworth SCA engine. David Hobbs went off to drive for Merlyn which left Attwood who was joined by Tony Maggs. Richard won at Aspern and was second behind Jimmy Clark at Pau and was also 2nd at Albi where he had broken his leg the year before. Tony Maggs came 2nd in the F2 class of the Aintree 200 ahead of Attwood.

The T54s evolved into T55s before the monocoque T60 emerged in 1965 when John Surtees, Paul Hawkins and Chris Amon amongst others drove from time to time for the team. Surtees won the Oulton Park Gold Cup in a T60, Amon won at Solitude and Attwood/Maggs finished 1/2 at Vallelunga.

1966 was the last year of 1-litre F2 and was dominated by the Brabham-Honda BT18s of Jack himself and Denny Hulme with the only non-Honda win in a major F2 race being by Jochen Rindt in the very last race - at Brands Hatch for Winkelmann Racing.

And that, I think, was the end of MRP. For the new 1600 cc F2, the works Lolas were run by John Surtees for himself and Chris Irwin. Richard Attwood had become a fully fledged F1 driver with the Parnell team in 1965 after finishing fourth at Goodwood in his first F1 race in 1964 in a BRM P57. He also drove the 4wd BRM in practice for the British GP that year but didn't race it. Tony Maggs also drove a BRM P57 in GPs in 1964 for Scuderia Centro Sud. Bill Bradley took up sports car racing with Triumph Spitfires and then various Porsches, particularly one of the very few 910s to race regularly in the UK against the Chevrons and prior to that a Carrera 6/906, painted white with a blue stripe. I also recall Bill running a Triumph 2000 in some rounds of the British Saloon Car Championship but with rather less success than he achieved with his Porsches, one of which I think he retains to this day.

In its way I believe that MRP was a single seater version of Ecurie Ecosse a decade earlier ie a group of drivers from one part of the country who pooled their resources to run a professional team which became so good, as did some of the drivers, that they competed at the highest level, F1 excepted of course.

In the late 60s another similar group formed itself in the Midlans - the Worcestershire Racing Association - which produced John Burton amongst others. But that's another story.

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 11:18

Welcome Ian. Most interesting post.

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 13:45

I hope Bjørn doesn’t mind if I do some hi-jacking of his thread for my own purposes.

Usually I am looking for unknown birthdays of known people. But in some cases I found birthdays but do not know who the people are or who they were.

From this source I have the following dates:

Peter Arthur Bailey born 12 January 1927 Streatham
Col. George Harcourt Stewart Balmain born 07 October 1907 India
Gordon Donald Bedson born 23 September 1916 Southampton
Robert Anthony Randall Bell born 29 September 1927
James Berry born 12 December 1913 Heywood
Robert E. Berry born 09 November 1929
Peter John Ellison Binns born 25 October 1916 Grimsthorpe, Bourne, Lincolnshire
Roydon Morrison Blomfield born 15 October 1897
Stanley John Boshier born 13 November 1918 Maidenhead
Sam Conway born 19 December 1946

Does anyone know these people? If so, would you tell me who they are/were?

Note: Please allow for misspellings (because Ross Bracon born 23 November 1954 of course is Ross Brawn).

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 14:49

Originally posted by ReWind

I hope Bjørn doesn’t mind if I do some hi-jacking of his thread for my own purposes.

Don't worry - I'll be doing the same myself shortly!

#116 David McKinney

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 15:24

Gordon Bedson was a designer - can't remember what - Meadows Friskysport?
R A R Bell was a 500 driver in the '50s
Jim Berry was a very well-known hillclimber (killed c1962)
Bob Berry raced XK120 Jaguars then, more famously, D-types
Peter Binns was best known as a "chain gang" Frazer Nash driver in VSCC events
The names of P A Bailey and S J Boshier ring bells - but not loud enough ;)

#117 bradbury west

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 16:34

David, Was Bob Berry the Berry who worked for Jaguar, PR, marketing, etc? I recall something to do with a 3.8 at Monza for records, reg 1628?? .... back in 63-ish. Haven't checked the files yet.

Roger Lund.

#118 David McKinney

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 17:52

I believe so

#119 KJJ

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 17:58

With the exception of Conway, all these names appear in the Motor Racing and Motor Rally Directory 1957: Bailey, a member of the Singer team in the 750 Club 6 Hour Relay; Balmain, a member of the BRDC, he had retired from racing in 1934-35; Bedson is listed as a designer of Kieft racing and sports cars; Blomfield, an RAC scrutineer; Boshier drove mainly Jaguar and Connaught sports cars, 2nd in class in the 1952 Isle of Man, British Empire Trophy Race.

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#120 Tim Murray

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 18:04

Gordon Bedson also designed the Mackson 500. He crops up several times in the Kieft GP thread.

#121 Vitesse2

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 21:36

Balmain was an MG man: he got a mention in the Speed's Ultimate Price thread:

http://forums.autosp...034#post2545034

#122 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 08:07

Post 112 : Ian , what a memory you have , good story ,thanks!

Post 114 : You allready did it (your welcome!) ! Happy to see you got some results!

Post 115 : Twinny : :mad: why dont you like me ? :lol:

#123 bradbury west

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 11:46

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
Anyone knows anything on Raceway Engineeringfrom Stockport/Manchester ( thats all I know!)
Bjørn


Bjorn, If you find anything, pls let me know as I have been looking for some time

Roger.

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 11:50

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
8W : Ecurie Chiltern /David Dixon (LM62/Healey racedriver((but not at LM)))?????

Any help please ?


IIRC Dixon, or certainly DD300 did the RAC Rally in 61 or 62.

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 11:58

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
This is what I got on Sports Motors(Manchester) Limited. 250 ,Plymouth Grove , Manchester 13 :

Sources , MAP , TNF , me

Founded by Graveley and Bloor

One of their drivers was Bloors son Rodney.

Started up with Austin A35 , a feature of early saloon car racing were Rodneys duels with Harry Ratcliffe(later of British Vita) in his Morris Minor. Asked what it was like , driving the A35 , Rodney answered : like walking a tightrope on iceskates!


Rodney ran a very quick A40, 4901 N in 1961 and into 62, prepared by Robin Gordon, who had worked on Bloor cars for a while. thge car was basically Speedwell bits plus an FJ crank, telescopic skocks and larger rear brakes, plus a ZF lsd which gave the car uncanny steadiness, apparently. It was reckoned at 80bhp and ran to 8,000. Harry Ratcliffe always reckoned the boxy A40 was worth 5bhp extra in lower wind resistance compared with HR's Minor 1000. A wonderful era IMHO.

source Autosport in period.

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 18:43

Thank you very much, David, Ken, Tim, Richard, Roger ... and Bjørn. :up:

Originally posted by David McKinney
R A R Bell was a 500 driver in the '50s

Which of the three names was the one he was usually called by?
Or was he known by a diminutive such as "Rob", "Bob", "Tony", or "Randy"?

#127 David McKinney

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 19:47

Originally posted by ReWind
Which of the three names was the one he was usually called by?

If I knew that I would have said :lol:

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 22:03

Roger
I think Robin Gordon is still wih us, he used to work for Avro as an Aeronautical Engineer. He did a few other cars that I was associated with and did the head for the last car I prepared which was a Fiat Abarth 130 TC. We got 159 at the wheels on Solexes not Webers. :p It ran in the standard class and the cams were same as you could buy :rotfl: And it wasn't the fastest in a straight llne
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Posted 06 February 2007 - 06:25

:| On the "Twin" Peters , J.Sargent and Lumsden , I have so far only found they co/owned the E types they raced in 62-64 and that Sargent was born 6/5 1933. Any further help ?

#130 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 19:48

Addition to above : Lumsden also raced in 1965 (w.Sutcliffe)

Sargents first race was in 1954 in a MG-TC

#131 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 07:16

Here is what I found on :
Peter Sutcliffe (Racing) Limited , Huddersfield ,Yorkshire
Born 1/12 1936 , first race Aintree , ended racing carreer 1967/68 ?

1956-57 MG-TD
1958-59 Frazer-Nash
1960-61 Nat.service, no racing
1962 Jaguar D
1963-64 Jaguar E
1965 Ferrari GTO/Ford GT40
1966 Ford GT40

Had at least in 1965 own transporter ,bonneted Commer I believe , with BRDC logo on .

Also raced for John Coombs, Alan Mann , Filipinetti and Squadra Lancia

Any other infos very welcome (not least the transporter)

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 10:59

Bjorn
A little further information on John Ogier, one of his DB4GTs had registration number 739 WMB. Colour was lime green . I found an old snapshot taken in the paddock at Goodwood in the early 60s
John

#133 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 15:06

:wave: Thank you Sharman , as usual any info is usefull!

#134 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 20:14

I have asked before , but not had much , so I try again : Who was Maurice Charles ?

Garage owner , at LM58 and 62 , raced Jaguars. Was blue "his" colour ?

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 20:51

Bjorn, Maurice Charles, Garage owner in Cardiff, Wales, also raced a D type IIRC.

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#136 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 01 March 2007 - 09:02

Hello friends , not asking about transporters but photo id. Please have a look on the transporter thread at post 896 . I do not believe you can not help identify the cars /teams in picture 5?

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Posted 01 March 2007 - 12:37

Originally posted by bradbury west
Bjorn, Maurice Charles, Garage owner in Cardiff, Wales, also raced a D type IIRC.
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...and an F2 Cooper-Climax

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Posted 01 March 2007 - 12:39

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
Hello friends , not asking about transporters but photo id. Please have a look on the transporter thread at post 896 . I do not believe you can not help identify the cars /teams in picture 5?

Either re-post the picture (if it was yours) or provide a link

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 15:39

Hijack # 2

I have some more birth dates of people which to me are unknown but should have some relation to motor racing.

George Frederick Ashton (Great Britain) born 16 May1944
Alejandro Batlle (Spain) born 17 October 1956
Henry Bohlin (Sweden) born 24 October 1927 Orsa
Allen George Burt (Australia) born 18 March 1923
E. Gilbert Johnson (USA) born 04 September 1929
Arthur Lang (Australia) born 28 April 1929 Melbourne
Donald George Maxwell (Australia) born 03 April 1928
George Salt (Great Britain) born 24 July 1928 Wendlock
Phillis Johann Salt (Great Britain) born 01 July 1930 Shrewsbury
Bernadette Sommerville (Great Britain) born 23 April 1935
Robert Webster (Canada) born 23 August 1933 Toronto

I have to admit that the source for these dates deals with bike racing as well as with car racing. So maybe they are from the world of two or three wheels.

Any ideas?

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#140 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 08 March 2007 - 22:29

I am seeking infos on Andres Chardonnet and Auguste Veuillet (LM62) ????????????







Please also look at above post !

#141 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 21:53

Does this name , (correctly spelled?) ring a bell somewhere :

Leacroft Ltd. , Sidneylands , Bonham , Surrey , around 1952 ! ???

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 21:58

André Chardonnet was the importer in France for Autobianchi, and Lancia during the seventies and the eighties.

Auguste Veuillet, was the founder of Sonauto, the french importator for Porsche

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 13:02

Can anyone tell me about : David Bridges Racing Team , Carstang , Lancashire ????????

(entered some F1 races in 66 and 67)

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 13:20

The same as Red Rose Motors?

#145 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 18:31

Did not find anything on the TNF. As far as I know Charles Bridges was Red Rose Racing , who then was Red Rose Motors , and again who then was David Bridges Racing?

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 19:52

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
Can anyone tell me about : David Bridges Racing Team , Carstang , Lancashire ????????


The place is Garstang.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 21:59

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
Did not find anything on the TNF. As far as I know Charles Bridges was Red Rose Racing , who then was Red Rose Motors , and again who then was David Bridges Racing?

Charles, David and John were brothers running the business. They were car dealers, IIRC, owning Red Rose Motors. Red Rose Racing presumably ensured the profits were never too great.

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Posted 27 March 2007 - 11:39

Originally posted by GeoffE


The place is Garstang.


Blimey Geoff, were they really based in Garstang, I thought it was Chester? My office is here in Garstang, I never knew I was so close to Red Rose.

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Posted 27 March 2007 - 12:58

Originally posted by Mallory Dan


Blimey Geoff, were they really based in Garstang, I thought it was Chester? My office is here in Garstang, I never knew I was so close to Red Rose.


I'm afraid I haven't any idea where they were :blush:

Bjørn Kjer said "Can anyone tell me about : David Bridges Racing Team , Carstang , Lancashire ???????? " and I was simply saying that there is a place called Garstang (but no Carstang).

#150 Allen Brown

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Posted 27 March 2007 - 13:20

According to David Gordon's Chevron book, the three brothers, oldest first, were Charles, David and John. Charles owned Red Rose Motors in Chester until he was bought out by John in 1969.

All were enthusiastic racers, usually in GTs of course but David and John also in single seaters and Charles in his E-Type, but it would appear that David Bridges Racing Team in Garstang was a distinct operation from Charles and John's Red Rose Racing.

Allen