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#401 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 21:36

Goodness me, that was quick! :up:

Thanks Simon and Richard. Johnson I knew but I am slightly embarassed not to notice that Sir SCM was far left - but I don't think I've seen a photo of him with so much hair! :)

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#402 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 19:45

Somewhere I read a few words about a team or some drivers called THE THREE MUSKATEERS . I believe to have seen it mentioned here too. Anyone knows who they were and what they raced , around 1961 I believe ????

#403 David McKinney

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 21:10

Sounds a bit like one of the teams formed for the 6hr relay race...

#404 Vitesse2

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 21:41

There was an MG trials team in the mid-30s called The Three Musketeers: http://books.google....2I4..."&f=false

#405 Roger Clark

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 06:36

Andre Pilette (Emeryson), Tim Parnell and Gerry Ashmore (Lotus 18s) entered as The Three Muskateersin the 1961 Naples Grand Prix.

#406 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 08:40

Spot on , the Naples GP I thought of ! Thanks Roger and the others too , as I took a search again myself I found a team in Drag Racing it appears , even with a transporter and the name on , MuskAteers.

Oh yes , and on the Horace Gould thread post 29 Halford,Gould and Bueb are mentioned as being called the Three Musketeers for a while.

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#407 RS2000

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 14:44

I think just about any identifiable group of three drivers, however loosely associated, has been referred to as "The Three Musketeers" on occasion. The 30s MG team (which came after the "Cream Crackers"?) must surely have the main claim to the title.
Wasn't there also a team of ZA Magnette saloons rallying in the 50s that used the title? I think Marcus Chambers refers to this "in being" team of amateurs as a problem to be resolved in establishing a proper BMC "works" team.
In more recent years the name has been used (and a book written) for the then three leading Belgian rally drivers - Marc Duez, Patrick Snjers and Robert Droogmans, something I never understood as there were unquestionably four Belgian drivers (these and Guy Colsoul) usually considered in the same bracket.
I'm sure the name must also have been coined by some journalist referring to Moss, Hawthorn and Collins at some point.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 12:59

Perhaps Mr Colsoul was d´Artagnan?

#409 Allan Lupton

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 13:52

Perhaps Mr Colsoul was d´Artagnan?

or Bathos :confused:

#410 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 17:07

Anyone knows what Equipe Brittanique was ? The name figures in Motor Sport 1952 August.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:23

Ecurie Brittanique was John Coombs and Alan Rippon in 1952.

#412 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 17:38

Thank you HiRich !

#413 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 08:56

Anyone ever heard of a Team Tourist Trophy ? Around the 60's + they had their own transporter. Probably doing saloon car racing with Jag 3.4's.

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#414 D-Type

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 23:06

The garage in Farnham owned by Mike Hawthorn's father was The Tourist Trophy Garage and Mike raced a 3.4 Jaguar (his road car). Could there be a connection?

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 07:02

That thought came to me too , but I find no connection. However I found that Team Tourist Trophy entered a Jaguar 3.8 in the 1963 British Touring Car Championship for Bill Aston first , then John Adams. Does this help any to give some infos , please ?

#416 David McKinney

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:43

This is the same Bill Aston who had been a successful F3 driver in the early '50s, and was the man behind the F2 Aston-Butterworth. He lived at Iver in Bucks, is that's any help

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 09:20

Bill Aston also raced a Tourist Trophy Garage entered Vauxhall 4/90 at Brands in August 1962.




#418 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 09:38

Tourist Trophy Garage is Mike Hawthornes fathers , and not Team Tourist Trophy as far as I can find. (?)

#419 D-Type

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 16:37

I'm fairly certain that by 1962 Mrs Hawthorn (ie Leslie's widow and Mike's mother) sold the Tourist Trophy Garage shortly after Mike's death. So their entry in 1962 of Bill Aston is perfectly feasible. The entry appears in several races in the link that artidesco posted so I don't think it's a mistake.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see a team dropping the word "Garage" from it's title, it was fairly common practice at the time, John Coombs being a typical example. The fact that Bill Aston drove for both and that Vauxhall was entered by both suggests they were in fact the same entity.

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#420 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 07:21

Still no solutions here ? , logos are also different see : http://forums.autosp...howtopic=172526

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 15:47

Anyone ever heard of a Team Tourist Trophy ? Around the 60's + they had their own transporter. Probably doing saloon car racing with Jag 3.4's.

Yes!

If you look at the post HERE you'll see their transporter in the background at Silverstone in the early 60s.

This was John Adams' transporter with Team Tourist Trophy markings during the period of him playing at motor sport from the Tourist Trophy Garage in East Street, Farnham that he had bought from Winfred Hawthorn (for £45,000 according to newspaper reports) in May 1959 after Mike Hawthorn died that January.

The transporter is an Austin Loadmaster, the back end of John Adams' white Jaguar Mk2 3.8 Litre (usually moved around on a trailer) and the front end of the white Vauxhall VX 4/90 that Adams raced under TT colours are visible (he had obtained a Vauxhall franchise just after buying the garage), and the caravan and Jaguar Mk 9 behind the barrier are those of John Adams' as well. The mechanic and his apprentice who looked after the cars were Jim Wells and apprentice Gerry Baxter (thanks to Brian Taylor for these and many other recollections, he was one of the employees there from 1956-67). Bill Aston I don't know of but presumably he was a race driver for the TT from what has been said.

There are other pictures of the team at events that I have at Brands Hatch in 1964, with the same caravan, back end of the transporter and cars. Apparently Roy Salvadori tried Adams' VX 4/90 at Goodwood and after one lap returned - his comments were unprintable!

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I have a page on the Mike Hawthorn Tribute site that gives a bit of background on that round TT logo.

Bjorn: John Adams eventually vacated the East Street buildings around 1983 and moved his business to the Bourne area of Farnham. The original Tourist Trophy Garage name was then owned by Inchcape Toyota of Lower Bourne, Farnham but was not used actively. As a registered company, it was dissolved in 1988 by Companies House.

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#422 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 17:25

Grrreat to get this solved and what a nice picture , many ,many thanks Tony !

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 20:05

Ormsby Izzard-Davies raced 500cc F3 then turned entrant with a Tojeiro followed by Lister Bristol and Lister Maserati in 1956/57. I cannot find much on the man , and believing his team (with Alan Moore doing most of the driving) had aname ECURIE "Something" ?? Any help please ?

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 20:24

You may look for Ormsby Issard-Davies (who AFAIK was born on 14 September 1912).

His widow Joan died in October 2004. So he must have died some time earlier.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 20:36

Martin Krejci consistently has Allan Moore entered by Ormsby Issard-Davies in a Lister-Bristol in 1956 and Lister-Maserati in 1957 - not a hint of an Ecurie "anything".

In Robert Edwards's Archie and the Listers Ormsby Issard-Davies is described as a "dedicated Lister customer" with references to some of his entries being works-supported and one of his cars being sold on by the Lister works implying a part exchange. But nothing more than that.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 21:11

I have his date of birth as 14 September 1911. One of our sources presumably has a typo...

In 1957 he was a solicitor living in Leighton Buzzard

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 21:17

You may look for Ormsby Issard-Davies (who AFAIK was born on 14 September 1912).

His widow Joan died in October 2004. So he must have died some time earlier.

There are references in The Times to him also being involved in the dog breeding world, but I can't find a death notice for him. His son died in December 2002, by which time he was already "the late Ormsby Issard-Davies".

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 21:29

I have his date of birth as 14 September 1911. One of our sources presumably has a typo...

In 1957 he was a solicitor living in Leighton Buzzard

Ancestry has it as 1911, registered in Caernarvon. Died May 2001, registered in Truro. No exact date though.

More dog references - he bred bulldogs. See page 166: http://www.thekennel...52_2-part-1.pdf

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:01

Thanks so far , I hope to add a picture soon.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:29

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 08:29

Ormsby Izzard-Davies raced 500cc F3 then turned entrant with a Tojeiro followed by Lister Bristol and Lister Maserati in 1956/57. I cannot find much on the man , and believing his team (with Alan Moore doing most of the driving) had aname ECURIE "Something" ?? Any help please ?

Ormsby Issard-Davies was born Caernarvon September 14th 1911 and was a Solicitor operating from Bletchley in Buckinghamshire.
He competed in 500cc Formula 3 with a Cooper and later teamed up with Allan Moore who owned the Brooksticks Garage at Edlesborough, near Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire. They competed for a while under the name 'Ecurie Balai' with the Cooper and Moore's JBS-Triumph. Issard Davis later entered Allan Moore in The Lister-Maserati when the entry was in the name of Issard- Davies. Hope thats of some help Bjorn.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:13

The picture is Copyright by GPL and shown with permission from Doug Nye.

Thanks to Rob who pointed out the date on the right side lorry (top) and posted the picture.

Thanks for all infos guys.

The input now from Eric allows me to suggest that the transporter could be an Ecurie Balai car (and not a Lister transporter as I thought) ? See the white square on the side. It could

read "ECURIE BALAI & cars from LISTER......? ..in 3 short lines. It then would be Allan Moores .

Edited by Bjorn Kjer, 15 August 2012 - 09:41.


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Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:06

The picture is Copyright by GPL and shown with permission from Doug Nye.

Thanks to Rob who pointed out the date on the right side lorry (top) and posted the picture.

Thanks for all infos guys.

The input now from Eric allows me to suggest that the transporter could be an Ecurie Balai car (and not a Lister transporter as I thought) ? See the white square on the side. It could

read "ECURIE BALAI & cars from LISTER......? ..in 3 short lines. It then would be Allan Moores .

I believe that there was some connection between the word 'Balai' and Broomsticks, the name of Allan Moore's garage, though not being a scholar I do not know what it could be!. Incidentally, there is still a Broomsticks Garage doing business in Edlesborough.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:50

I believe that there was some connection between the word 'Balai' and Broomsticks, the name of Allan Moore's garage, though not being a scholar I do not know what it could be!. Incidentally, there is still a Broomsticks Garage doing business in Edlesborough.

Balai is French for broom and/or broomstick :wave: There may be a further pun or double entendre in that "manche à balai" means not only broomstick but can refer to aircraft joysticks as well.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:05

My favourite minor Scuderia or Ecurie was the Scottish "Ecurie Ossity" - say it out loud.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:56

Ha-ha! Nice one.

#437 Graham Gauld

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 13:34

Ha-ha! Nice one.


Ecurie Ossity - their badge was a ? question mark - was set up by my late former father-in-Law, Harry Havelock Slack with two of his Glasgow racing pals Jimmy Gibbon and Ian Hopper. Harry raced a Healey Elliot saloon and had some great battles with Ken Downing who also had a Healey Elliot. Jimmy Gibbon was son of the Rover distributor and had a very quick Rover Special with a factory supplied engine and Ian Hopper had a variety of Hopper Specials usually Lea Francis powered

The first pic shows Ken Downing leading Harry Slack at Kames Curve, Charterhall in 1953
The second pic shows Jimmy Gibbon with the Rover Special

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 14:10

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This is the Lister Maserati Alan Moore raced at the Oulton Park British Empire Trophy in 1957. This was the factory car registered MER303

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 14:56

Ecurie Balai was formed in early 1952, between the three Formula III drivers Issard-Davies, Moore and Maurice Lambert. The name was explicitly a pun on Moore's Broomstick Garage (a balai is specifically a witches type of broomstick, and I would expect to see such a motif around somewhere). I suspect the team was originally a somewhat casual relationship - they each used their different cars (Cooper Mk VI, JBS and Mk V respectively) and didn't always attend together - but did seem to share a love for the Triumph engine. Moore always used one, whilst the others two did most of the time. All had been racing 500s before coming together.
In 1951, Issard-Davies was living in Cranfield, which is in the same area as Leighton Buzzard. I don't have any details for Maurice Lambert (who I'm pretty sure was not related to contemporary Frank Lambert).

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 15:34

Is the Rover Spl shown at Bo'ness, Graham, into the courtyard area? Pretty aggressive looking wall.........
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 15:52

Is the Rover Spl shown at Bo'ness, Graham, into the courtyard area? Pretty aggressive looking wall.........
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Yes, Roger it is the entry to the Courtyard which is exactly the same today and will be scuffed, no doubt, at the Bo'ness hill climb revival to be held on September 8/9

This is a photo of Tony Marsh in 1966 with the BRM photographed from behind.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 13:11

Andre Pilette (Emeryson), Tim Parnell and Gerry Ashmore (Lotus 18s) entered as The Three Muskateersin the 1961 Naples Grand Prix.



For the record this is the badge of the The 3 Musketeers organised by Andre Pilette.

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#443 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:37

THANK YOU !

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 09:26

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Took this snap at Wings and Wheels at Dunsfold Aerodrome on Monday.

L-R the easy ones are Sahab Ahmed, Oliver Turvey and Big John but does anyone recognise who the chap with the glasses is standing to the right of John ?

Answers maybe credited and used in a forthcoming blog.

Thanks in anticipation of your responses.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 22:55

Posted on behalf of Richard Jenkins (who systematically is failing to upload any photos on TNF due to "gremlins".)

This is the Ancien Pilotes meeting in Stuttgart in 2012 - I suspect Graham Gauld can help with this as he was there, but there's a number of drivers that I should be able to identify but I can't (frankly, I'm embarrassed I can't put a name to a couple of them) - can anyone help?

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From left to right;
?, Kurt Ahrens, ?, Nino Vaccarella, Reine Wissell, ?(hidden), ?, Gerry Ashmore, Howden Ganley, Maria Teresa de Filippis, Nanni Galli, Gerard Larrousse, David Piper, Mario Thiessen, Jo Vonlanthen, Jean-Pierre Beltoise, Peter Sauber, Tony Brooks, ?, ?, Graham Gauld, ?, Jochen Mass, Vern Schuppan, Hans Herrmann

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:59

For the record here is the full group taken in the rooftop restaurant of the Mercedes Benz Museum in Stuttgart two weeks ago on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the Grand Prix Drivers club - the new name of the Club des Anciennes Pilotes. If you have your magnifying glass the photographs include some of the Membres d'honneur The other two members not in the photo but who attended were Danny Sullivan and Hans Stuck. They had to dash off to catch a plane for Goodwood.

So lets go left to right back row:
Teddy Pilette, Brian Henton, Reine WIsell Nino Vaccarella Gerry Ashmore, Howden Ganley Richard Attwood Gerard Larousse,Mario Theissen, Peter Sauber,Theo Huschek ( Secretary and husband of Maria-Teresa)

Front row:
Kurt Ahrens, Nano da Silva Ramos, Claude Le Guezec ( Ex Head Matra Sport),Maria-Teresa, Nanni Galli,David Piper,Jos Vonlanthen, Jean-Pierre Beltoise, Tony Brooks, Mike McDowell,Graham Gauld, Antoine Seyler, Jochen Mass, Vern Schuppan and Hans Herrmann.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 19:48

Richard, thank you as always for your assistance.

Graham, thank you for so swiftly and deftly answering the question. I apologise for a few things - one, the photo credit, as some of you have seen on Facebook, comes from Carlos Ghys via Kurt Ahrens.
Two, for not managing to notice Teddy Pilette, even though I was looking at his site to try and work out the other chaps!!!!! Maybe it's the angle or the hairline, but.. even so.
Three, for misidentifying Vaccarella as da Silva Ramos. Glad to see NDSR is still well and attending events.

I always love the GPDC(Ancien Pilotes) photo roll-call.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 06:12

Richard, thank you as always for your assistance.

Graham, thank you for so swiftly and deftly answering the question. I apologise for a few things - one, the photo credit, as some of you have seen on Facebook, comes from Carlos Ghys via Kurt Ahrens.
Two, for not managing to notice Teddy Pilette, even though I was looking at his site to try and work out the other chaps!!!!! Maybe it's the angle or the hairline, but.. even so.
Three, for misidentifying Vaccarella as da Silva Ramos. Glad to see NDSR is still well and attending events.

I always love the GPDC(Ancien Pilotes) photo roll-call.



Nano is in sparkling form and during the Museum visit we sat down for a coffee and talked about his early life and racing Sadly, the oldest member, Ribert Manzon (95) could not make it but I sas him in May and he to was prattling away like mad like a French version of Jackie Stewart. You may not have recognised Teddy Pilette because he has now gone for the shaven head look

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 14:00

Yes, Roger it is the entry to the Courtyard which is exactly the same today and will be scuffed, no doubt, at the Bo'ness hill climb revival to be held on September 8/9

This is a photo of Tony Marsh in 1966 with the BRM photographed from behind.

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Wow, he is leaning on it isn't he..!

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 18:03

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