Jump to content


Photo

Ex aequo results


  • Please log in to reply
20 replies to this topic

#1 a_tifoosi

a_tifoosi
  • Member

  • 127 posts
  • Joined: February 05

Posted 09 June 2006 - 17:09

Apart from the last edition of the Syracuse GP (1967), is there any other motor racing race with an ex aequo result?

Thanks in advance.


Narcís.

Advertisement

#2 2F-001

2F-001
  • Member

  • 2,272 posts
  • Joined: November 01

Posted 09 June 2006 - 17:40

I'm assuming you're referring to a shared first place?
The only one I can remember actually witnessing, in person, was the British Saloon Championship round at Mallory Park in 1969.
In the race for up to 1000cc and up to 1300cc classes, Chris Craft (Broadspeed Escort GT) deadheated with Gordon Spice (Britax-Downton Cooper S).

(Apologies if I've missed the point entirely.)

#3 WHITE

WHITE
  • Member

  • 1,481 posts
  • Joined: July 05

Posted 09 June 2006 - 17:44

Originally posted by a_tifoosi
Apart from the last edition of the Syracuse GP (1967), is there any other motor racing race with an ex aequo result?

Thanks in advance.


Narcís.




As you are talking about "ex aequo result" and fast lap is a result after all, I remember there was a British GP in which the fastest lap was attibuted to several drivers. I can not remember the accurate information, but most probably some dear member will help us with this.

#4 2F-001

2F-001
  • Member

  • 2,272 posts
  • Joined: November 01

Posted 09 June 2006 - 17:54

That would be 1954, I think. Several sources indicate the fastest lap being credited to Ascari, Behra, Fangio, Gonzales, Hawthorn, Marimon and Moss (seven in all). I suspect that may have had as much to do with an inadequacy of the teaming equipment as too close competition, since all the times in the results (race, practice and FLs) seem to be quoted in whole seconds.

I made the assumption that Narcis was thinking particularly about race wins since that's what I recalled abou the race mentioned. Wasn't that a couple of Ferraris? Parkes and... ?

#5 Alexey Rogachev

Alexey Rogachev
  • Member

  • 835 posts
  • Joined: May 02

Posted 09 June 2006 - 17:56

Originally posted by a_tifoosi
Apart from the last edition of the Syracuse GP (1967), is there any other motor racing race with an ex aequo result?

Thanks in advance.


Narcís.


In the 1974 Kalev Trophy (USSR, Estonia, Pirita-Kose-Kloostrimetsa circuit) the drivers who took 1st and 2nd places in the F4 race - Toivo Asmer and Tõnu Teesalu - had equal times, 31'06.8". I don't know whether both of them were awarded the first place or they managed to determine somehow the winner and the runner-up.

#6 a_tifoosi

a_tifoosi
  • Member

  • 127 posts
  • Joined: February 05

Posted 09 June 2006 - 18:06

Originally posted by 2F-001
I made the assumption that Narcis was thinking particularly about race wins since that's what I recalled abou the race mentioned. Wasn't that a couple of Ferraris? Parkes and... ?


Parkes and Scarfiotti. They both dead-heated in honour of the recently killed Lorenzo Bandini.

About the 'result', it doesn't matter if it's a first place or not.


Narcís.

#7 Pablo Vignone

Pablo Vignone
  • Member

  • 276 posts
  • Joined: April 04

Posted 09 June 2006 - 18:24

In June 25th, 1967, Carlos Reutemann and Oscar Mauricio Franco shared the win at 165 km/h in a Touring Car race at the Rafaela oval track, central Argentina. Both drivers drove Fiat 1500 sedans.

#8 ensign14

ensign14
  • Member

  • 36,881 posts
  • Joined: December 01

Posted 09 June 2006 - 19:28

There was a dead-heat for 3rd in NASCAR about 30 years ago but can't find the specifics at the moment.

#9 Barry Boor

Barry Boor
  • Member

  • 10,825 posts
  • Joined: October 00

Posted 09 June 2006 - 21:02

Parkes and Scarfiotti were given a joint first place but IIRC one of them was clearly ahead of the other.

It suited the team, the organisers and the situation to call it a dead-heat and nobody minded one bit.

#10 ensign14

ensign14
  • Member

  • 36,881 posts
  • Joined: December 01

Posted 09 June 2006 - 21:40

IROC back in 1992, Harry Gant and Ricky Rudd dead-heated for 2nd at sunny Daytona.

#11 a_tifoosi

a_tifoosi
  • Member

  • 127 posts
  • Joined: February 05

Posted 10 June 2006 - 08:49

Coppa delle Alpi 1925, categoria Militari Truppa: Aletti and Margonari dead-heated for first place, both in a Fiat.


Narcís.

#12 a_tifoosi

a_tifoosi
  • Member

  • 127 posts
  • Joined: February 05

Posted 10 June 2006 - 19:03

Another one:

21/V/1934, Bol d'Or:

1. Chevallier, Chevallier
1. Maillard-Brune, MG
3. Lemaitre, EHP



Narcís.

#13 Bruno

Bruno
  • Member

  • 562 posts
  • Joined: June 06

Posted 12 June 2006 - 05:48

GP de Syracuse 21/5/1967: Ludovico Scarfiotti/312 F1 and Mikes Parkes/312 F1 67


Posted Image

#14 jph

jph
  • Member

  • 370 posts
  • Joined: January 03

Posted 12 June 2006 - 10:10

Nick Brittan (Fraser Imp) and John Young (Superspeed Anglis) dead-heated for first pace in the up to 1000cc Spring Grove saloon car race at Brands Hatch in August 1966.

#15 D-Type

D-Type
  • Member

  • 8,022 posts
  • Joined: February 03

Posted 12 June 2006 - 11:39

Originally posted by Bruno
GP de Syracuse 21/5/1967: Ludovico Scarfiotti/312 F1 and Mikes Parkes/312 F1 67


Posted Image

Although from this angle it is impossible to say with any certainty, it does look as if Scarfiotti is about half a wheel ahead.

#16 Stefan Ornerdal

Stefan Ornerdal
  • Member

  • 578 posts
  • Joined: January 01

Posted 12 June 2006 - 11:43

It was a dead heat between Reine Wisell and Tim Schenken at Montlhéry 1969:
http://www.formula2.net/F369_E38.htm


Stefan

#17 Barry Boor

Barry Boor
  • Member

  • 10,825 posts
  • Joined: October 00

Posted 12 June 2006 - 17:46

You took the words right out of my mouth, D.

#18 Thodore33

Thodore33
  • Member

  • 157 posts
  • Joined: January 03

Posted 12 June 2006 - 19:50

Hy,

During the 97's European GP at Jerez, three drivers scored the pole position !!!
Jacques Villeneuve ( Williams Renault ) : 1'21"072, Pole position
Michael Schumacher ( Ferrari ) : 1'21"072, 2nd
Heinz-Harald Frentzen ( Williams Renault ) : 1'21"072, 3rd

Very strange, isn't it ???

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#19 Barry Boor

Barry Boor
  • Member

  • 10,825 posts
  • Joined: October 00

Posted 12 June 2006 - 20:02

As I recall there was always a degree of suspicion about that one.

Advertisement

#20 Rob Semmeling

Rob Semmeling
  • Member

  • 829 posts
  • Joined: December 02

Posted 13 June 2006 - 07:11

Originally posted by Barry Boor
As I recall there was always a degree of suspicion about that one.


Why?


Another one: DARM at Zolder, 1971: Dieter Kern and Hans Schulze-Schwering shared first place after they crossed the line simultaneously.

#21 lustigson

lustigson
  • Member

  • 4,751 posts
  • Joined: March 01

Posted 13 June 2006 - 07:18

Originally posted by Barry Boor
As I recall there was always a degree of suspicion about that one.

Was there? Of course, three drivers doing equal lap times while the timing systems show three decimals (and, IIRC, count four!), is rather unlikely.