For sure
#1
Posted 13 June 2006 - 08:23
But one thing that really bugged me about him was his use of the phrase "for sure". Not only did he use it several times to emphasis a point he was making (that is JUST permissible) but twice he started a sentence using those words. I almost screamed. I first noticed this in motor racing in about 1980, when it was a phrase used by non-native English speakers, usually to explain why they hadn't done very well in practice or the race e.g "for sure I could have won today" (which should have been followed by the words "if I hadn't crashed my McLaren again" - no prizes for guessing who I was thinking of).
I'm no expert on the language, but to me it doesn't quite seem like good English, even colloquial English. I don't know why, but "for sure" annoys the hell out of me - and that's for sure.
Rant over.
#3
Posted 13 June 2006 - 08:57
Here are a few rapidly gathered ‘for sures’ just from assorted press conferences at Silverstone this last weekend. They all happen to be courtesy of the current World Champion but he is one of many with a predilection for those two infuriating little words.
“...and for sure, we need to keep doing things like this.”
“I had a little bit too much understeer and for sure, during the first and second laps I wasn't quick enough."
"...but tomorrow it will be interesting to watch the race for sure."
"We did some set-up changes that for sure helped the car."
"...but for sure, we have our main opponents very close to us."
And for his crescendo: “I think McLaren can be a problem tomorrow for sure, for us, we've been quick compared to other people, but we are in similar conditions more or less to all the cars. I think they are competitive and for sure tomorrow, in the long runs, they are normally quite constant as we saw always in the past and they take care of the tyres so for sure they will be, tomorrow for us.”
#4
Posted 13 June 2006 - 09:05
Originally posted by Vanwall
Ha! Annoys me too, to be sure, to be sure! It’s an F1 thing.
Here are a few rapidly gathered ‘for sures’ just from assorted press conferences at Silverstone this last weekend. They all happen to be courtesy of the current World Champion but he is one of many with a predilection for those two infuriating little words.
“...and for sure, we need to keep doing things like this.”
“I had a little bit too much understeer and for sure, during the first and second laps I wasn't quick enough."
"...but tomorrow it will be interesting to watch the race for sure."
"We did some set-up changes that for sure helped the car."
"...but for sure, we have our main opponents very close to us."
And for his crescendo: “I think McLaren can be a problem tomorrow for sure, for us, we've been quick compared to other people, but we are in similar conditions more or less to all the cars. I think they are competitive and for sure tomorrow, in the long runs, they are normally quite constant as we saw always in the past and they take care of the tyres so for sure they will be, tomorrow for us.”
“Like...and for sure, we need to keep, Like... doing things like this.”
“Like...I had a little bit too much understeer and for sure, during the first and second laps like... I wasn't quick enough."
"Like..but tomorrow it will be interesting to watch the race for sure."
"Like ...We did some set-up changes that for sure helped the car."
"Like ...but for sure, we have our main opponents like...very close to us."
#5
Posted 13 June 2006 - 09:21
Henry
#6
Posted 13 June 2006 - 09:49
#7
Posted 13 June 2006 - 09:51
Edit: Sorry, 'RS', you beat me to it.
#8
Posted 13 June 2006 - 10:50
#9
Posted 13 June 2006 - 11:52
That might explain how it got from Emmo into Ronspeak, and picked up up by the impressionable nipper.
#10
Posted 13 June 2006 - 15:31
Yes, I did notice one G. Berger using "for sure" a lot in his day...for sure...
The expressions that really grate my ear are: "like" [is it or isn't it], "I mean" [yes, we do know it is just your opinion anyway] and "and stuff" [what "stuff"?"]
[/contributory rant over]
#11
Posted 13 June 2006 - 15:36
Originally posted by HiRich
I have vague recollections of Jacques Laffite using it (or did he have another catchphrase?), and Alan Prost (mangled into a nasal "vujur"). I definitely remember Nigel Roebuck commenting on someone's regular use of it, and I'm pretty sure he was talking about Prost.
That might explain how it got from Emmo into Ronspeak, and picked up up by the impressionable nipper.
Prost gets my vote too - he said it all the time, via his nose. And then all the French drivers took it up and it spread liek widfire. For sure. or Foreshore. Where the little sea creatures live.
#12
Posted 13 June 2006 - 15:40
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#14
Posted 13 June 2006 - 16:08
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Frank S
Yer Darn Tootin'
#15
Posted 13 June 2006 - 16:29
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Posted 13 June 2006 - 16:35
#17
Posted 13 June 2006 - 16:48
If you do not believe the hype, make sure you watch race 2 of the Silverstone GP2. It should be on ITV this coming Saturday lunchtime. He started 8th and won. Everybody I met was talking about it afterwards at the Grand Prix (and at the Moss statue unveiling at Mallory yesterday), particularly discussing his move going three abreast into Maggots at 170mph and coming out infront to overtake Piquet and Piccione.
#18
Posted 13 June 2006 - 16:50
#19
Posted 13 June 2006 - 16:50
Originally posted by RTH
People who say "It's a very unique car " !
Totally unique, or just partially?
For me, the use of the word "stunning". Sift through some adverts dealing with classic racing- or sports car, and every other one is guaranteed to be "stunning". Or even completely stunning. Or totally stunning. And it is not a non-native-English speaker thing, either.....for sure.
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#20
Posted 13 June 2006 - 17:09
Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
. Everybody I met was talking about it afterwards at the Grand Prix (and at the Moss statue unveiling at Mallory yesterday), particularly discussing his move going three abreast into Maggots at 170mph and coming out infront to overtake Piquet and Piccione.
Saw that on Eurosport earlier, not only is the boy technically good he proved there he has the cojones for the job - proper kart racing move that, for sure! Slightly OT but I wonder how much the press will cotton onto his ethnicity when he gets to F1? For me it should'nt be an issue but I guess it will be easy meat for the lazy journos who need to fill pages.
#21
Posted 13 June 2006 - 18:09
No doubt known to French Australians as Beaut Sheila VerschuurOriginally posted by Paul Taylor
There's a lady racing driver from Holland called Sheila Verschuur
#22
Posted 13 June 2006 - 21:06
#23
Posted 14 June 2006 - 01:04
My recollection of Fittipaldi's most over-used word: fantastic.
And the most worn-out concept of this still-young century: retro. Try to think of something as astounding as the E type was in 1961, boys, instead of just mocking it. (And that goes double for the Miura).
Jack
#24
Posted 14 June 2006 - 06:46
#25
Posted 14 June 2006 - 07:22
Originally posted by Barry Boor
Actually, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned actually.....
Obviously....;)
#26
Posted 14 June 2006 - 08:22
Nowadays, many English speaking sportsmen use it - and not just racing drivers too.
#27
Posted 14 June 2006 - 08:34
The following is from the Everly Brothers’ 1960 No.1 ‘Cathy’s Clown’:
Don't want your love any more
Don't want your kisses that's for sure
I die each time I hear the sound
Here he comes, that's Cathy's clown
But, like Eric, I first remember hearing the term without the "that's" from M Prost
#28
Posted 14 June 2006 - 09:59
The Irish have also using accused of using "sure" as a prefix as in "Sure and I'll be droppin' into the pub later on" - althjough more in Hollywood films than in real life.
#29
Posted 14 June 2006 - 10:51
Originally posted by David McKinney
No doubt known to French Australians as Beaut Sheila Verschuur
Eue Contraire David...we would all agree that Sheila is a very nice looking young lady...and hope she is as fast as she looks
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 11:13
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 12:25
#33
Posted 14 June 2006 - 12:45
Originally posted by Eric McLoughlin
I've always associated "For sure" with Prost. My interpretation of it is that it is an equivalent of the French expression "Bien Sur".
"Bien sur" would rather translate to "of course" , whereas by "for sure" I guess they mean "surely".
Actually , the term "Pour Sur" ( direct translation of "for sure" ) does exist in french, although it's considered as old-fashioned or colloquial in France.....however, I do think it is frequently used - and considered correct - in belgian french ( and I hope I'm not going to be burnt down by the belgian members of this forum ! )
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 17:44
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#37
Posted 14 June 2006 - 23:21
Well, you know, at the end of the day, when push comes to shove, speaking personally (as you do), I have to say that, in the long run, you know, when it's early doors I think that's meaningful.
#38
Posted 15 June 2006 - 03:55
#39
Posted 15 June 2006 - 05:33
Ahem! There's a phrase with some currency Down Under. It started, as far as I can recall, about two years ago amongst politicians. It smartly migrated to media people, then to captains of industry and its ubiquity is such that it now extends right down to Product Managers!
It's "Going forward". Some wag suggested its use should be restricted to bus and truck drivers but of course, all those using it find they prefer it to the humble "in future".
Did it start in Oz, is it unique to Oz, or is my insularity showing?
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#40
Posted 15 June 2006 - 06:45
Originally posted by Vanwall
This thread is evolving, for sure.
Ahem! There's a phrase with some currency Down Under. It started, as far as I can recall, about two years ago amongst politicians. It smartly migrated to media people, then to captains of industry and its ubiquity is such that it now extends right down to Product Managers!
It's "Going forward". Some wag suggested its use should be restricted to bus and truck drivers but of course, all those using it find they prefer it to the humble "in future".
Did it start in Oz, is it unique to Oz, or is my insularity showing?
Yes yes yes yes yes
It has made NZ - for sure. At this time.
Going bloody forward.
A friend of mine used it in the pub the other night. We were with other people otherwise I would have slapped him...at that point in time.
As one does...
#41
Posted 15 June 2006 - 08:01
It's been a regular item of UK managementspeak for several years. I presume it was imported from the US (Harvard?)Originally posted by Vanwall
Did it start in Oz, is it unique to Oz, or is my insularity showing?
#42
Posted 15 June 2006 - 08:58
I miss "Let's run that up the flagpole and see who salutes it ...." For sure.
#43
Posted 15 June 2006 - 09:14
Originally posted by doc knutsen
Obviously....;)
Obviously is, to be honest, actually one of the most abused words, for sure.
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Posted 15 June 2006 - 09:28
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Posted 15 June 2006 - 09:43
#47
Posted 15 June 2006 - 09:47
Originally posted by hyperbolica
Obviously is, to be honest, actually one of the most abused words, for sure.
Absolutely
#48
Posted 15 June 2006 - 13:48
Originally posted by Vitesse2 He's Welsh, if that means anything.[/B]
Don't think I didn't notice that, mun!
#49
Posted 15 June 2006 - 14:11
#50
Posted 15 June 2006 - 16:57
Originally posted by Vitesse2
Where is Fines?