1930s, 40s or 50s map of Spa-Francorchamps?
Posted 23 June 2006 - 05:31
I was wondering if anyone had or could point me at a good quality image of a map of Spa Francorchamp from either the 1930's/40 era or the 1950/60's.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Posted 23 June 2006 - 17:03
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Posted 24 June 2006 - 06:52
Certainly the road from the Masta Kink to Hollowell isn't straight by any stretch of the imagination
Posted 24 June 2006 - 19:08
Posted 24 June 2006 - 21:58
Kind of a shame they butchered the history of the circuit for that cause.
Posted 25 June 2006 - 05:04
Posted 25 June 2006 - 06:56
It's a pleasant area to go walking in (if it is is vaguely accessible to you) inside and outside of new and old circuits.
Some of the older circuit maps indicate a notable curve or kink, part-way between the right-hand kink after the top of Radillon and the section now known (on the 'new' circuit) as Les Combes. Assuming those maps are correct, when was that kink removed? When the 'new' track was built, or before? (Although I've explored the area a great deal, my first visit was not until the early nineties.)
Posted 25 June 2006 - 07:26
So, when did they straighten that piece of road. or in fact, did they ever?
Posted 25 June 2006 - 07:29
Posted 25 June 2006 - 08:54
I'm taking the original 'Les Combes' to mean the pronounced lefthander, where the current main road makes a junction with Rue des Combes and the little road that runs past the caravan park (an on towards Rivage - the settlement, not the corner).
The righthand kink leading into that is at the point the 'new' circuit turns hard right, and leads past the run-off space to the metal gates across the road. Thereafter it's lefthand kinks until a very gentle right at a road that is now called (I think) Myrtle's Way, before the long Burnenville curve.
What I was thinking of the what is often shown as a long sweep before the top of the hill and predominantly to the left.
I'm beginning to think this is a cumulative effect of slightly sloppy mapping, positioning the right after Radillon a litle bit too far uo the road, exaggerating the right curve at the top of the hill, and not leaving enough in between to indicate as straight. Of the various older maps I have, several differ in this area, even differing as to which way the track curved, so I'm beginning to doubt them all.
Posted 27 June 2006 - 21:00
Posted 03 July 2006 - 12:26
I have an aerial pic of the track taken a little while after the 'new' track opened which shows the tree line on the inside being 'wiggly' as if the road might have been straightened. I've walked up and around there often enough but have never particularly noted that aspect - I just assumed it was always more-or-less straight... there is a spot on the inside of the 'Kemmel' straight where the ground does not drop away quite so suddenly.
Posted 04 July 2006 - 21:04
You're right it is MFQ 2 - Don't know how I got that wrong as it's still my favourite bit of the whole series ! More old Spa footage please DCN and DW !!
I don't have a scanner but in Francorchamps 1948 - 1960 ( Jean-Paul Delsaux ) at top of page 214 there's a photo taken at Km 1 looking in the direction of the race that shows the first part of the right left right that was bypassed when the new circuit was built ( I also think the wiggly tree line is an aerial giveaway as to where this section originally was ) . Don't be fooled by the reference to Burnenville in the picture captioning as I believe the whole section from Eau Rouge up to Haut de La Cote was referred to as the Burnenville hill.
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