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#1 2F-001

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 10:15

In an article that has been submitted to me it has been suggested to the author that Jim Clark's F. Libre race with an 18, at Charterhall in 1960, could have been the only Scottish appearance of Team Lotus. Aside from raising the question of who or what exactly constituted 'Team Lotus' in those earlier days - it set me wondering about 'Gold Leaf' Team cars.

I was sure I could recall an appearance by one or more Lotus 62s at Ingliston - but the only one I can find a record of is a late win for Dave Brodie, but that was the Chris Barber car, so whatever colours it ran in (and I don't remember) that is not a works entry.
I had a recollection of possibly Roy Pike or John Miles running a works 62 there, but I'm probably imagining it.

Would the works F3 cars have run there, sometime in the Pike-Nunn-Bond-Walker eras?
Altogether more generally, does anyone know any good sites for F3 results from that era? I've googled without conspicuous success.

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#2 Cirrus

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 10:35

Stefan O's site has many mid-sixties F3 results

http://www.formula2.net/

and Gerald Swan's indespensible F3 site http://www.f3history.co.uk/ has race reports from the 70s

#3 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 10:41

The Chris Barber cars were not works entries , they were iirc purchased from the factory after a Gerry Kinnane had returned them , and got a 69 in return.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 11:48

In 1968 or 69 I can remember seeing a Lotus single seater in 'classic' Team Lotus colours (green with yellow stripe) running at Ingliston in a FL race. Unfortunately I can't remember much more - there was something 'strange' about it - like a V8 Ford or Chev engine!

#5 Sharman

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 11:54

There is only one person to ask, GG!!!

#6 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 12:24

The GLTL Lotus 62s did appear at Ingliston.
Much to my father's annoyance, as a kid I would cut up his 'Autosports' and put the pictures in my scrap books. I still have them - great for reference for my work now, however I did not date the pictures and have no idea when this race was. I knew I had seen this photo in one of my books -
copyright LAT no doubt, understand if you have to remove it mods if necessary.
John Miles I guess leading the field into the Esses.

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#7 2F-001

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 12:31

Looks like a GT40 and a couple of B8s in there too.
Thanks Andrew - I'm relieved that my memory is, at least in part, functioning!
I did recall seeing a report of such a race, but I can't think what in - it wasn't Autosport. I'm tempted to say something like "Automobile Sport" but I'm not sure that existed then.

#8 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 12:37

How about 'Speedworld International'. Remember that?

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 12:39

Fantastic picture. Any idea who was driving the other 62? And what was UWT 2F?

#10 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 13:26

Is it a Mercury?

#11 ian senior

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 13:43

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
Is it a Mercury?


Not sure, but WT was a West Yorkshire registration number so presumably that's where it was based. Could it even be an early Ta(y)dec from Keighley, or did they only do open cars?

#12 bill patterson

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 13:45

The single-seater referred to in D-Type's post could have been Jock Russell's Lotus 43 which was fitted with a 289 Ford V8 - I remember it running in early F5000 races

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 13:47

Speedworld International - I don't remember actually buying any editions of that, so can't recall what I was reading.

I'm guessing this race was '69? Chris Harvey's book suggests the cars were retired from works duty at the end of that season.

#14 bill patterson

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 13:51

Brian Muir in the other Lotus 62 ??

#15 2F-001

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 13:57

I wondered about Brian Muir - he certainly drove one on some of the international outings, and Mike Beckwith and Mo Nunn (both GLTL F3 drivers at some point, I thnk) had a drive - but I still have this idea that F3 man Roy Pike drove one somewhere.

Are we sure that Miles is in one of them in this instance?

#16 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 15:37

Johnny Tipler's book 'Lotus Racing Cars 1968-2000' suggests that John Miles, Brian Muir and Roy Pike were the only drivers to use the Martin Wade designed 62 and they were only raced by the works in 1969. It was only built as a test bed for the new Lotus type 907 engines that were to go in the Elite road car. Several club events were entered and confusingly they were entered as 'Lotus Europas' despite the fact they were very different to the type 47 Europas. The book mentions that one 62 was indeed pensioned off to Chris Barber and was raced in 1970 by Dave Brodie.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 16:05

Ah- the mention I found of Nunn and Beckwith relates to an "entry" rather than a "race".

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 19:37

Originally posted by ian senior
Fantastic picture. Any idea who was driving the other 62? And what was UWT 2F?


Looks like the Mercury GT to me - really a Lotus 23, wasn't it?

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Posted 07 July 2006 - 12:18

UWT 2F was George Silverwood's Mercury.

I believe this race was at ingliston on July 13 1969, and won by John Miles' 62. Brian Muir retired the other 62 with battery problems.

The GT40 is Andrew Fletcher's, and finished 2nd