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#1 Sharman

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Posted 09 July 2006 - 09:52

The above name has cropped up in the context of Elvas in the 1950's, any body help with information?

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#2 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 09 July 2006 - 10:33

:lol: Mustard , helping Leslie Hawthorne?

#3 Peter Morley

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Posted 09 July 2006 - 16:44

I think his surname should be Coleman?

He was the original owner of my Elva mark 1.

Later on I think he had some connection with one of the companies that upgrades E-type Jaguars - Eagle possible.

The late Roger Hurst knew him and mentioned the Jaguar connection.

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Posted 09 July 2006 - 16:59

:lol: Then I am wrong !

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Posted 12 July 2006 - 12:29

Back issues please, the name is Peter Coleman and he was Elva involved, 1950's Mk1 what did he run in and what were his results
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#6 Peter Morley

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Posted 22 October 2006 - 12:10

Originally posted by Sharman
Back issues please, the name is Peter Coleman and he was Elva involved, 1950's Mk1 what did he run in and what were his results
JF


I recently found this poor photocopy of a photo of Peter Coleman racing his Elva (YKJ 400) at Brands Hatch on Easter Monday in 1959.

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Other race entries I found were Silverstone September 20th 1959 & Brand Hatch July 12th 1959.

It was advertised for sale in Autosport October 9th 1959.

Presumably it didn't sell because he later converted the car into a Lotus 7 style car, replacing the Falcon body with aluminium panels and fitting an Anglia 105E engine.

Henry Pearman knows Peter Coleman and is in contact with him, but I understand that Peter is not very well and doesn't remember a great deal.

#7 Sharman

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Posted 22 October 2006 - 21:31

Hoy mate, not in 1956 he didn't fit a 105E engine. He fitted a 100E with an Elva head, he told me that he made the patterns for that head. When he bought it from Elva it didn't have an engine but it was registered as an 1100 Engine No C70835
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#8 Peter Morley

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 08:52

Originally posted by Sharman
Hoy mate, not in 1956 he didn't fit a 105E engine. He fitted a 100E with an Elva head, he told me that he made the patterns for that head. When he bought it from Elva it didn't have an engine but it was registered as an 1100 Engine No C70835
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Hi John

I agree, 105E engine didn't exist when they first built the car.

I thought he fitted the 105E engine around 1959 (maybe later) - the reports of him racing the car were from 1959, no idea what it did the first 3 years of its life?

Are 100E engine mounts similar to 105E? The chassis was tailored for 105E mounts - used standard Anglia engine mounts.

The 105E came with 4 Amal carbs, would they have been used on the OHV converted 100E?

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#9 Sharman

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 16:52

Hi Peter
Highly unlikely that he fitted a 105 in 1959, not introduced until Sep 30th of that year and was only supplied in 997 cc form: the Elva was registered in 1956 as an 1100. What engine series does C70835 correspond with? Amals strikes me as the choice of somebody who is either very switched on about carburation or could not afford Webers, and don't ask me how many inlet ports an IOE head had. So did PC get the car with a Climax, I think not, casting backwards the IOE was fitted by Elva to this car, it was a works car and the head was only offered for sale in Spring 1956 so it (engine)would have been taken out before it was sold by the Works. Goes back to my last post. I'm sure PC said he fitted a 100E, maybe I misunderstood and it was without a head. What is needed are programmes from Brands for 56/7 so that we can see what was entered.
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Posted 23 October 2006 - 20:03

Hi John

Here's a photo of an Elva with OHV conversion.

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You can see that it has 4 ports!

Here's a photo of the Anglia engine after it had been rebuilt before it went back in the ex-Peter Coleman car.

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The PC car said 1100cc engine in the logbook, linered down (presumably OHV converted) Ford 100E would be the normal engine?
Given it wasn't registered until October 1956 it could have had an OHV head from new.

Chances are the engine number is Ford 100E - high enough number to be a prodcution car engine.

The car still had a Falcon body when it was raced I assume it still had both the original engine & body during 1959, and that he fitted the Anglia engine when he removed the bodywork which would have been late 1959 at the earliest?

Peter

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 20:08

Forgot to say the photo of the OHV engine came from Bob who's also posted it on the Elva specialist thread!

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 20:20

Just looked at smallfordspares.co.uk and they say that Ford engine numbers matched chassis numbers.
10Hp engine numbers started with a C and had 6 digits by the 1950s.
100E engines started with 100E, number 70835 would have been about 1955/56........

The question then is how the numbers were marked - chances are they wouldn't have stamped the prefix on the engine (since the engine itself would give you the type) and it is a Ford 100E number, the C could either have been added by PC (C for Coleman or converted?).