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#1 Barry Boor

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Posted 16 July 2006 - 21:25

This name has made itself known to me today. I have never noticed it before.

This gentleman drove a Connaught in the Aintree 200 in 1958, was entered for one or two other races but did not appear.

So where was he from? Edwards is a Welsh surname. How did he come to drive just one race? And of course, what happened to him?

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#2 Geoff E

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Posted 16 July 2006 - 22:24

The battle of Verdun in 1916 spawned at least a dozen EDWARDS babies in 1916-17 with a forename Verdun.

At least three of them had Verdun as a first name - deaths records (1984-2004) show

1916-1994 (died Glamorgan)
1917-2001 (died Slough district)
1916-1999 (died Walsall)

Birth Records (first name) have

Q1 1917 One in Dudley district
Q3 1916 One in Shardlow, one in Pontypool
Q2 1916 One each in Bridgend, Pontypool and Newport districts

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#3 Vitesse2

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Posted 16 July 2006 - 22:33

Considering the famous quote from Pétain, I have to say that Verdun is an excellent name for a racing driver ;) :lol:

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Posted 16 July 2006 - 23:25

The Connaught was entered by Autospeed Garage. In 1956 a V. Edwards was competing at Aintree and Oulton Park in an ERA Jaguar again entered by Autospeed, so I guess the same chap. Ken Flint also competed in the ERA Jaguar for Autospeed in 1956. I guess someone can tell us all about this. Liverpool garagistes?

Wild guess here, there's a Frederick Verdun Edwards who died in Cheshire 1995 aged 78

I see Flint competed at Crystal Palace and Edwards at Aintree in 1955, car described by Martin Krejci's site as ERA "E type" Jaguar GP1

#5 David McKinney

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Posted 17 July 2006 - 05:02

Ken Flint and Verdun Edwards raced the uprated E-Type ERA in several club events in the mid '50s, then acquired one of the ex-auction B-Type Connaughts. Flint did most of the driving of both cars (at least his name appears in the results more often) but ISTR they were joint owners of the Connaught, at least

#6 Sharman

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Posted 17 July 2006 - 06:26

I think that they also owned "Remus" at one time. I do remember them offering an ERA for sale for £500

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Posted 17 July 2006 - 07:58

Originally posted by Sharman
I think that they also owned "Remus" at one time. I do remember them offering an ERA for sale for ?500

I don't know about "them"
Flint was certainly a B-Type ERA owner

#8 Sharman

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Posted 17 July 2006 - 08:41

Sorry if I confused things there, I should have said Ken Flint, offering what I believe was Remus , this was before Douglas Hull(or was it Peter) bought it

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Posted 17 July 2006 - 13:01

It is old age and failing memory. Douglas Hull drove R11B, now the thing I can't remember is; did the Hulls have more than one ERA?

#10 David McKinney

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Posted 17 July 2006 - 13:36

I don't think they owned any
Arthur Jeddere-Fisher was the owner of R11B, which Douglas Hull drove with a lot of success (and Peter wrote about). There was another ERA before that but I can't remember OTTOMH which one - R9B?

#11 Adam F

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Posted 17 July 2006 - 14:02

According to the recent list of owners published by the ERA Club, Ken Flint did own Remus/R5B, between 1954 & 55.

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Posted 17 July 2006 - 16:10

Thank God for that, memory is not completely gone! As I said earlier, £500, shall we have a whip round? Away from ERA's and Connaughts but sticking with prices. There was a transport company on the way into Northwich, just near Brunner-Mond where there was parked under cover a BMW special, which I think had been built by Gillie Tyrer, I asked about buying it once. Even borrowing from my old man and raiding the Post Office Savings I couldn't make the £120 needed, I was still a student and Bank Managers had fits of the giggles if "loan" was suggested.

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 18:28

Sorry I posted my reply, then deleted it .. Here it is again ..

I am the youngest paternal granddaughter of Verdun Edwards 1916-1994 South Wales.

I would like to provide a little more nostalgia to your thread as follows:

Verdun, a strikingly handsome man, was born in Brynna, Rhondda Cynon Taf. He was the son of David and Bessie Edwards originally from Somerset. At 18 Verdun married my Nanna, Eva Cecilia Jenkins, 21 (deceased 2007) his childhood sweetheart from the next village Llanharan. Verdun developed an interest in photography and was employed as a projectionist. In 1935 they had the first of their 3 sons, my father Clem Edwards (deceased 1994).

They moved to Banks, Southport while Verdun was working his national service with the Air Force and they had their second son, Gordon John Edwards (deceased 2003). Gordon later went onto play keyboards and vocals in The Pretty Things and the Kinks touring America and the UK. With his flat feet and colour blindness Verdun took a ground position as vehicle and aircraft engineer.

They then moved to Liverpool which is where Verdun met Ken Flint - not sure if this is accurate. They became joint proprietors of Autospeed Garage in Garston, Liverpool. Their business card reads: “Sports and Racing Car Tuning & Modification Specialists. All types of Automobile Repairs. Car Sales”. Verdun bought a family home on Fazakerley Road, Liverpool close enough to hear Aintree. Their youngest, son Raymond Martin Edwards was then born.

My father Clem specialised as an electrical engineer while serving as a Royal Marine Commando and, like his father, had a passion for sports and racing cars. After Clem was demobbed, he expressed an interest in joining his father’s business but Ken opposed the idea since Ken did not have any sons to join the business.

Verdun and his family moved to Fowey, Cornwall and along with Ken, became the proprietors of Cotswold Garage. This business included 3 sites: a VW and FIAT dealership with showroom, a petrol station and a service/repair centre. My mother can remember the large showroom with many VW, Jaguars and Fiat vehicles on sale.

While driving his VW Beetle in Somerset one afternoon in 1969, Verdun's car was hit head-on by another driver. Verdun suffered multiple fractures to his right femur, potts (ankle) fracture to both legs, a comminuted fracture (bone is splintered or crushed into a number of pieces) to his right pateller (kneecap) and 8-9 fractured ribs. He remained in Truro hospital for 6 months leaving in a wheelchair with steel pins/plates in both legs and a severe limp from the remainder of his life.

Consequently Verdun retired from driving racing cars and sold his share of the Cotswold Garage, possibly to a new owner(s). He moved his family into a self built Austrian chalet in Fowey, Cornwall for a number of years then moved back to my Nanna’s birthplace Llanharan. They moved again back to Verdun’s birthplace Brynna where he went on to run several businesses including a General Store and a Chip Shop in the village. I say he retired from racing, but continued his love of the motor car owning many at a time including Jaguars, Bentley’s, VW Beetles, Mercedes and an Oldsmobile.

I am trying to attach one photograph of my granddad in Sept 1954 at the Prescott International Hill Climb in what looks like the ‘Remus’ you have been referring to? A second photo Verdun is sat in another car - maybe someone can tell me the model of this car? - with his team mates: Wally O’Hara - mechanic, Ken Flint (with flat cap) - partner, Paul Kelly and Les Baxter – marshall. If you can give me some advice on the simplest way to post images .. preferably just browsing to my desktop but I cant see any browse link here..

I am also the proud owner of a limited edition framed print of the 1936 ‘B’ Type E.R.A. ‘Remus’ 1½ litres, Supercharged. 6 cylinders, Chassis no: R5B which Verdun gave me on the day of my father’s funeral.

I wish I had more detail on the cars and races Verdun entered for you now however I am developing a website with my sister Tracey and will post many photos there so I will send you a link when it is live. Thank you for reading my story about my grandfather, Verdun Edwards.

http://s287.photobuc...?albumview=grid

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 19:03

Well, thank goodness it was your deletion. I replied and then there you were, gone. I thought I had screwed it all up. What a delightful and informative reply you have written, filling in the gaps, and with such affection. I am sure that TNFers will value the response, especially after your family's sad years earlier this decade. There are links for posting pictures and plenty of help on the Forum. We look forward to the details of your website.
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Posted 07 May 2008 - 19:53

Ditto to what Roger said. Thanks for taking the time to inform us. Don't forget to post a link here to the site when it's up!


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#16 Barry Boor

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 13:35

As the thread starter, I am so pleased to see this information posted.

Thank you so much, ma'am! :)

#17 Doug Nye

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 19:50

Stunning! I have just been reading this thread, thinking I should perhaps weigh-in by confirming that Verdun Edwards was Ken Flint's partner in the cars, when grand-daughter provides that wonderful potted biography. Do I detect medical training? Thanks for a tremendous contribution...

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#18 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 20:42

If you send the pics to one of us, we'd be only too happy to post them for you...

The instructions in the 'sticky' thread at the top of the Nostalgia Forum page should help out if you wish to go that way too, medwards. It's a delight that you've weighed in here with this detailed information, the sort of thing that many here will appreciate.

My e.mail is at the bottom of this post.

#19 medwards

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Posted 14 May 2008 - 17:27

OK .. I am back and I have added a http link on the bottom of my earlier thread .. the photos are not in any particular order and there are photos of my father Clem and mother Josephine there too just coz I want to keep them all in one place.

I hope you like the ones of Verdun and the cars, maybe some of you can offer more information on the model names of the cars he drove and confirm whether the number 17 at Prescott was the Remus? .. I would like to know what the sexy black car is he drove at Aintree too. Only wish I was there too !

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#20 David McKinney

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Posted 14 May 2008 - 19:26

Lovely stuff
Most of the photos are of the ERA-Jaguar, but there are some of the B-Type Connaught (eg No.4 ay Aintree) and, yes, that looks like Remus at Prescott

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Posted 14 May 2008 - 19:41

Excellent archive photos. Many thanks, you will have many friends here..
The Aintree entries and results book listed elsewhere on TNF will give clearer details of grid and finishing places, I suspect.
A quick look through old Autosports lists Ken Flint as slated for the Aintree end of season Intl sports car race in the ERA Jaguar, although the race report only gives info on the main protagonists etc. The Shelsley August 28 - Sept 3 issue - report gives Ken Flint 2nd in class 4b in the ERA Jaguar on 40.64 secs, the same time as class winner C Wick in an Allard Cadillac, but, significantly, 0.36 sec ahead of Phil Scragg in the HWM.
There is no mention that I can see at a glance of your names in the Oulton book by Derek Lawson.
Given time I will look through A.sports for the Mallory meeting, plus Prescott.
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Posted 14 May 2008 - 19:51

Love the photos, particularly the one at Shelsley Walsh :up:



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#23 Adam F

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Posted 14 May 2008 - 19:58

medwards - thank you for some wonderful photos - particularly those of TKD 100 - the ERA-Jaguar.

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Posted 15 May 2008 - 11:18

In the index in the second, picture only, Oulton book by Derek Lawson there are 3 mentions of Ken Flint, one in the ERA Jaguar in 1956, and one in the Connaught in 1957 in the original narrative version, pp 9 and 11, with Flint in a named photo of the ERA Jag in 1956 after a bit of off-road action, p27, and an unnamed shot of the pitwall line up for the 30min L&CCC high speed trial on Oct 13 '56 with the ERA Jag as the first car in shot, p28. I understand the narrative is paraphrased from Autosport reports.
Roger Lund.

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Posted 15 May 2008 - 17:06

In my alterego, as someone connected to the "music business" , I've worked with the Pretty Things, and they use a studio near me. I should have put two and two together!!! They're still touring by the way! Fascinating thread!

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 01:21

Sorry I posted my reply, then deleted it .. Here it is again ..

I am the youngest paternal granddaughter of Verdun Edwards 1916-1994 South Wales.
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I wish I had more detail on the cars and races Verdun entered for you now however I am developing a website with my sister Tracey and will post many photos there so I will send you a link when it is live. Thank you for reading my story about my grandfather, Verdun Edwards.

http://s287.photobuc...?albumview=grid


Hello there!

I'm a grandson of Ken Flint, I just found this thread through google. I can confirm as far as I know all the details mentioned above are correct. If only they had hung on to Remus, worth millions now I believe and strangely was on public view in the toy and model museum in London the last I heard... a very big toy!

I would love to see those photos, but PhotoBucket says the album is now private and needs a password to access it... if you read this, please could you unlock it?

We have lots of photos too. I'm currently in New Zealand and the photos are all back in the UK and have not been scanned, but hopefully at some point I or someone in the family will put them online too.

Best wishes,
Chris

Edited by chrisclaydon, 19 October 2009 - 01:22.


#27 medwards

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 18:45

HI Chris,

I have changed the photobucket album to public now for all to see and sent you a private message.

Kind regards
Melanie

Hello there!

I'm a grandson of Ken Flint, I just found this thread through google. I can confirm as far as I know all the details mentioned above are correct. If only they had hung on to Remus, worth millions now I believe and strangely was on public view in the toy and model museum in London the last I heard... a very big toy!

I would love to see those photos, but PhotoBucket says the album is now private and needs a password to access it... if you read this, please could you unlock it?

We have lots of photos too. I'm currently in New Zealand and the photos are all back in the UK and have not been scanned, but hopefully at some point I or someone in the family will put them online too.

Best wishes,
Chris