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#1 Allen Brown

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 19:28

Ted Walker and I have a difference of opinion on this picture. While neither of us can identify any of the four ladies, I think TNF can solve it and Ted thinks it's too hard for you. So our bet is that TNF can identify two of the four within 12 hours. Ted reckons you can't.

You're not going to let him get away with that, are you?

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#2 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 19:43

How about Jean Stanley second from left .

#3 Allen Brown

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 20:15

Ted had the same thought but was told that it wasn't.

#4 Paul Parker

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 20:47

One will surely be Harry Schell's paramour, another perhaps Bonnier, but without wading through volumes and volumes I wouldn't like to guess which one.

#5 kayemod

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 20:50

Originally posted by EDWARD FITZGERALD
How about Jean Stanley second from left .


No, not Jean Stanley, once seen never forgotten.

#6 Allen Brown

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 20:50

I'm with you on that one Paul. My money's on the girl on the right as Harry Schell's significant other - she has a distinctly American look to her.

#7 David McKinney

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 21:34

Mme Schell second from right, I would have thought
The one on the far right could almost be - no, that's ridiculous

#8 frogeye59

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 21:46

Originally posted by David McKinney

The one on the far right could almost be - no, that's ridiculous


WHO ???

#9 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 22:09

Originally posted by frogeye59
WHO ???


Yeah... who?

#10 Twin Window

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 22:14

Maria Teresa de Filippis?

#11 Allen Brown

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 22:30

Originally posted by Twin Window
Maria Teresa de Filippis?

Which one? Well, none of them I reckon. Unless she'd died her hair and had a nose job.

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#12 KJJ

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 23:06

How will you know if we're right?

I was going to say that the polka dot princess was RiotBecki from The Pipettes popgroup........ but as this is TNF (average age 45 years 5 months) I doubt that is correct.

My guesses are (left to right) Jackie and Lorna Berthon, no-idea what they looked like, but they sound fun. Marianne Bonnier - this might be correct, the future Mrs Gillian Flockhart?

#13 RTH

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 23:15

Who took the photograph Ted, perhaps there is a clue there ?

#14 scags

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 01:30

are you sure they were'nt the company secreteries? They certainly aren't movie stars.

#15 Ralliart

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 02:24

Is the woman second from left Jean Behra's girlfriend/wife?

#16 David McKinney

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 06:02

Originally posted by Twin Window
Maria Teresa de Filippis?

That's why I said it was ridiculous :lol:

#17 Catalina Park

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 06:27

My guess, second from left Lorna Berthon, far right Arleo Gurney. But I am probably wrong (again)

#18 Allen Brown

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 06:49

It does look like Arleo Gurney doesn't it. A lot like her.

#19 Vicuna

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 07:10

Originally posted by kayemod


No, not Jean Stanley, once seen never forgotten.


:rotfl:

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#20 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 11:17

Originally posted by Allen Brown
It does look like Arleo Gurney doesn't it. A lot like her.


Where is Justin when you need him? Surely he could show this to his dad?

#21 bradbury west

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 14:29

Originally posted by KJJ
How will you know if we're right?

I was going to say that the polka dot princess was RiotBecki from The Pipettes popgroup........


Ken , you go top of the class just for thinking it. Doo Wop lives...

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#22 David M. Kane

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 15:48

It could be Mrs. Gurney, Mk. 1; but didn't he drive Ferrari Sports Cars in '59.

A fellow Doowopologist...

#23 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 15:57

To quote David Phipps' article on Gurney written at the time:

On 2 August, 1959, Dan Gurney, driving a "works" Ferrari, finished second in his second Grande Epreuve - in what was only his second race in a Formula One car. Yet less than two years earlier Dan could not find anybody, let alone Scuderia Ferrari, who would give him a regular drive in any sort of car.


So even if he didn't drive at Monaco, he could well have been there observing and learning, as a potential replacement driver or just sightseeing as there were no races for him elsewhere that weekend.

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 16:16

Originally posted by Ray Bell


Where is Justin when you need him? Surely he could show this to his dad?


Of course, the question should be

"Where is Jenks when you need him?" he knew everybody

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#25 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 18:00

Originally posted by bradbury west


Of course, the question should be

"Where is Jenks when you need him?" he knew everybody

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He's out for a beer

#26 Allen Brown

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 19:13

Thanks for all the responses guys but Ted's won his bet :(

Graham Gauld showed the photo to Stirling Moss this afternoon but I'll let Ted tell you his response.

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 19:59

Thanks for all the responses guys but Ted's won his bet :(


The first sign of the Apocalypse? :confused:

#28 2F-001

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Posted 30 July 2006 - 10:37

Twelve hours over what is a hot summer weekend for the more heavily populated northern hemisphere, with at least one major historic motorsports attraction in the UK alone (to keep folk away from their terminals), and for a relatively obscure matter, is a bit of a tall order even for TNF! (Not that I could contribute anything beyond fairly hopeful guesses) Not the hardest-won beer ever, surely? :)

#29 Graham Gauld

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Posted 31 July 2006 - 07:17

Ted Was a bit busy at Silverstone. I did show the picture to Stirling and after intense scrutiny he remarked " No....I didn't have any of them."

#30 Ted Walker

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Posted 31 July 2006 - 09:42

I think the photo was circulated around the BRDC over the weekend but nothing. The photo was taken by Jerry Sloniger. I will have to ask him, although I think a certain Mr Nye might yet respond !!!!!! Thanks to Allen for posting the photo. Next time he comes to Gloucestershire hes going to give me "image shack lessons"

#31 Allen Brown

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Posted 31 July 2006 - 10:15

I'd love to Ted but I've never used ImageShack Ted. I put the image on OldRacingCars.com

#32 Ray Bell

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Posted 31 July 2006 - 15:41

I think I posted 'image shack lessons' in the Image shack thread, Ted...

It's so simple that even I can do it!

#33 T54

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 21:50

Regardless of their lost identity, certainly some very nice lookers... :)

#34 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 22:51

Absolutely! Especially the one on the right...

But I wonder what they look like now?

Pity, isn't it.

#35 Ted Walker

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 07:37

Come on Doug I know you know !!!!!!!!!

#36 Vicuna

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 08:37

Is it a week?

I can feel an apocalypse coming on....

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 09:34

To try to stave off the impending doom (or to cause it if I get something right)- the only lady in the picture that has possibility of being Marianne Bonnier is on the far left. I wouldn't care to guess if it is her or not (but if pressed hard, I'd say it is a possbility, and not so far-fetched), but if anyone has 'Cruel Sport' at hand there is full-page picture of her on pp 133 (Monaco '62).

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Posted 07 August 2006 - 18:32

Originally posted by Jerry Entin in another thread
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Ritchie Ginther and his Lovely wife Jackie recieving and award from Phil Hill in 1958. photo from Dave Friedman colletion.

Compare Jackie to the woman on the far right.

Originally posted by Allen Brown
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#39 Andretti Fan

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Posted 07 August 2006 - 22:35

It does look like her........I think..........maybe!

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#40 Peter Morley

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Posted 07 August 2006 - 22:52

Originally posted by Graham Gauld
I did show the picture to Stirling and after intense scrutiny he remarked " No....I didn't have any of them."


Presumably BRM's founder didn't either!!

#41 scheivlak

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Posted 07 August 2006 - 22:58

Originally posted by Andretti Fan
It does look like her........I think..........maybe!

AFAIK Richie wasn't there - which of course doesn't say everything!

#42 Vitesse2

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Posted 07 August 2006 - 23:05

Originally posted by Peter Morley


Presumably BRM's founder didn't either!!

I think that's a given. Not sure about his partner though (unless Catalina Park was right (in part));)

#43 Macca

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 08:14

The lady second from the right could be Pam Rudd, I think.


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#44 Ted Walker

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Posted 09 August 2006 - 07:30

Im taking a copy to Monterey.Lets see how they do. Im sure its Mrs Ginther.Phil Hill might know ???

#45 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 09 August 2006 - 07:43

the only lady in the picture that has possibility of being Marianne Bonnier is on the far left.


I can't see Marianne Ancarcrona (Bonnier) in this picture....

#46 Jerry Entin

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Posted 15 August 2006 - 20:20

The hot honey on the far right is definetly Jackie Ginther. Her daughter in law Cathy Ginther says she has the watch in the picture she is wearing. It was a present to her from Richie when they were in Italy. Ted Walker wins again! Cathy Ginther further says this is a wonderful picture that captures so much of Jackie. Thank you Allen Brown and Ted Walker for posting it. Jackie passed away in 2002 and was living with Cathy and Bret Ginther at the time.

#47 scheivlak

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Posted 15 August 2006 - 21:53

Fantastic!
So how and why Jackie and presumably Richie got there? Richie made his F1 debut in 1960.
Supporting race? Connections?

#48 Allen Brown

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Posted 15 August 2006 - 22:17

Thanks Jerry

I'm sure Ted has a print he can send to Cathy and Bret.

(One down, three to go.)

Allen

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 14:56

Yesterday's documentary about Wolfgang von Trips included an interesting footage from 1959 Monaco GP. Two girls from Ted's picture are seen here keeping an eye on Phil Hill's Ferrari; later one of them is sitting with von Trips and smoking a cigarette:

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Also there were some holidays scenes in the film:

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Jo Bonnier and Katie Molson (Moss' wife) in the background.

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Marianne Bonnier (maybe, not sure here) with Jo Bonnier and Stirling Moss.

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Huschke von Hanstein, Jo Bonnier and Wolfgang von Trips.

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Stirling Moss is filming...

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Stirling Moss and Jo Bonnier are filming while Katie Molson plays with a dog.

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Wolfgang von Trips and... er... some girls.

#50 Doug Nye

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 19:16

The only lady I would care positively to identify amongst this quartet in Jerry's photo is Lorna Berthon - wife of BRM Chief Engineer Peter Berthon - seated second from left, looking to the right.

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