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#701 exessexman

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 17:29

Andrew, interesting post for me personally in 2 respects.

The reference to the Portobello Inn reminded me of when as a youngster in the late 60s, before being old enough to have a driving licence (or even at that time oddly any interest in the nectar that the establishment apparently distributed), I was lucky enough to stay there over a couple of bank holiday weekends and walk down to a couple of meetings starring the F-3 and BSCC guys. Unfortunately my slides from those days are currently in storage and I have no access to a scanner. I presume the Portobello is still in business?

And having many fond memories of much saloon car racing from the late 60s and later periods, especially at Brands, many names spring to mind but especially the 'X0034xF' series of Escorts, the phrase 'Run Baby Run' and for some reason the exotically named local Zekia (of Cypriot origin as I recall). I haven't seen him referenced in years and of course I was about to introduce his name to the topic when I saw you had got in first. Only on TNF, of course.

Golden days and thanks one and all for the wonderful photographic reminiscences.



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Posted 03 May 2011 - 17:31

Andrew, interesting post for me personally in 2 respects.

The reference to the Portobello Inn reminded me of when as a youngster in the late 60s, before being old enough to have a driving licence (or even at that time oddly any interest in the nectar that the establishment apparently distributed), I was lucky enough to stay there over a couple of bank holiday weekends and walk down to a couple of meetings starring the F-3 and BSCC guys. Unfortunately my slides from those days are currently in storage and I have no access to a scanner. I presume the Portobello is still in business?

And having many fond memories of much saloon car racing from the late 60s and later periods, especially at Brands, many names spring to mind but especially the 'X0034xF' series of Escorts, the phrase 'Run Baby Run' and for some reason the exotically named local Zekia (of Cypriot origin as I recall). I haven't seen him referenced in years and of course I was about to introduce his name to the topic when I saw you had got in first. Only on TNF, of course.

Golden days and thanks one and all for the wonderful photographic reminiscences.



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Posted 03 May 2011 - 17:38

The 'Gardner' Escort in the pic XOO 341F, isn't. That's a Broadspeed car driven by Chris Craft, so i'm told. It's sister car was driven by John Fitzpatrick. Trofeu make a die cast of it. As far as i'm aware Alan Mann only had two Escorts, the famous one XOO349F and it's sister XOO344F. The Zekia mentioned, I hope that's right, I believe was a Cypriot from South London and was a regular on the saloon car circuit. He ran his cars under the name D Redjep's Garage. I saw him countless times at Brands back then. Great to read your memories of those great days. Pure nostalgia.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 18:03

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Terry Sanger's Camaro at Crystal Palace


Thanx richie mate - that pic increases my collection of photos of the Camaro by a whopping 33%!! Actually, never went to the Palace with that car - must have been the season before or after I worked on it.

Anyway, brilliant. :clap: :)

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 18:15

The 'Gardner' Escort in the pic XOO 341F, isn't. That's a Broadspeed car driven by Chris Craft, so i'm told. It's sister car was driven by John Fitzpatrick. Trofeu make a die cast of it. As far as i'm aware Alan Mann only had two Escorts, the famous one XOO349F and it's sister XOO344F. The Zekia mentioned, I hope that's right, I believe was a Cypriot from South London and was a regular on the saloon car circuit. He ran his cars under the name D Redjep's Garage. I saw him countless times at Brands back then. Great to read your memories of those great days. Pure nostalgia.


ZEKIA ran under the names of the garages he owned after leaving frys of lewisham......z redjep motors....and then glenview garage......d redjep motors of southend lane sydnham was his brothers garage (flash harrys) who was in no way involved with zak...

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 12:14

I notice no mention of Brian Robinson from Newcastle who used to race Lotus Cortina's way back in the early to mid 60's with Tony Dean.
He was very quick (still is today)
In the early 70's I worked for Brian & he decided to try Saloon racing again with a group 1 3.0 Litre Capri which I built from scratch for him, using the 1300 capri bodyshell as it was lighter than the 3.0 Litre We had it acid dipped to make it even lighter & welded in strenghtening plates where we thought it might need it, of course this made it under weight so Brian always used to drive to the track in a road going Capri & if we saw the scrutineers weighing the Bonnett's or Tailgates with some spring scales we used to swap over these off the road car all highly illegal of course but everybody else was doing it in those days, we got up to all sorts of tricks to bend the rules a little I have a lovely picture of the car at the Spar 24 hour race, but I'm sorry to say my computer skills are not that good to put it on here. Sadly at that race it got written off at about 12-30 that night by the co driver who got caught out by the rain that was on the other side of the circuit when we were in 6th place going very well,( a problem that has caught out many professional drivers in the past at Spa) We never rebuilt it & it got sold off in bits

Thanks Phil Bradford (jagracer)


Here is the pic referred to by Phil above which I am posting on his behalf....

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This is the Group 1 Ford Capri I built from scratch for Brian Robinson. This was taken at the Spa 24hr race I think in 1975 or 6 Lee Patterson was the co driver & he was driving at 1-0 am lying 6th when the rain caught him out on the far side of the circuit, the car was a total write off


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 13:36

It must be 1977 according to my information (which means I must have seen the car in action!), codrivers were Stuart Patterson and Holman Blackburn.

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 13:43

http://homepage.mac....s/1977 Spa.html

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 12:27

It must be 1977 according to my information (which means I must have seen the car in action!), codrivers were Stuart Patterson and Holman Blackburn.

Yep I stand corrected it was Stuart Patterson not Lee together with Les Blackburn (old age hitting the memory bank) The car went very well only problem we had was the Gearbox which we rebuilt in the pits at about 7-0 o clock in the evening, well to be really honest we actually changed the whole Gearbox which you were not allowed to do only rebuild etc but with a little bit of slight of hand we managed to do it without the pit marshall noticing that we had swapped it, Brian Robinson who was driving when he lost 3rd & 4th gears sat in the car the whole time it was in the pits while 3 of us in the pit crew did the whole job in 11 minutes 28 seconds from the time he came in till he rejoined the race. At the time of the accident we were running in 6th place it was the quickest Capri there so who knows where we would have finished

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 18:21

I first saw this racing against NGH and Jacky Ickx a longtime ago, I was amazed to see it at Crystal Palace, it looked fabulous !



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Posted 17 June 2011 - 19:16

I first saw this racing against NGH and Jacky Ickx a longtime ago, I was amazed to see it at Crystal Palace, it looked fabulous !



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Is this the AFN car raced by Vic Elford in 1967 and then green, I think.

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 19:36

Paul it is the AFN car, exactly as raced, and all the better for it too !

#713 Alan Cox

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 20:35

Here is Vic with the car at Race Retro
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And here he is with the car, albeit at a Lydden rallycross in 1967
http://www.ukposterp...mp;prod_id=5120
I note that the restored car is missing its bumper overriders.

#714 Alan Cox

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 21:45

Some snaps from 1976.
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Stuart Graham's Camaro. Can't put my hands on the programme so not sure which series this one was built for, but it looks a bit like the one he built for the 1975 TT.
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Tony Lanfranchi's prodsaloon Opel Commodore
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Unusual to see Nick Whiting in anything other than a Ford Escort

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 07:47

Some snaps from 1976.

Unusual to see Nick Whiting in anything other than a Ford Escort



Or a get-away car maybe? :rolleyes:

Lovely memories, where have all those years gone. :cry:

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 12:56

Is the Camaro the ex-Gardner/SCA car that Graham used in Superloons that year, Alan?

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 13:05

Is the Camaro the ex-Gardner/SCA car that Graham used in Superloons that year, Alan?

Pass - I don't know the history of the car and only have a vague recollection of it. These are the only photos I took of it.

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 18:30


Dont recall Stuart Graham ever having the Gardner SCA car. He did however build a a Coupe L' Avenir spec car (Group 1 1/2) for the 75 TT which he won single handed, thus giving comentators everwhere the line " first man to win TT on 2 & 4 wheels"

I assume this was the same car he campained in selected 76 supersaloon races in Allans pictures above



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Posted 21 June 2011 - 19:21

... giving comentators everwhere the line " first man to win TT on 2 & 4 wheels"

Whereas they should have said the third :)


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Posted 21 June 2011 - 22:38

... giving comentators everwhere the line " first man to win TT on 2 & 4 wheels"

Whereas they should have said the third :)

An error which is still regularly perpetrated.

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 18:33

Is the Camaro the ex-Gardner/SCA car that Graham used in Superloons that year, Alan?

Dont recall Stuart Graham ever having the Gardner SCA car. He did however build a a Coupe L' Avenir spec car (Group 1 1/2) for the 75 TT which he won single handed,


To ascertain the details of the car pictured, I have been in touch with Stuart and have received the following reply from him:

Interesting photos of the Camaro at Oulton. You are right it is 1976, and the car is the ex-Frank Gardner SCA Freight Camaro which we bought from Adrian Chambers who ran it for Frank. We did as you say run it in the Supersaloon series for a few events, but despite the 7 litre alloy motor etc. it was still too heavy to beat the much lighter and nimbler special Escorts etc. run by Nick Whiting and others. We subsequently sold the car to Rob Slotemaker in Holland who ran it for a couple of years, before he was killed. Unfortunately do not know what happened to the car - it would be highly valued now with its Gardner history etc.

During the same season we rebuilt and ran the '75 TT car to the new Group 2/5 spec in the ETC including Spa 24 hrs and Kyalami (finishing 3rd) with Reine Wisell, and also the TT, after which it was also sold to a guy in Scotland, and has also sadly disappeared, although there are always occasional rumours of a Brut 33 car being found.

Anyway a bit of history, and many thanks for photos

Kindest regards, Stuart.



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Posted 23 June 2011 - 22:19

As mad as it gets... Rufforth

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 09:45

My memory from those halcyon days is pretty good, Norman !!!

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 14:13

The Gardner/SCA Camaro was sold to Rob Slotemaker as Stuart Graham told.
He drove it in the Goup 5 series for a couple of years.
When Rob Slotemaker was killed, Dutch champ Bert Moritz, my uncle, got this car from his will.
The car was heavily modified, Bert could not drive it in the Netherlands, they stopped with Group 5 at that time.
After more than 30 years, Bert still owns the car, although it is in a bad shape.
The picture shows the latest version(1979)

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I have started a project to rebuild the car, this car must be restored!
When I have more news about the project I will post it.

Patrick Moritz


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 21:20

I wasn't sure whether Gerry Taylor had posted his website photos here on TNF. Anyway, a very enjoyable selection:



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 00:11

The Gardner/SCA Camaro was sold to Rob Slotemaker as Stuart Graham told.
He drove it in the Goup 5 series for a couple of years.
When Rob Slotemaker was killed, Dutch champ Bert Moritz, my uncle, got this car from his will.
The car was heavily modified, Bert could not drive it in the Netherlands, they stopped with Group 5 at that time.
After more than 30 years, Bert still owns the car, although it is in a bad shape.
The picture shows the latest version(1979)

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I have started a project to rebuild the car, this car must be restored!
When I have more news about the project I will post it.

Patrick Moritz

The alloy 427 is actually the correct engine for the Bob Jane Camaro that was restored a few years back. A proper factory ZL1 engine.
Jane sold it too Frank when the engine became illegal in Australian Touring Cars and a 350 was installed.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 22:48

The youtube clip below is a feature on "Baby Bertha" as driven by Gerry Marshall. At the end of the clip is a race at Oulton Park in which Gerry is beaten by a little white fastback/coupe the identity of which eludes me. Out of curiosity what is this car and who is the driver . I think it may be Alec Poole?


Edited by fredeuce, 25 June 2013 - 21:39.


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 07:00

Yes, Alec Poole. The car is a Skoda - or rather a Skoda-like body (SR110?) over a space frame. From memory, it was entered by Derek McMahon and had a Cosworth FVC engine. The yellow Mk1 Escort was Nick Whiting's 'All Car Equipe' machine - another FVC-powered device.

I think I spotted Tony Sugden (Escort), Colin Hawker (DFVW), Martin Birrane? (Capri) and several others in there too.
Ah, the memories...

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 21:45

2F-001 , Thanks for the info. Being a Skoda explains a lot . They were a bit thin on the ground down here in Oz back then hence the inability to recognize it .

No doubt this particular car was an effective little device back in the day and Alec a very capable driver.

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 07:56

I only remember seeing the Alec Poole-driven one race a few times, but it was certainly effective and appeared to be well-sorted. I have some old photos of it somewhere... I guess it was one of the first of that breed of 'Skoda' special saloons or 'super saloons'; this was about the time that competitors' emphasis changed from turning saloons into racing cars to turning racing cars into saloons… prior to this the Nick Whiitng Escort in the film (always immaculately presented) was one the top dogs.

There were several other 'Skodas' with a variety of engines up to big V8s, but the more nimble up-to-2-litre variants seemed the most effective. I think a few of them passed through various hands but I lost track of which was which. There was at least one based on an F2 single seater (as was a 'Lotus Esprit').

Also in the film clip you linked to, fredeuce…

There are a few other 'Skodas' in that film too (such as the yellow car with 'Camel' livery) but, although supposedly based on the same car they all look quite different, such was the latitude in the regulations!

The brownish Capri (No.2) with 'Adlards' livery is Martin Birrane (later of Mondello Park and Lola fame)- that had some flavour of 5-litre V8. No. 102 looks to be Doug Niven's Capri, with an even larger V8 (Chevrolet?).

The two-tone blue VW fastback (blink and you'll miss it - seen briefly behind the Poole Skoda) is Hawker's DFVW - which, I believe, was the chassis of the Alain de Cadanet 'Duckhams' Le Mans car with an ex-Tyrrell DFV.

The blue Mk1 Escort (No. 119) is, I think, Geoff Wood's very lowline car - which uses a Brian Hart BD mounted so far back in the chassis that the timing belts on the front of the block were level with the base of the windscreen.

With hindsight it's all to easy to think that these machines masquerading as saloons were a bit silly (or at least the rules that allowed them were), and the races were not always that close, but that video liked above reminds me just how entertaining they could be.

Edited by 2F-001, 27 June 2013 - 08:38.


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 16:06

Earlier in this thread (which I only stumbled onto last week) I read mentions of a rapid Anglia driver by the name of Zekia Redjep (I think that it was Zakia). I am priviliged to have known him fairly well back in the mid 60s when I had aspirations of racing a modified saloon. Somebody I knew gave me his details, and told me to go and meet him because he had a wealth of knowledge and skill in the ways of building and preparing a car for competion. To my mind, that was an understatement.

 

If my memory serves me correctly after all these years, Zak was still working in the Ford plant at Dagenham and lived on the Sidcup by pass, and had a fully equiped workshop in the back garden. Apart from his day job, he was also, and I say this with the highest regard for him, a bit of a motor racing wheeler-dealer, and hecould source almost anything that you could possibly need to get you onto the track, and if he didn't have it, he knew where you could get it. So, in my first days of building my Anglia, he was invaluable in setting me on the right path even though there was the possibility that I might be potential opponent in the future. In fact, on the day that I went testing the car for the first time at Brands, he turned up to run his eye over the car (he had never seen it before as I was based in North London), and he helped us setting the car up. A truly nice guy, and one I have great affection for.

 

About two years ago, I received a message that he now lives back in Cyprus, and owns a cart track there as well as a couple of engineering firms. Although he was then 80, he still went to work every day, after he had tended to his olive groves.



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Posted 25 September 2014 - 06:54

Hello there,

 

I found this forum yesterday! ;)

 

In this thread here I read some things about the 1970th BSCC and also about the Martin Birrane Mustang notchback.

Some of you had posted pictures, which are not available anymore!

 

Is it possible to get these pictures once again?

 

Some things about the background of my post:

In the beginning of 2014 I finished the built of a Group 2 Mustang. It got all homologated things out of the FIA form #1510. That includes also 8" and 10" wheels. For these big wheels I had to widen the fenders, like Birrane on his car 1970. Now I am fighting for a FIA HTP since about 6 months. Till now I used the 12h Sebring 1968 race as period specification but the FIA doesn´t accept this race because it  was not a FIA international event, as they say. I would need to bring any evidence out of international events in which a Mustang with the widen fenders started.

I am confused....on the one hand the flared fenders are not homologated but on the other hand Ford brought a specification catalogue in 1967 which contains flared fenders for safe tire installation (so actually this is a manufacturer´s specs after Appendix K Art. 3.3.8 a) and b) ) and also the Appendix J of 1969 and also 1971 say that in any case the mudguards/fenders have to cover the wheel.

So can anybody help me with evidence or any other things?

 

Kind Regards,

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 15:57

These are from my collection and are marked July 1963. I would appreciate any help identifying them.

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Thanks in advance, David

 

I've just found this thread and am slowly making my way through it......great thread, first time I saw a BSCC race was Croft 1970.....I also remember the Pico Troberg Red & Yellow cars at British GP in 71. I had a Wiggins Teape Brian Muir poster on bedroom wall for a while....

 

The above photos could just as easily be of Goodwood Revival Saloon Races......

 

Alex Clacher...did he live in Croft village, about 3/4 mile from the circuit? I remember being able to see [from the top deck of a bus] into a double garage of a house and there was a racing Imp 



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Posted 25 September 2014 - 18:10

 

 

 

Ian McDougall's Broadspeed Mini leads the Mini of Bob Smith 24th April 1965
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Further memories from a speccie...

 

The Bob Smith on the above photo...does anyone know if he is the same guy who ran a garage in Bowness [by Windermere]? His brother David raced an Anglia, then a GT40...David ran Rayrigg Motors, another garage showroom in Bowness. I remember going with Dad to Bob's garage in the early 60s [I'd be aged 8 or 9] and seeing a race Mini in the workshop.

Mistakenly, I thought Bob switched to an Elan after that but I was wrong.....just that I'd been at a '64 hillclimb where Dad, Bob and that Elan were competing and over the years I ended up thinking it was Bob's Elan, it wasn't [only when I bought some old Autosports that included that hillclimb report did I realise the Elan was driven by someone else]. My mistake probably compounded by his brother, David, getting a GT40, so I assumed Bob would be into sports/GT cars as well....  

 

No mention of Roger Williamson who I believe was quite successful in an Anglia before he switched to FFord / F3. I read a Motor Sport feature on Dave Brodie in the past couple of years, he said he didn't mind being beaten by Roger as he was a lovely guy.

 

Anyone remember CCC, especially the Sept or Oct 71 issue?  They had a competition based on the OSRAM-GEC Saloon Championship.....4 photos of cars on different corners, underneath were 4 circuit diagrams....you had to say photo A was circuit C or whatever and ring the corner...then complete the slogan "I fit Osram headlights to my car because....". The prize being an all-expenses paid trip to watch the 72 Monte Carlo Rally. Now bearing in mind, I was still at school and couldn't drive [legally, I hadn't taken my test] let alone own a car, it was quite a surprise to receive a letter saying I'd won. Just shows what a petrol head I was then !! :drunk:

 

1974/75, BSCC race(s) at Mallory....probably the opening March International......I marshalled there, having hitched from Nottingham [where I was a student]...was walking out of the circuit afterwards, still with my armband on.....and John Hine stopped and gave me a lift. He'd raced his Dolomite that day. Many Thanks again John, if you happen to be reading this.... 



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Posted 25 September 2014 - 19:58

 

The above photos could just as easily be of Goodwood Revival Saloon Races......

I don't think so, Phil - the Zodiac is actually exhibiting some body roll!



#736 Frank de Jong

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 21:05

July 20 1963, British GP support race at Silverstone, see http://www.touringca...erstone GP.html

The Zodiac is driven by Alan Mann.

I'd love to show the picture on my site. Copyright holder, please let me know  :stoned:


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 09:07

Interesting that back in those unequal, pre-bra burning days, there no less than four female drivers in the entry.

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 23:09



 

 

 The Bob Smith on the above photo...does anyone know if he is the same guy who ran a garage in Bowness [by Windermere]? 

 

Indeed it is. He had the occassional drive for the Vita team aswell in Minis and was no slouch, though he did blot his copybook when he put one of their cars in the lake at Oulton. Paddy Hopkirk commented that it still had the tide mark across the headlining when he raced it a couple of weeks later!

 

The green Mini Cooper that was restored in the 'For The Love Of Cars' series recently was originally modified by Bob using Downton parts..

 

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Incidentally , I was please to hear that Ian McDougal's daughter is very proud to have that lovely Eddie Whitham photo framed on her wall at home. Well she does now! ;-)


Edited by Morris S, 28 September 2014 - 23:17.