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#101 BRG

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Posted 01 September 2006 - 15:02

What IS the first car on the left hand side of the track? I keep thinking that it's a Renault R8, but that seems unlikely?

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#102 doc knutsen

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Posted 01 September 2006 - 15:44

Originally posted by BRG
What IS the first car on the left hand side of the track? I keep thinking that it's a Renault R8, but that seems unlikely?


The green and white one? It is a car made not a million miles from Linwood.. :clap:

#103 Twin Window

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Posted 01 September 2006 - 21:24

Originally posted by Jeremy Jackson

The big Escort is Doug Niven's Boss Escort, if my powers of observation are still OK

Yep, I think you're correct - it's Niven's Border Reivers Escort.

Originally posted by BRG

What IS the first car on the left hand side of the track?

The one on the far side? It's a Hillman Imp, isn't it?

#104 275 GTB-4

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Posted 01 September 2006 - 23:01

Originally posted by Twin Window
Nice one, Tony! You can access it here. Great action shots of the Lotus Cortinas, Galaxies, Anglias and Minis - including one extrememly lucky driver...

A pretty useless pic I took at Mallory in 1973, I think, 1973; NO SUCH THING HERE TWINNY!!!!

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Is that a Vauxhall leading the pack :blush: :love:

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Posted 01 September 2006 - 23:28

It's a Firenza, judging by the roofline.

#106 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 02 September 2006 - 09:18

Doug Niven brought his escort to Mondello on one occassion only to fail scrutiny , the scrutes didnt warm to the steering system , so he had to return home without a race.

#107 Alan Cox

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Posted 03 September 2006 - 18:05

Richard Lloyd's Camaro leads Dave Matthews' Capri. Prodsaloons 1972
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#108 Frank de Jong

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 20:20

Pictures of the 1970-1973 period are on my site now. Thank you all.

#109 Twin Window

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 20:34

Frank, I think some of the links might need looking at - 1972 didn't work properly for me, as an example.

I'll PM you about another matter. :)

#110 Frank de Jong

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 20:58

Could you elaborate a little on 1972? Everything seems fine here...

#111 David Lawson

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 08:34

Originally posted by Frank de Jong
Now that I'm researching the BSCC 1967-1973 I see a remarkable difference between these two pictures. Both are from 1972, I'm sure, but on David's picture the mk2 Camaro doesn't have the SCA sponsorship (yet?). I suppose Twinny's picture is from the GP support race allright, but David's seems to be earlier in the season. Anyone?


Apologies for not seeing this before. I've checked my slide of Frank Gardner and fortunately it is a card framed Kodachrome with an APR 72 date stamp so it confirms it must have been the Race of Champions meeting.

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#112 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 09:12

Bring those days back! I miss proper special saloons.
The black Anglia in Twinny's Mallory start shot is probably Graham Goode. I painted a pic of it on his montage I did for him. Gerry 'swish' Taylor ( A regular poster at the other place..) had the white/yellow/black 'Swish' Anglia.

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 09:24

Originally posted by Frank de Jong

Could you elaborate a little on 1972? Everything seems fine here...

When I click on the Brirish GP support race link, I get taken to the Race of Champions. The Oulton Park Gold Cup link takes me to an Apple Computers page apologising that the home page [sic] can't be found! The Brands Victory Race link offers-up the entry list for that race.

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 09:32

Originally posted by doc knutsen


The green and white one? It is a car made not a million miles from Linwood.. :clap:


Almost certainly Alex Clacher's very rapid car.

#115 Frank de Jong

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 10:18

Originally posted by Twin Window
When I click on the Brirish GP support race link, I get taken to the Race of Champions. The Oulton Park Gold Cup link takes me to an Apple Computers page apologising that the home page [sic] can't be found! The Brands Victory Race link offers-up the entry list for that race.

Aha, I see. I'll correct that tonight. The links trough the championship and the races should work fine in the meantime...

#116 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 14:43

Originally posted by Twin Window


A pretty useless pic I took at Mallory in 1973, I think, 1973;

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Firstly, not useless in any way Twinny! More from this period the better IMO whatever the quality.

The third car could be Graham Goode's Anglia as I posted earlier. He raced it from 1971 - '74. I don't have a photo of the car as it was returned to Graham, only a photo of the painting I did for him ( Anglia at the very top)
http://www.andrewkit...pages/goode.htm

#117 Mallory Dan

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 15:34

Originally posted by ian senior


Almost certainly Alex Clacher's very rapid car.


Ian, I don't recall Clacher coming south too often, tho' given that Niven and Dryden were there, perhaps there was a Jock-invasion that day?

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 16:43

the orange mini in the background may be (i say may because it was such a very bright orange and pretty unusual and distinctive) also appears a couple of times in the 1968 touring cars video footage - usually at the back and must have suffered a few blows ups because theres a couple of big gaps in the turnout!

a guy i know bought it a couple of years ago, it had been stuck in the corner of a barn since the mid 70's and was still stickered up with the last race decals etc.

its a 1071 cooper s and was race prepared by john ally, and was at one point, raced and owned by gerry marshal. the owner got a stack of history and paper work with it and the car was 'as last run' unfortunatley someone had pinched most of the engine (which looked like it may have had a 8 port head fitted at some time - either way we worked out that it had been pretty highly developed - the dizzy had a novel cable mech to advance and retard the timing - presumably to help with starting!

the owner did intend to restore it as a concours road car, i told him not to be so stupid - it would be worth so much more as a racer - so he decided to restore it as a period looking mid 60's race car - unfortunatley deciding to loose the bright orange colour ):

unfortunatly the guy had to sell it quickly a few months ago (women :| ) and the car has vanished from trace.

#119 ian senior

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 08:05

Originally posted by Mallory Dan


Ian, I don't recall Clacher coming south too often, tho' given that Niven and Dryden were there, perhaps there was a Jock-invasion that day?


It was a bit outside his normal limits but he did sometimes venture south. I would have liked to have seen him race at places like Brands, I reckon he would have given the locals a nasty shock. I couldn't believe how quick that car was.

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 20:50



...Terry Sanger's Camaro...


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Blimey! :) :eek: :) Should check the TNF more often. A thousand thankyou's for this pic Twinny. :clap: I worked for Terry for a time and worked on the pictured car, but don't have a photo of it. Not one. Was a spanner-man at the 73 Spa 24 hours with that car - car finished in eleventh (trophies only given down to tenth place :( ). In the next pit was another yank car (Camaro or Mustang?) driven by a Brit who later did quite well in GPs.... James Hunt.

Wonderful memories of those days.

Thanks again.

Chris.

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 21:04

Originally posted by RTH
Those late 60s & early 70s B&W pictures make the current glued to the ground cars look pretty tedious.



Just been reading through this thread as the postings were before I joined, the photos look great. I remember so many of these cars and agree completely with the comment. Loved the Fiat Abarths and the way that they would lift their front wheels whilst cornering. Question, during the Brands Hatch ETC Round 1969, the winning BMW (Hahne/Quester) was I believe Supercharged, I can recall a distinct whistle as it progressed around Brands, but was this one of the 1st cars in saloons to be "blown" in this fashion? (I am excluding the Alan Mann Escort that had a heater blower attached.....) I must admit I was rooting for the Broadspeed 1300GT and the Work's Minis as David took the battle to Goliath! :clap:

#122 Frank de Jong

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 21:38

Well, there were a few supercarged cars, like some British Falcons and the unlucky Alfa Romeo GTA-SA, but unless there was a Corvair with any succes in the states the BMW was the first turbo touring car.

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 22:01

Originally posted by Frank de Jong
Well, there were a few supercarged cars, like some British Falcons and the unlucky Alfa Romeo GTA-SA, but unless there was a Corvair with any succes in the states the BMW was the first turbo touring car.


Thanks, I thought it was supercharged :rolleyes: I do not remember the Alfa or Falcons, who drove them? Just beem looking at your site, such a mine of information! The results and photos show how great the cars looked.....see some of the photos are by the moderator of this site, it seems most members of TNF were in the same place quite often!Brian Muir's car reminded me of the sad day at Silverstone when he died after the race (1980?) :cry:

Great site Frank.

#124 Dave Wright

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 14:51

Originally posted by sterling49


I do not remember the Alfa or Falcons, who drove them?


Sir Gawaine Baillie drove a supercharged Falcon in 1966. It didn't seem any faster than the normally aspirated Falcons so I'm not sure how effective the supercharger was. Roy Pierpoint also started the 66 BTCC season with a supercharged Falcon, but subsequently removed the supercharger.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 17:13

Originally posted by Dave Wright


Sir Gawaine Baillie drove a supercharged Falcon in 1966. It didn't seem any faster than the normally aspirated Falcons so I'm not sure how effective the supercharger was. Roy Pierpoint also started the 66 BTCC season with a supercharged Falcon, but subsequently removed the supercharger.


I have seen both of these cars racing, but was not aware they were supercharged, they did not seem to go any faster, in fact the cream of the Falcons was Frank Gardner and David Hobbs(IMHO) if my memory is working ok! Having said that. I don't think the Alan Mann car was used until 1967?

Frank's car was simply an experience to behold coming out of South Bank under the Motor bridge, the cacophony of sound and the vibrations were incredible, the ground used to shake! :clap:

#126 Alan Cox

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 22:19

A Roger Ellis shot from the British GP meeting of 1973 - the remains of Dave Matthews' Capri - previously posted on another thread

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#127 Alan Cox

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 16:31

While rummaging through old slides for the Jaguar XJC thread, I thought some of these 1976 Tourist Trophy scenes might interest some of you.

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Posted Image Reine Wissel (far right) shared Stuart Graham's Camaro

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#128 Frank de Jong

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 16:47

Nice pictures. The Brut-Camaro was sold to Rob Slotemaker in 1977.
The picture of the Jag must be from 1977, Alan ;)

#129 Alan Cox

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 17:23

Now edited to replace it with a '76 photo.

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 02:39

These are from my collection and are marked July 1963. I would appreciate any help identifying them.

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Thanks in advance, David

#131 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 07:04

Wow, great shots David. July '63 must be the Grand Prix meeting surely?
Jack Sears winning in the Willment Galaxie (which he now owns).
Not sure on the other Galaxie, could be Mike Salmon in the Jaguar?
I'll point Jack towards these shots, he will be thrilled to see them.

#132 Frank de Jong

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 07:52

Can't wait for 1963 results - I'm sure they will turn up soon. 1962 is ready but not uploaded so far.
Beautiful pictures, the '76 Jaguar too Alan...

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 09:08

How badly hurt were Dave Matthews and the other drivers who took part in that terrible '73 crash? Were they able to return to racing, or at least to normal living?

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 09:37

Brodie raced again. Matthews survived

#135 Frank de Jong

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 13:42

Breaking news. I've just received the first emails on 1963 BTCC...

#136 Dave Wright

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 16:17

Wow those photos are great!

Here is a "beta" version of the results for that race. The format is intentionally similar to Franks site so he can copy the results over.

http://fp.gplegends......20round 8.htm

The other Galaxie is Sir Gawaine Baillie's. It does look like the Jaguar is Salmon's. The Zodiac is almost certainly Alan Mann's and the Mercedes John Coundley's. In the background I think is the Anglia of Anita Taylor and the Mini of Harry Ratcliffe. There is a similar photo in Autosport which shows these two in the same group as Mann.

#137 Frank de Jong

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 18:41

Dave, thanks mate! :clap:

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 18:49

Originally posted by Dave Wright

The other Galaxie is Sir Gawaine Baillie's. It does look like the Jaguar is Salmon's. The Zodiac is almost certainly Alan Mann's and the Mercedes John Coundley's. In the background I think is the Anglia of Anita Taylor and the Mini of Harry Ratcliffe. There is a similar photo in Autosport which shows these two in the same group as Mann. [/B]


These pictures are just so nostalgic.....a lot of the cars and drivers are those that I used to watch in the Brands 6 hour race, when I believe it was also an ETC round. That Mark III Zodiac looks great, loved the stripes on the Galaxies to, notice how they are making a comeback on the Fiesta ST's?
And not an alloy wheel in sight..............

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 19:15

Should I dig up some more photos?

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 19:24

Originally posted by cstlhn
Should I dig up some more photos?


:clap: YEAH! That would be great! :clap:

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 19:52

Again I will need assistance identiying these.

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Thanks to all have have been helpful, David

#142 Frank de Jong

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 19:58

Wat a wonderful pictures! :love:

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 23:04

Great pictures......I bet the guy in the Simca needed a quick pit stop for a change of underwear :rotfl: The Jaguars look brilliant but I have no chance of identifying them, the Minis are really early models, they even have overiders on the bumpers. Were they being demonstrated as "new" cars as they have no taped lights or number rondels :confused:

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 23:12

Thanks again for some lovely pictures. I can't be any help this time I'm afraid. My own research into the BSCC only covers 1963-1966 and I think the Jaguars pre-date this.

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 07:55

There was a Mini race on Silverstone GP circuit in '65 with the top F1 names taking part. Looks like it was a race to promote the Mini. A short (silent) clip of this is on the www.britishpathe.com website. Search 'Silverstone' and go to last film on page 3. Perhaps that '63 pic is a similar Mini promotion? Was that Simca driven by the French guy that would do a whole lap on 2-wheels in various vehicles as lunchbreak entertainment? I recall him doing this at the '67 British GP meeting, can't remember if it was a Simca though.

#146 Frank de Jong

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 07:56

I suppose the first three pictures are identified; are the last three part of a set? Looks like Silverstone again, the Simca would indicate 1961 or later.

#147 Alan Cox

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 08:26

I seem to recall an 850 Mini race for GP drivers at a Snetterton F1 meeting in the early 60s, so presumably they took the cars to Silverstone - possibly at the International Trophy?

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 08:42

Originally posted by Alan Cox
I seem to recall an 850 Mini race for GP drivers at a Snetterton F1 meeting in the early 60s, so presumably they took the cars to Silverstone - possibly at the International Trophy?


Do you by chance have any pics of that or other Snett meetings Alan? Always love seeing old snaps of my local track in its proper 2.7 mile configuration.

Incidentally I had a visit to my studio last week from Marcus Pye as he was up here for three days as one of the judges for the McLaren/Autosport award. ( Bliss working away with the window open hearing the World Series Renault car and Mercedes DTM blasting around in the distance, as the young drivers went through their paces - I'm only 4 miles from Snett).

I showed Marcus some of the pictures on our 'track' and 'paddock' threads, he was delighted and amazed - he loved the F5000s, many taken by yourself and Twinny. :up:

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 10:13

Originally posted by sterling49
Great pictures.....: The Jaguars look brilliant but I have no chance of identifying them,


1960 British Grand Prix. Colin Chapman, in a car lent to him by Lofty England of Jaguar, leads Jack Sears.

ACBC went on to win.

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 12:43

Originally posted by Peter Darley


1960 British Grand Prix. Colin Chapman, in a car lent to him by Lofty England of Jaguar, leads Jack Sears.

ACBC went on to win.


I could not understand why the Jaguar slide had "Chapman" written on it and now know why. I did not know he drove? I do believe the Mini race is a celebrity race since there is a slide with Graham Hill and Jim Clark in the batch. There is also a head shot of a woman in one of the Minis?
Thanks again for your help,

David