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#4651 Ted Walker

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:18

Yes that is the case Simon.I chased it years ago.

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#4652 Wirra

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:19

Hockenheim, '81.

We were all so much younger back then.

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#4653 Wirra

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 23:31

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#4654 donharper

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 07:44

Can place a few ; any errors blamed on Alzheimers.
On the rear tires (L to R):
Brian Lambert ; Derrick Jones ; Ken Sagar
Others:
Dave Stubbs ; second from left ; later TM at Stewart
Dave Heap (Spike) ; hands on rear wing
Anne (PR)
John Jackson (our right hand side in glasses)
Allan Challis next to Neil Oatley


#4655 arttidesco

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:23

Beside the well known people in the foreground, I think we can see Neil Oatley and Frank Dernie just on the right of Reutemann, Oatley still with the beard.


Was Patrick Head taking the team photograph ?

#4656 Giraffe

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:23

In 1967, is that Chris Irwin near the BRM transporter? . My remaining scraps of 1966 programme tell me that the beautiful Piper Ferrari was driven by Bob Bondurant, and that the GT40 is Eric Liddell's.

I was trying to identify some of the F3 drivers in the queue. Working from Stefan's site, #15 is Harry Stiller's Brabham, #8 is Jim Sullivan in the Promecom BT18, #11 is Jackie Oliver, and I can't see whether that's Piers Courage in #24 or Derek Bell in #34. The car in the foreground is apparently the MRS BT16 of biker John Hartle, although Stefan has him down as a DNA. Perhaps he was a DNS.


Yes John, it is Chris Irwin. The Piper 250LM appeared to be for Mike Parkes and it was Nick Cuthbert's GT40 for Eric Liddell. (See here for sportscars & F3)

http://www.racingspo...05-14-3867.html

http://www.formula2.net/F366_GB22.htm

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#4657 john winfield

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:51

Yes John, it is Chris Irwin. The Piper 250LM appeared to be for Mike Parkes and it was Nick Cuthbert's GT40 for Eric Liddell. (See here for sportscars & F3)

http://www.racingspo...05-14-3867.html

http://www.formula2.net/F366_GB22.htm


Thank you Tony. Yes, the programme confirms the Cuthbert GT40 entered for Eric Liddell, but Bob Bondurant was down for the second Piper car; Mike Parkes obviously drove it instead. I hadn't bothered to check results on that one.

Regarding the F3 race and picture, your link is Stefan's excellent site to which I refer. Whether that is John Hartle or not I don't know - I suspect it is as I think he had one or two more outings in the Brabham at around that time.

#4658 Giraffe

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 16:24

Of course back then there would be no indication for the public where the 'Historic' cars were stationed unlike the more effective signage that we get now. When I went to the 1967 GP it was just the same with the bulk of the Paddock Crowd clustering round the F1 part of the paddock and as you wandered up the Club Circuit towards the top end of the Paddock there were fewer and fewer punters.

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Here are a couple of 'Historic' cars pictured by Maurice at the 1967 GP, can anyone identify them?

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& 1969.....

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....& one not so historic from 1969

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#4659 john winfield

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 16:49

Here are a couple of 'Historic' cars pictured by Maurice at the 1967 GP, can anyone identify them?


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Not sure about the Jaguar, but I think that may be Roy Pike and his Titan in the background.


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#4660 David McKinney

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 17:13

The first pic is almost certainly Ray Potter's ERA-Delage

The D-type was owned by Peter Skidmore (true!) in 1970 but I'm not sure if he had it as early as 1967

The Brooklands Riley Nine might be Neville Farquhar's, though not the one he's raced more recently. Perhaps Alan Cox might have an Oulton Park photo from about then that would confirm the reg.no?

#4661 monoposto

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 17:18

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L to R

Tim Hargreaves ( Motorhome )
Dave Stubbs ( Skirts )
Bryan Lambert ( Mechanic - CR )
Douglas Bebb ( Spares / Drawing Office )
John Green ( Mechanic )
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Steve Prior ( Sub Assembly - Gearboxes )
Maureen Hargreaves ( Motorhome )
AJ
John Jackson ( Mechanic - AJ )
Bob Paxman ( Fabrication )
Jim Poole ( Tyres )
Alan Challis ( Chief Mechanic )
Charlie Chrichton-Stuart ( Sponsorship )
Neil Oatley ( Race Engineer - CR )
Mansour Ojjeh ( TAG )
Jeff Hazell ( Team Manager )
FW
CR

#4662 Stephen W

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:30

Here are a couple of 'Historic' cars pictured by Maurice at the 1967 GP, can anyone identify them?


The Historic cars took part in a parade at the 1967 Gp which included the ex-Seaman Delage (not sure but it may have been Ray Potter driving) as well as the Riley and the D-Type.

In 1969 there was a parade of London to Sydney Rally cars including a 'Land Crab'.

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#4663 arttidesco

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:40

....& one not so historic from 1969

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London to Sydney Car ?

I have a vague memory seeing Motorway Remoulds signage somewhere in Wales a couple of years ago.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:46

London to Sydney Car ?

Bill Bengry was car number 1 in the London to Sydney. http://www.bengrymot...ydney_marathon/

#4665 Tim Murray

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:46

The Historic cars took part in a parade at the 1967 Gp which included the ex-Seaman Delage (not sure but it may have been Ray Potter driving) as well as the Riley and the D-Type.

According to Autosport the car was an ERA-Delage driven by Rob Walker. There's a photo; the driver certainly looks like Rob and the car matches the one in Maurice Bruton's photo. I'm confused, though, because I thought the 'original' ERA-Delage had independent front suspension.

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#4666 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:25

According to Autosport the car was an ERA-Delage driven by Rob Walker. There's a photo; the driver certainly looks like Rob and the car matches the one in Maurice Bruton's photo. I'm confused, though, because I thought the 'original' ERA-Delage had independent front suspension.

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Isn't that the Seaman car which was burned out a year later when Rob's garage went up in flames? The blaze consumed his nice new Lotus 49 at the same time and led to a works car on loan for the imminent British GP, which Seppi then drove to victory.

#4667 Macca

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:01

After the fire Rob ordered a new car and was loaned a works 49 until the new 49B was delivered just before the British GP.

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#4668 arttidesco

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:38

Bill Bengry was car number 1 in the London to Sydney. http://www.bengrymot...ydney_marathon/


Thanks CP :up:

#4669 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:02

Not sure about the Jaguar, but I think that may be Roy Pike and his Titan in the background.

What a dreadfull trailer. Very expensive motorcar and 2 bobs worth of trailer!

#4670 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:04

London to Sydney Car ?

I have a vague memory seeing Motorway Remoulds signage somewhere in Wales a couple of years ago.

For me Motorway Remoulds was in Stawell Victoria. Must be a different branch!


#4671 Alan Cox

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:30

The D-type was owned by Peter Skidmore (true!) in 1970 but I'm not sure if he had it as early as 1967
The Brooklands Riley Nine might be Neville Farquhar's, though not the one he's raced more recently. Perhaps Alan Cox might have an Oulton Park photo from about then that would confirm the reg.no?

Sorry, David, none of NF's cars as early as this. Coventry Racers (not infallible) has Skidmore acquiring the D Type in 1970. Prior to that they mention J Forbes Clark of Wolverhampton from '56/'57.

#4672 hamsterace

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:42

Sorry, David, none of NF's cars as early as this. Coventry Racers (not infallible) has Skidmore acquiring the D Type in 1970. Prior to that they mention J Forbes Clark of Wolverhampton from '56/'57.


I don't have access to my records at the moment, but I think Peter Skidmore owned the car well before then. I recall a photo of my father racing against him in his Aston DBR1 in c. 1963/4.

Edit: having looked briefly on RacingSportsCars.com, the only entry for Peter Skidmore was at Silverstone on 1/5/1965 - which would tie in roughly with my comment above. Regrettably, neither car nor result are listed though.

Edited by hamsterace, 07 November 2012 - 12:49.


#4673 David Beard

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:54

Wonderful pictures that remind us older folk of a far more "inclusive" approach to the sport.

And fascinating to search the photos for faces in the background we remember - post 4601, picture 5 - Robin Rew(glasses and camera bag slung over his shoulder), Silverstone circuit photographer of the sixties and seventies.

Does anyone know where Robin is today? I lost contact with him when he left Silverstone.


Didn't he do racing things with a Reliant Sabre?

#4674 David McKinney

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 17:25

Coventry Racers (not infallible) has Skidmore acquiring the D Type in 1970. Prior to that they mention J Forbes Clark of Wolverhampton from '56/'57.

Pretty sure Forbes Clark was killed (at Prescott?) long before 1970


#4675 alansart

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 17:34

Didn't he do racing things with a Reliant Sabre?


Is this the same Robin Rew who ran Scimitars in the late 70's?


Your right David. It was a Sabre I remembered him race not a Scimitar.


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 17:49

Your right David. It was a Sabre I remembered him race not a Scimitar.



I seem to remember he produced "Rewster" tweeked Scimitars from a base at Silverstone? I alos think when he was up in our area he had a Morgan 3 wheeler.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 18:48

London to Sydney Car ?

I have a vague memory seeing Motorway Remoulds signage somewhere in Wales a couple of years ago.



Bill Bengry's car, Bill from Leominster IIRC...........

#4678 bradbury west

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 22:10

I seem to remember he produced "Rewster" tweeked Scimitars from a base at Silverstone? I alos think when he was up in our area he had a Morgan 3 wheeler.

"Robin Rew sharpens Scimitars," the ad went, IIRC
The last I heard he was down in Devon, Okehampton/Sticklepath area about 10 years ago, but did not reply to me.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 23:11

"Robin Rew sharpens Scimitars," the ad went, IIRC
The last I heard he was down in Devon, Okehampton/Sticklepath area about 10 years ago, but did not reply to me.
Roger Lund


Think he was a regular at Prescott in a AC 3000ME in the early 80s. "Rewster Boosted" (turbocharged) as the slogan went...
Never saw many 3000MEs but he seemed to have most of them in his care in one of the long-vanished 'nissan huts' at Silverstone

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#4680 Slurp1955

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 08:52

British Grand Prix, Silverstone Paddock July17th 1971

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#4681 john winfield

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 09:40

[quote name='Slurp1955' date='Nov 9 2012, 08:52' post='6016933']
British Grand Prix, Silverstone Paddock July17th 1971


Interesting pictures John. I was trying to get on with some work but you've put paid to that!
The teams really were crammed in weren't they, rivals alongside, spectators back and front? Is that Bob Dance in the foreground of the Lotus shot? Love Reine Wisell's hair.


#4682 Slurp1955

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 09:49

Everything nice and tidy, just how Bernie likes it ! JohnP :) Did those 312B's ever run with those wing end-pieces again ?

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 10:05

British Grand Prix, Silverstone Paddock July17th 1971

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Who is the Tall Blonde??? :)

#4684 charles r

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 10:12

Reine Wisell?

#4685 Stephen W

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 10:49

Who is the Tall Blonde??? :)



Reine Wisell?


Correct :up:

#4686 Giraffe

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 10:59

I really want to believe that's Ron Dennis talking to Bruce there...


This is Ron preparing Jack's Brabham at the 1968 Oulton Park Gold Cup. (As of yesterday, I have some more of Maurice Bruton's photos to sort through :cat: )

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#4687 David Beard

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 18:07

Everything nice and tidy, just how Bernie likes it ! JohnP :) Did those 312B's ever run with those wing end-pieces again ?


Great shots Slurp!

#4688 john winfield

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 19:45

Everything nice and tidy, just how Bernie likes it ! JohnP :) Did those 312B's ever run with those wing end-pieces again ?


I don't think they did John; I can't recall them at any other races in 1971. I do remember that Ferrari resurrected the B1 at some Grand Prix that year: Italy and USA for example. Then in early 1972 they tried this B2 nose:


http://users.telenet...rrari_312b2.htm

#4689 Slurp1955

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 10:23

A few more from BGP 1971, and thanks for the response. I've had to work on them using a basic Canon scanner and an American editing
suite called ACDSee Pro, which I've always found excellent.

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I was at the race with a mate who was a great Pescarolo fan, cue us bumping into Henri having a quiet smoke around the back and a brief chat with us in
pidgin franglais . Next up, one of my heroes Jackie Oliver spent twenty minutes with us at McLaren. And two minutes after the last picture here was taken,
I was standing where Jackie Ickx is, having a gander into the Ferrari. JohnP :cool:

Edited by Slurp1955, 17 August 2013 - 01:21.


#4690 Giraffe

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 11:30

Henri Pescarolo at the 1974 International Trophy. I have a feeling it is Francois Migault with his back to camera......

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John Nicholson

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The first appearance of the Amon AF1

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Maurice Bruton with Graham Hill's fated plane.....

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#4691 Barry Boor

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 11:34

Yes, it certainly looks like Monsieur Migault to me.

#4692 Duc-Man

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 11:59

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I know they were experimenting with aerodynamics back in the day. This is still the weirdest rear end setup I've ever seen from that time.
Did it not work or why was it never copied in period?

#4693 group7

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 14:34

where have the photos gone that have been posted the last few days ?

group7 in canada

#4694 Tim Murray

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 14:51

It would seem to be a problem with Imageshack. All the photos which have vanished (from this and other threads) appear to have been uploaded with them. The photos posted using other hosting sites are still visible. Let's hope it's a temporary glitch which can be soon resolved.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 15:54

Again? We had that same sh*$ about a week ago. It is an imageshack problem.

#4696 Slurp1955

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 16:59

[quote name='Giraffe' date='Nov 10 2012, 12:30' post='6018061']
Henri Pescarolo at the 1974 International Trophy. I have a feeling it is Francois Migault with his back to camera......

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Great set of shots Tony :up:




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Posted 10 November 2012 - 17:56

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I know they were experimenting with aerodynamics back in the day. This is still the weirdest rear end setup I've ever seen from that time.
Did it not work or why was it never copied in period?


I know that some Indy Cars teams used similar rear bi-wings, I believe 1983 was the most prominent year, at certain short ovals and road courses. The lower wing was much closer to the road surface though. Team Penske definitely used them, as did Pete Halsmer in the Arciero Penske PC-10; maybe Patrick's team tried them too. I'll see if I can find some photos and post if interested.

Thanks again for all the great photos.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 18:11

I know they were experimenting with aerodynamics back in the day. This is still the weirdest rear end setup I've ever seen from that time.
Did it not work or why was it never copied in period?


Looking at it with nearly 40 years of hind sight ( :eek:) I'd be surprised if the lower wing generated any down force at all given the turbulence that must have been generated from the rear wheels and bodywork.

The Lotus 80 also had a low wing and even with a cleaner airflow it was not long before Lotus added a second higher one.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 20:58


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#4700 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 22:23

I know they were experimenting with aerodynamics back in the day. This is still the weirdest rear end setup I've ever seen from that time.
Did it not work or why was it never copied in period?

That and the one slick, one wet set up too!
I have seen other pics of cars with two rear wings. I reckon some 5000s used that set up too in period.