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#701 biercemountain

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 12:45

How far does the safety car go around the track on the first lap?

Given the speed differential I'd imagine it could only go less than half way around before being overtaken by the grid.

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#702 SpartanChas

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 12:48

You mean the medical car right? Pretty sure it does a full lap.

#703 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 12:50

The medical car does a full lap. And it'd have to be like...3 times slower than an F1 car to get caught half way around it's own lap. Ie at a track where an F1 car is doing a 1 minute lap and the medical car is doing a 3 minute lap, the F1 car would be half way into it's second lap at 1:30 and the medical car would be at 1:30 half way around it's first lap.

And Singapore had race laps near 2 minutes and safety car laps near 3 minutes.

So not really going to happen. But it could if you had a medical car follow the Indycar field on a short oval.

#704 Risil

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 13:22

By the time the F1 cars reach the end of the first lap, the medical car will be a mile down the road. When the F1 cars reach that spot, the medical car will be a third of a mile further along the track, and the F1 cars will have to catch up again. By which time the medical car will have moved on further. So the medical car will never be overtaken. Not sure if Zeno had Jarno Trulli in mind driving the medical car when he came up with that one...

Edited by Risil, 02 October 2012 - 13:22.


#705 biercemountain

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 14:05

I stand corrected. I meant the medical car.

#706 midgrid

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 20:05

By the time the F1 cars reach the end of the first lap, the medical car will be a mile down the road. When the F1 cars reach that spot, the medical car will be a third of a mile further along the track, and the F1 cars will have to catch up again. By which time the medical car will have moved on further. So the medical car will never be overtaken. Not sure if Zeno had Jarno Trulli in mind driving the medical car when he came up with that one...


I read Ross's response and was ready to respond with a Zeno-related post...you're on top form as usual. :up:


#707 biercemountain

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 22:20

Oh man, I thought this was the stupid post thread… :blush:

#708 makroncommander

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:17

Q1. Which race did the safety car do maximum number of laps?
Q2. Has any race been completed behind the safety car?

#709 Burtros

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:22

Aus 2009 finished behind the saftey car.

I remember it well, along with jumping on the sofa going mental for a JB win!!

#710 SpartanChas

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:43

Safety car was out for 45% of the 2011 Canadian GP. The most in the last 10 years.

#711 makroncommander

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:39

Has the safety car come out due to rain, like recent times, prior to 2000s?


#712 Risil

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:46

Spa 1995 instantly springs to mind. And the 1997 race was started behind the pace car, another first for an F1 Grand Prix.

Edited by Risil, 03 October 2012 - 09:49.


#713 Youichi

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:38

Aus 2009 finished behind the saftey car.

I remember it well, along with jumping on the sofa going mental for a JB win!!


And that'll be the last race that does, because they changed the rule so that the SC comes down the pitlane on the last lap now, and all the cars msut stay in formation, that means you too Schumacher!

#714 superstring

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 00:18

OK, here's a really stupid question! :drunk: What's with John Button and his pink shirt(s)? Does anyone know if it's a superstition thing or does he just have a cupboard full of pink shirts??

#715 Myrvold

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 01:38

Pink is awesome! :D

#716 superstring

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 18:51

Pink is awesome! :D


So you're saying John B. just wears a pink shirt ALL THE TIME 'cause it's awesome?? :lol:

#717 scheivlak

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 19:59

Aus 2009 finished behind the saftey car.

I remember it well, along with jumping on the sofa going mental for a JB win!!

Monza 2009 finished behind the SC as well -at least for the last half lap for most of the drivers- after Lewis parked his car somewhere between the Lesmos.

#718 Fastcake

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 21:22

Monza 2009 finished behind the SC as well -at least for the last half lap for most of the drivers- after Lewis parked his car somewhere between the Lesmos.


Which also remains the most pointless safety car deployment of all time. I think the car actually went out as well.

#719 Skellen

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 21:31

What was the highest number of SC deployments in a single race?

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#720 BillBald

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 21:55

OK, here's a really stupid question! :drunk: What's with John Button and his pink shirt(s)? Does anyone know if it's a superstition thing or does he just have a cupboard full of pink shirts??


Wife keeps putting red underpants in with white shirts.



#721 Fastcake

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 22:01

What was the highest number of SC deployments in a single race?


Last years Canadian Grand Prix, fabulously won by Button of course, with six deployments.

#722 scheivlak

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 22:07

What was the highest number of SC deployments in a single race?

Don't know but Canada last year must be among the contenders with 6 SC periods http://www.forix.com...7...amp;b=0&s=0 including the end of part 1 and the start of part 2 shown here as a continuity.
Anybody knows other candidates?

Edited by scheivlak, 08 October 2012 - 22:10.


#723 Atreiu

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 22:12

Canada 07 and Fuji 07 had a ton of laps under yellow.

#724 scheivlak

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 22:14

Canada 07 and Fuji 07 had a ton of laps under yellow.

Yep, and Korea 2010!

#725 Tombstone

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 23:02

Canada '99 was 'won' by the safety car, the first time this occurred. The SC deployed 4 times during the race, which was a record at the time.

The next race to be 'won' by the safety car was the aforementioned Australia '09.

Edited by Tombstone, 08 October 2012 - 23:08.


#726 Risil

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 00:27

Although in recent years it's started from pole a few times, and at Canada in 2011 it picked up the bonus point for leading the most laps. So much wasted potential...

#727 superstring

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 01:10

Wife keeps putting red underpants in with white shirts.


Red panties, huh? Awesome! :p

#728 CrossF1

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 18:04

Why is Lotus racing with beige-black colour scheme, although they launched their car in gold-black one?

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 18:09

Why is Lotus racing with beige-black colour scheme, although they launched their car in gold-black one?

I think it is because of the colours distortion on TV. If they use beige-black, it looks gold-black on TV.

#730 superdelphinus

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 23:12

How much of alonso's current reputation is based on excellent PR?

#731 showtime

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 23:21

How much of alonso's current reputation is based on excellent PR?


And who is supposed to be behind that excellent PR? Most of the current grid would like to know.

#732 superdelphinus

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 23:24

That is the question.... Templars?

#733 showtime

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 23:36

That is the question.... Templars?


Excellent choice! He has to be the definitive F1 villain now! :love:

#734 Risil

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 00:40

Probable Majestic Twelve involvement. Neo-druids channelling telluric currents, converted into kinetic energy propelling Senor Alonso. Worth .6 seconds per lap.

Edited by Risil, 11 October 2012 - 00:41.


#735 ViMaMo

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:04

Not related to F1 but still related to it.

Why are the top speeds at the end of a quarter mile run different when the times are similar (different cars)? Does a lower/higher top speed suggest anything?

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:41

Not related to F1 but still related to it.

Why are the top speeds at the end of a quarter mile run different when the times are similar (different cars)? Does a lower/higher top speed suggest anything?

Quarter Mile List

Horsepower vs torque.


#737 eronrules

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:51

i don't know it's a SQ or not, but all these years of watching F1, i'm still in the dark on how differential setting helps ... i,e does it helps turn in or what??? a short answer will suffice though

#738 wingwalker

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 12:47

I'm sure someone who actually has any idea about technical side of F1 will explain it better, but my understanding is that differential is a device/system which controls the difference between the rate at which F1's car rear wheels spin - when a car is turning the inside wheel has a shorter distance to travel than the outside wheel, so by playing with that one can have a better cornering speed. But also, too much of a difference between the wheels will hurt straight line acceleration (I think? but it seems like both wheels should spin at exactly the same rate for optimum acceleration for me) so, as always, a balance is needed.



edit: @mods: How about sticking this thread? It might help reducing the number of actually valuable threads which only get a few responses.

Edited by wingwalker, 11 October 2012 - 12:48.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 01:39

Whats the delay in seconds if any, between the actual race and the feed we see on TV. I ask because I see guys from paddock, RE etc watching the same feed as ours.

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#740 Bleu

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 06:53

Whats the delay in seconds if any, between the actual race and the feed we see on TV. I ask because I see guys from paddock, RE etc watching the same feed as ours.


During today's qualifying I counted six seconds, comparing F1.com live timing clock and the clock on the top of the TV feed.

#741 wingwalker

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 10:23

Whats the delay in seconds if any, between the actual race and the feed we see on TV. I ask because I see guys from paddock, RE etc watching the same feed as ours.




I think it depends on a lot things, mostly on whether you have digital or analogue feed - Digital adds a good few seconds of delay. Sometimes the delay is seen on tv, when a picture cuts to someone watching a tv and you see the delay when the picture on the tv screen changes from the previous to the current shot. I think it's 1-2 seconds.

#742 superdelphinus

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 11:01

I'm sure someone who actually has any idea about technical side of F1 will explain it better, but my understanding is that differential is a device/system which controls the difference between the rate at which F1's car rear wheels spin - when a car is turning the inside wheel has a shorter distance to travel than the outside wheel, so by playing with that one can have a better cornering speed. But also, too much of a difference between the wheels will hurt straight line acceleration (I think? but it seems like both wheels should spin at exactly the same rate for optimum acceleration for me) so, as always, a balance is needed.



edit: @mods: How about sticking this thread? It might help reducing the number of actually valuable threads which only get a few responses.


That's pretty much how I understand it as well. You can use it to alter the oversteer/understeer characteristics on accelleration out of corners as well

#743 Ravenak

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 11:08

Whats the delay in seconds if any, between the actual race and the feed we see on TV. I ask because I see guys from paddock, RE etc watching the same feed as ours.


On the TV feed in the Paddock, the image and the Live Timing are delayed about one second after reality.

The feed is broadcasted on a local network via RTP.

On the international TV feed, yeah, it depends on a lot of things.

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#744 sergeym

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 16:15

Indeed - i happened to have both TV and internet stream (broadcasting the same channel) on - and TV was behind by a few seconds.

#745 Dolph

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 18:21

Who pays for what in F1:

Who pays if the driver is caught speeding in the pit lane?
Who pays when a team member makes a mistake (ie sends a car in front of another car in pitlane) and the team gets fined? Do they deduct some money from the team members wage?
Who pays for driver's boots?
Who pays for the driver's helmet?
Who pays for the driver's firesuit?
Who pays for the drivers' travel expenses?
Who pays for the car thet the driver uses to drive around in?
Who pays the drivers' phone bill?

#746 Dolph

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 18:24

Red panties, huh? Awesome! :p


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#747 Lukin

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 18:44

As superdelphinus said, the differential controls the torque applied to each wheel which gives different levels of wheelspeed.

A locked diff is where the inside and outside rear wheels travel the same speed at all times (like an Australian V8 Supercar). This is understeer city. The car wants to drive straight as the inside rear wheel is still driving forward.

The more you open the diff the more relative wheelspeed you get. I dont have much experience with diff's (especially the f1 style where you can control the locking throughout the corner), but the more you open them the more turn/rotation/yaw you get. So if the car suffers from entry oversteer lock the diff up on entry (to create understeer).

The locked diff is better in theory for corner exit as it reduces the (unloaded) inside wheel spinning.

In theory you can tune the diff for each phase of the corner (entry, mid, exit) to get the desired balance. I assume this is what they play with over the stint as the tyres go and the balance may shift. Also overnight when you cant change any physical settings, you can still utilise different diff maps in the ECU to trim the balance for the next day.

#748 Fastcake

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 18:59

Who pays for what in F1:

Who pays if the driver is caught speeding in the pit lane?
Who pays when a team member makes a mistake (ie sends a car in front of another car in pitlane) and the team gets fined? Do they deduct some money from the team members wage?
Who pays for driver's boots?
Who pays for the driver's helmet?
Who pays for the driver's firesuit?
Who pays for the drivers' travel expenses?
Who pays for the car thet the driver uses to drive around in?
Who pays the drivers' phone bill?


It depends on the team for driver fines. I have heard that some teams force the driver to pay for speeding fines - rightly so - and HRT probably doesn't even have the choice.

The rest would be the team, after all it's their sponsorship that adorns most of it. The exception is probably sponsors providing their own gear to the drivers at times.

#749 Ravenak

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:42

Yesterday, Sauber retired Kobayashi from the race. Why didn't they use the remaining race time to do some testing?

I guess there must be a minimum of interesting info to gather over one hour of running, isn't there?

Part of the answer might be that they would need more time to set up the car to a testing configuration, but still?

#750 Brother Fox

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:19

Do the teams custom make their own wheel nuts and wheel guns? Or are the wheel manufacturers involved (Enkei, BBS etc)

Since its a common bottleneck in pitstops I wonder who gets their backside kicked?