Jump to content


Photo
* * * * - 5 votes

S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)


  • Please log in to reply
3561 replies to this topic

#1801 Kalmake

Kalmake
  • Member

  • 858 posts
  • Joined: November 07

Posted 06 August 2013 - 17:37

Distance covered in the regs is counted in laps, not meters.

You can cut corners and still cover the race distance. Using the pitlane also changes the "track distance" covered. If you want to count it like that, I'm sure there is has been quite a few times the winner has covered less distance per race time than someone behind.

Advertisement

#1802 Markn93

Markn93
  • Member

  • 4,396 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 07 August 2013 - 07:35

Does development really ever stop over the summer break and when can they 'officially' re-open the factories?


#1803 DampMongoose

DampMongoose
  • Member

  • 2,024 posts
  • Joined: February 12

Posted 07 August 2013 - 08:56

Does development really ever stop over the summer break and when can they 'officially' re-open the factories?


Unless there are switches on Adrian Newey's bonce that turn his brain off I doubt it!

#1804 Coops3

Coops3
  • Member

  • 1,688 posts
  • Joined: March 11

Posted 07 August 2013 - 11:45

What are we calling the pit entry? Because I can't think of tracks where the pit entry is even with the finish line. The finish line is almost always about where the pole position slot is, give or take a few feet.


Are you sure? I think the start line is usually within a few feet of pole, and the finish line is usually near the back of the grid.

EDIT: Just read on, thanks Bleu :up:

Edited by Coops3, 07 August 2013 - 11:47.


#1805 KirilVarbanov

KirilVarbanov
  • Member

  • 866 posts
  • Joined: March 11

Posted 07 August 2013 - 14:01

Does development really ever stop over the summer break and when can they 'officially' re-open the factories?

In terms of factory - yes. But to be honest, FIA doesn't monitor the shutdown that strictly, it's rather an agreement. The most important thing is that people just need a break from the 365 days a year life in F1. Teams are only allowed to maintain their equipment including wind tunnels which is done by external companies.

The designers are getting paid quite good to afford any brain rest.

Edited by kvarbanov, 07 August 2013 - 14:07.


#1806 nordschleife

nordschleife
  • Member

  • 886 posts
  • Joined: October 00

Posted 08 August 2013 - 05:12

Enstone - the team known as Lotus - don't get a historical bonus from the FIA revenues, do they? That would be crazy. And how would any of us know since the answer is only in the Concorde agreement? Just wanted to dispel the remote possibility. That's what this thread's for, right?

#1807 Ross Stonefeld

Ross Stonefeld
  • Member

  • 60,110 posts
  • Joined: August 99

Posted 08 August 2013 - 11:24

They don't get a Ferrari-style bonus, no. And one of the issues of the new version of the Concorde is that some teams get extra money for their championship legacy. So Red Bull gets more money for being recent champions, but Enstone F1 doesn't get anything despite having a roughly equal record over a longer period.

#1808 SpartanChas

SpartanChas
  • Member

  • 861 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 08 August 2013 - 13:51

What do F1 cars smell like? I remember being told that its something thats added to the fuel.

#1809 InvertedLift

InvertedLift
  • Member

  • 266 posts
  • Joined: December 11

Posted 08 August 2013 - 14:48

What do F1 cars smell like? I remember being told that its something thats added to the fuel.

It's hard to explain, but they certainly don't smell like regular burnt mogas, avgas or avtur. Not sure exactly what else the fuel would be but it does smell different.

#1810 DampMongoose

DampMongoose
  • Member

  • 2,024 posts
  • Joined: February 12

Posted 08 August 2013 - 14:54

I've not smelt a modern F1 car but the cars of the mid 90's and prior to that had the overwhelming smell of Castrol!

#1811 InvertedLift

InvertedLift
  • Member

  • 266 posts
  • Joined: December 11

Posted 09 August 2013 - 14:52

I've not smelt a modern F1 car but the cars of the mid 90's and prior to that had the overwhelming smell of Castrol!

That's not a bad description. The last F1 cars I smelt were the 2012 cars. They smelt more like my 2 stroke 50cc minibike than any other car.

Edited by InvertedLift, 09 August 2013 - 14:52.


#1812 F1ultimate

F1ultimate
  • Member

  • 2,991 posts
  • Joined: November 10

Posted 09 August 2013 - 16:24

What do F1 cars smell like? I remember being told that its something thats added to the fuel.


I was at Silverstone this year and the F1 car smelt like something between a gokart and a commercial jet.

#1813 SpartanChas

SpartanChas
  • Member

  • 861 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 09 August 2013 - 16:44

I was there too, love that smell. I need it in my life on a regular (+ cheaper) basis.

#1814 Ross Stonefeld

Ross Stonefeld
  • Member

  • 60,110 posts
  • Joined: August 99

Posted 09 August 2013 - 16:48

Between gokart and commercial plane is a broad spectrum.

#1815 Clatter

Clatter
  • Member

  • 28,522 posts
  • Joined: February 00

Posted 09 August 2013 - 18:41

Between gokart and commercial plane is a broad spectrum.


True. The smell is much closer to avgas than petrol.


#1816 CSquared

CSquared
  • Member

  • 655 posts
  • Joined: December 09

Posted 09 August 2013 - 21:05

I remember the smells at Phoenix 1991 being very strange, unlike anything I'd smelled before around a car. This was during the fuel wars when they were burning crazy stuff like toluene, iirc.

#1817 ExFlagMan

ExFlagMan
  • Member

  • 2,650 posts
  • Joined: January 10

Posted 10 August 2013 - 08:27

I remember the smells at Phoenix 1991 being very strange, unlike anything I'd smelled before around a car. This was during the fuel wars when they were burning crazy stuff like toluene, iirc.

It was even worse a few years earlier during the turbo era - not sure what was in some of the fuels in those days but when flagging about 1-2m from the track side it felt pretty toxic - I think toluene was probably one of the more benign substances in some of those mixes :eek: - partial burnt fuel droplets ate holes in my overalls one year.

#1818 SylvesterDiResta

SylvesterDiResta
  • Member

  • 93 posts
  • Joined: June 13

Posted 12 August 2013 - 13:11

Before the pre season tests at the start of the year (at Jerez etc) are teams allowed to do straight line tests?

#1819 HaydenFan

HaydenFan
  • Member

  • 2,134 posts
  • Joined: February 09

Posted 12 August 2013 - 13:57

Before the pre season tests at the start of the year (at Jerez etc) are teams allowed to do straight line tests?


Four one day aerodynamic tests carried out on FIA approved straight line or constant radius sites between 1 February of the current year and the start of the last Event of the Championship. Any of these days may be substituted for four hours of wind-on full scale wind tunnel testing to be carried out in a single twenty four hour period.


http://www.formula1....s/8713/fia.html

Advertisement

#1820 Tiakumosan

Tiakumosan
  • Member

  • 292 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 12 August 2013 - 13:59

I remember on pre testing-ban days, Ferrari would run their cars on their track whenever they feel like. How about the other teams? Each one run on a track, or did they rent a track and run? And how often did these tests happen?

#1821 HaydenFan

HaydenFan
  • Member

  • 2,134 posts
  • Joined: February 09

Posted 12 August 2013 - 14:22

I remember on pre testing-ban days, Ferrari would run their cars on their track whenever they feel like. How about the other teams? Each one run on a track, or did they rent a track and run? And how often did these tests happen?


Well, in Ferrari's backyard they had their own test track. Made things easier to load up a truck and drive the car a few meters, or simply drive the car out of the factory than driving a couple hundred miles or so to Silverstone or much further to Catalunya, Jerez, Monza.

Here is a list from 2005 of dates and results

http://www.gpupdate....-test-calendar/

Up to Monaco-ish, it was a weekly deal, then became more bi-weekly as the schedule continued into the season.

#1822 SylvesterDiResta

SylvesterDiResta
  • Member

  • 93 posts
  • Joined: June 13

Posted 12 August 2013 - 16:42

Ah, thank you!

#1823 Risil

Risil
  • Member

  • 17,681 posts
  • Joined: February 07

Posted 12 August 2013 - 17:45

Here is a list from 2005 of dates and results


Lot of good it did them

#1824 Tiakumosan

Tiakumosan
  • Member

  • 292 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 13 August 2013 - 20:30

Well, in Ferrari's backyard they had their own test track. Made things easier to load up a truck and drive the car a few meters, or simply drive the car out of the factory than driving a couple hundred miles or so to Silverstone or much further to Catalunya, Jerez, Monza.

Here is a list from 2005 of dates and results

http://www.gpupdate....-test-calendar/

Up to Monaco-ish, it was a weekly deal, then became more bi-weekly as the schedule continued into the season.


:up: :up:

#1825 F1ultimate

F1ultimate
  • Member

  • 2,991 posts
  • Joined: November 10

Posted 13 August 2013 - 21:39

My lord that's a lot of testing. :eek: :eek:

No wonder it was banned.

#1826 scheivlak

scheivlak
  • Member

  • 12,785 posts
  • Joined: August 01

Posted 13 August 2013 - 22:09

I remember on pre testing-ban days, Ferrari would run their cars on their track whenever they feel like. How about the other teams? Each one run on a track, or did they rent a track and run? And how often did these tests happen?

In 2004 Luca Badoer (remember him?) had no less than 83 test days, and in 2005 he had 79. Another Ferrari driver, Marc Gene was the next busiest man in 2005 with 47 test days. Gene was the busiest man in 2003 with 75 test days ahead of Badoer with 49, Montoya (Williams) with 47 and Webber (Jaguar) 46.

In 2006 McLaren's Pedro de la Rosa was the busiest test driver with 54 days, ahead of e.g. Heikki Kovalainen (Renault) 47 and Michael Schumacher 45 days.

Together the teams drove more than 300.000 kms just in testing each year in that era, and even 411.012 kms in 2006 http://www.forix.com...pt.php?l=0&d=90

#1827 kenkip

kenkip
  • Member

  • 506 posts
  • Joined: November 12

Posted 14 August 2013 - 17:03

Where is the drinks bottle ffor the drivers located?And how is it connected?

#1828 Ross Stonefeld

Ross Stonefeld
  • Member

  • 60,110 posts
  • Joined: August 99

Posted 14 August 2013 - 17:25

It's a little pouch, like a Capri Sun. It's connected to a tube that has a tiny pump and the driver presses a button that gives him a little sip. The hose runs into the base of his helmet.

I think they're mounted in the cockpit, on the inside-roof of it. Before you would get to the pedals?

#1829 kenkip

kenkip
  • Member

  • 506 posts
  • Joined: November 12

Posted 14 August 2013 - 17:37

It's a little pouch, like a Capri Sun. It's connected to a tube that has a tiny pump and the driver presses a button that gives him a little sip. The hose runs into the base of his helmet.

I think they're mounted in the cockpit, on the inside-roof of it. Before you would get to the pedals?

Thanks.Is there a limit on amount of liquid to be carried?

#1830 SpartanChas

SpartanChas
  • Member

  • 861 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 14 August 2013 - 17:47

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's only one liter to save weight. I'm wondering why the teams don't just agree to give every driver a bit more because obviously that's nothing in a 50 degree cockpit.

#1831 Ross Stonefeld

Ross Stonefeld
  • Member

  • 60,110 posts
  • Joined: August 99

Posted 14 August 2013 - 17:49

I think space is the issue more than weight. Because a decent amount is going to evaporate from sweat.

#1832 DampMongoose

DampMongoose
  • Member

  • 2,024 posts
  • Joined: February 12

Posted 15 August 2013 - 08:51

Read an article by an F1 insider (Scarbs I think) that said they only carry 1.5 litres of fluid because all they need is the same amount to replace the lost fluids. They also only use a road car windscreen washer pump to power the drink button on the wheel as Ross said...

What sounded unpleasant was that the drink is actually closer to the salty stuff you re-hydrate yourself with when you've had a bad stomach! Mmmmm refreshing!

#1833 Meanie

Meanie
  • Member

  • 53 posts
  • Joined: January 07

Posted 15 August 2013 - 09:17

Read an article by an F1 insider (Scarbs I think) that said they only carry 1.5 litres of fluid because all they need is the same amount to replace the lost fluids. They also only use a road car windscreen washer pump to power the drink button on the wheel as Ross said...

What sounded unpleasant was that the drink is actually closer to the salty stuff you re-hydrate yourself with when you've had a bad stomach! Mmmmm refreshing!


It might be somewhat hard to believe it but when you're really thirsty mate, trust me... it sure is refreshing and delicious to boot!
The human body works in pretty strange ways.

#1834 Ross Stonefeld

Ross Stonefeld
  • Member

  • 60,110 posts
  • Joined: August 99

Posted 15 August 2013 - 11:32

Yeah I used to use Dioralyte in my water bottle when I did heavy cardio/cycling.

#1835 Zoetrope

Zoetrope
  • Member

  • 1,273 posts
  • Joined: April 12

Posted 17 August 2013 - 10:16

Q: Do the teams really stop working during summer break? Is there any way for outside parties to control it?

#1836 muramasa

muramasa
  • Member

  • 4,612 posts
  • Joined: November 08

Posted 17 August 2013 - 10:21

Q: Do the teams really stop working during summer break? Is there any way for outside parties to control it?

electric bill :p


#1837 F1ultimate

F1ultimate
  • Member

  • 2,991 posts
  • Joined: November 10

Posted 17 August 2013 - 19:00

Q: Do the teams really stop working during summer break? Is there any way for outside parties to control it?


There is now way to control it. The factories might close but that doesn't mean that engineers might not have access to cloud based computer power that is not hosted in the factories. It is rumoured that Alonso has a very advanced simulator in his home.

#1838 eronrules

eronrules
  • Member

  • 3,373 posts
  • Joined: January 12

Posted 18 August 2013 - 06:42

There is now way to control it. The factories might close but that doesn't mean that engineers might not have access to cloud based computer power that is not hosted in the factories. It is rumoured that Alonso has a very advanced simulator in his home.

iRacing ??? or perhaps rFactor :smoking:

#1839 F1ultimate

F1ultimate
  • Member

  • 2,991 posts
  • Joined: November 10

Posted 18 August 2013 - 07:15

iRacing ??? or perhaps rFactor :smoking:


More like proprietary. Here is a clip of Alonso's simulator.



Advertisement

#1840 ApexMouse

ApexMouse
  • Member

  • 909 posts
  • Joined: January 13

Posted 18 August 2013 - 11:04

It runs on ISI's Rfactor Pro, which is a different coded version of the GM2 engine. The sims at the factory used to run on these.

The proper sims at the factories now are all In house bespoke jobs, with the exception of Red Bull's I believe, which is still on ISI stuff. Thats for the top teams anyways, looking at the new teams undestanding of car physics their probably using codemasters F1 2012...

#1841 g1n

g1n
  • Member

  • 884 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 18 August 2013 - 12:08

iRacing ??? or perhaps rFactor :smoking:


They all had rFactor in the past, these days probably iRacing and some still with rFactor software.

#1842 Atreiu

Atreiu
  • Member

  • 11,462 posts
  • Joined: May 07

Posted 21 August 2013 - 19:56

After reading through http://www.newyorker...complexity.html I wondered, is it possible to assess how many hours a racer like Vettel has spent in race cars + simulators?

 

Because the rest, going through data, meetings, etc, should be damn right impossible.



#1843 Ross Stonefeld

Ross Stonefeld
  • Member

  • 60,110 posts
  • Joined: August 99

Posted 21 August 2013 - 20:51

Very very few pilots have 10,000 hours of seat time. I doubt any racing driver in history has. Though with simulators they'll get a lot closer because they can do 8 hour days during the week now, whereas before if you do 120 laps of testing that's only like 3 hours. 



#1844 Kalmake

Kalmake
  • Member

  • 858 posts
  • Joined: November 07

Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:31

As stated in the article, trying to apply the 10000h rule to other fields is problematic at best. In chess there is basically no physical limit on how much you can study and practice. The number is going to be much lower for motor sports.

 

Drivers who make it to F1 have reached the equivalent of chess master level in their karting days. How many hours of seat time do they get in 10-15 years of karting?

 

Imaginary training is very important in sports where you are limited on how much you can practice in the flesh. How many hours is that?

 

I would guess the kids these days use simulators. It counts for something even if they don't have better than iRacing. In theory you could sim all day every day, but at some point there would be diminishing returns on how applicable it is on track?



#1845 WhiteSGPlayer

WhiteSGPlayer
  • Member

  • 255 posts
  • Joined: August 13

Posted 23 August 2013 - 15:26

Spotted this one on another forum:

 

When a driver crashes out, does the engine die? All the cooling systems shut down with the engine must not be good for it.



#1846 BullHead

BullHead
  • Member

  • 7,595 posts
  • Joined: May 08

Posted 23 August 2013 - 19:17

I think there's an auto cut out feature built in for various scenarios. The driver has the ability to stop it himself anyway. If the driver is not in an able state, the marshalls can cut it off, in which  situation the engine condition is irrelevant anyway.



#1847 V3TT3L

V3TT3L
  • Member

  • 1,681 posts
  • Joined: November 12

Posted 23 August 2013 - 19:34

Yes, the McLaren ECU has an impact sensor that cuts the engine after a big impact is detected.

 

Funny through, Montoya driving for Mclaren in Australia once left the track and the botton hit a track bump.

The car shut down and Monty was forced to leave the race.



#1848 sesku

sesku
  • Member

  • 288 posts
  • Joined: January 10

Posted 23 August 2013 - 22:20

What is the function of speed trap in F1? Why speed trap sometime not located at the fastest section of the circuit?



#1849 g1n

g1n
  • Member

  • 884 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:50

Just watching GP2 race at Spa, it seems GP2 cars pit in the same pit lane as F1, so how does this work then?! Do they just occupy the pit lane and not the actual garages? What about pit wall, it is all arranged for F1 teams how do GP2 people use them?!


Edited by g1n, 24 August 2013 - 23:04.


#1850 flatlander48

flatlander48
  • Member

  • 355 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 24 August 2013 - 22:43

What is the function of speed trap in F1? Why speed trap sometime not located at the fastest section of the circuit?

The function of the speed trap is to get a relative comparison between the cars. In the upper reaches of the speed range, engine characteristics as well as aerodynamics come into play. The more drag, the slower you go. I have no idea why they choose particular placements.

Added:
The speed trap at Spa was located on the Kemmel Straight. It's flat from the bottom of the hill, up to the top and down the straight. All you have to do is make sure that the trap is placed just before the braking zone for Les Combes.

Edited by flatlander48, 25 August 2013 - 14:34.